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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #27293526 - 05/04/21 07:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I confess my first grow in 4 years turned out to be total shit. A mono and four shoeboxes netted me under one oz dried before they all triched out :facepalm3: I knew the grain wasn't quite right when I spawned it but stayed optimistic against my better judgement. My agar and grain game has improved a lot since then and everything looks good this time around; four shoeboxes all looking very healthy. 5 months in with nothing to show for it feels bad but I'm almost there boys. Thanks to yall :cheers:


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294193 - 05/04/21 03:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Bud no that's definitely not directed at you. Just in general rehydrating spawn that looks like shit and spawning it will piss people off.

I honestly don't bother taking pics of spawn an share very little of what I do here because I find the private pursuit of a craft to be more satisfying than seeking another's approval of what I do. If you need that clout then you do you man. I'm just over here pulling over 30 grams out of a shoebox and playing with things I enjoy and that work easy for me.



34 dried grams 1qt spawn, 1.5 qt coir in a shitty shoebox. This is about 2 grams over my average. Imagine what it would do in a full size tub with proper fae ora tray in my martha

I know you like throwing around the word nood but I've got shitloads of composted substrates that are feeding my entire garden that would disagree.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Drboomer]
    #27294228 - 05/04/21 03:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I post on this board for two reasons, I love the shroomery, and because if I can advance another growers understanding of cultivation in the same way this place has done for me, I'll be very happy.

Clout has nothing to do with it and I think that my track record shows that.
I use that word to describe individuals who are not only new, but like to create waves when no wind is blowing. New growers are simply new growers, noobs are combative individuals that lack the experience to justify their opinionated combativeness.

None of us are payed to be here. I answer questions to help improve a community of like minded individuals. If you don't like my advice its likely because you don't appreciate constructive criticism of a technique that is less than optimal. I'm not perfect, but I try to speak about things that I know to be the case and have no issue admitting when I'm wrong or incorrect. Many people here will attest to that fact.

You literally walked into this thread and became combative. This is precisely why you are a "noob" in my mind...it was a reasonable assumption that you were referring to me when speaking about your old oat spawn being revived to "make someone mad" nobody will be mad if you succeed, brother, just so you're aware.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27290831

Peace.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294347 - 05/04/21 05:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Totally thought there was a cat in the right side of the reflection in the silver stuff.

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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: A.k.a]
    #27294352 - 05/04/21 05:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Lol, looks like a cat.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294785 - 05/04/21 10:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It may we'll be a reflection of my little tuxedo cat, he is always sitting on the shelf trying to steal the shrooms, he always tries. He got a small mushroom one time that hit the floor before I could stop him. He didn't eat it all just part of a cap. Laid on my lap meowing and purring for the next 8 hours. He never liked me before since I picked him up as a stray, now he loves me. Poor fucking guy, trys harder to steal the shrooms now. I have to lock the door.

Not agreeing isn't being combative. Just because you personally don't support a theory dosnt make it incorrect. There are many established teks on hydrating grain during the PC cycle. I believe a couple even written by our own TCs. Eatsyoualive and mudafuka come to mind immediately. Eats talks about a short simmer and then loading wet in there oat Tek and at some point in mudas bottle thread he said he wasn't worried about the grain being hydrated to the max it will get there during the PC cycle. I'll post some result next time my lazy ass gets around to doing a grain run.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Drboomer]
    #27294788 - 05/04/21 10:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Simmering and soaking are two very different things. But as you said, you do you.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294809 - 05/04/21 11:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't read all that led up to this but I've done lots and lots of half hydrated grain loaded wet. If done right, It'll absolutely suck it up during the cook.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27294812 - 05/04/21 11:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Have you ever tried to straight soak oats to hydrate, no boil, no simmer, just soak oats in water for 24 hours?


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294813 - 05/04/21 11:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

yes. Lots of WBS for 24 hours and loaded wet. Works like a charm. Trying it with wheat as we speak.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27294814 - 05/04/21 11:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Not wbs, oats.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294815 - 05/04/21 11:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I have not. I'm sure it could work though. I hate oats so I haven't tried it.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27294818 - 05/04/21 11:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Lol, thats my point. You can soak wbs, millet etc with great success. Theres people that  can barely get oats to work with a boil, I have soaked oats, wheat, etc. It "works" but it's not optimal due to the incomplete hydration of the kernel and often results in bacterial spawn.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294827 - 05/04/21 11:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone who claims great success by simply soaking large Cereal grains is either lying or doesn't know how to identify clean spawn. I have tried to achieve this numerous times and conclude that most people don't even know what clean spawn looks like.

You can't soak something as dense as oats and expect saturation before germination. It's not a thing and we all know that improper hydration is synonymous with incomplete sterilization, period.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294832 - 05/04/21 11:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm testing this now because a friend sent me a video from an edible farm talking about soaking oats.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294834 - 05/04/21 11:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I don't like doing a no heat soak for anything. Hot soak all day, fuck boiling grain.:smoker:


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27294838 - 05/04/21 11:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I know the place. I watched the videos and that guy is fermenting oats and then sopping up the excess moisture with soy hull!! Pc a 5lb bag for 2.5 hours and then inoculates with lc that looks like roofing tar. This may work for commercial Pleurotus but I'd like to see you do it with cubes.

You are a reasonable fellow, verum, and just because some noob says he saw a YouTube video that grew an aggressive species on questionable grain doesn't make it so for our purposes. I challenge any reader to soak oats and report back with their canopy of mush.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27294843 - 05/04/21 11:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Pics or it didn't fucking happen.


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27294848 - 05/04/21 11:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Understood. I doubt I'll try it with oats but I have some bags cooling now that were 24 hour cold soak with wheat. We shall see.

PS. I've seen many statements by the guy in the video that made me wonder about his knowledge. Did you see the "burninating the contams" video?


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Re: TRUE CONFESSIONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27294851 - 05/04/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

No, but I can smell bullshit a mile away. I have grown out enough spawn, across a number of species and fucked it up enough times to know precisely what good and bad spawn looks like, and how it performs, and so do you.

Fermenting oats may get you a result, but that result is guaranteed to be mediocre and thats my entire point. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong with pictures of their grow that proves this statement false.


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