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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jcm4620]
#26884017 - 08/16/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tight Lunchbox said: That's interesting. Do you have any pictures of your grows?
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jcm4620 said: i call bs sorry pics or it dont happen
oh and stammets is a fucking hack

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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Shroom Mafia]
#26884020 - 08/16/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice lookn fruits tho its a shame they e in those tubs itd be nice to see the rest of them. i just dont wanna rely on luck to have results is all open air that aint infront of a fh is a terrible idea/practice and is def not something that should be encouraged in any way but if u have an actual lab and all ss surfaces and proper vent. you may have at best a 50/50 chance but i challenge u to do even that in a kitchen or other commonly used room in the house and even pull off a 50/50 chance know what i mean
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jcm4620]
#26884029 - 08/16/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: nice lookn fruits tho its a shame they e in those tubs itd be nice to see the rest of them. i just dont wanna rely on luck to have results is all open air that aint infront of a fh is a terrible idea/practice and is def not something that should be encouraged in any way but if u have an actual lab and all ss surfaces and proper vent. you may have at best a 50/50 chance but i challenge u to do even that in a kitchen or other commonly used room in the house and even pull off a 50/50 chance know what i mean
Oh yeah, for sure. I don't recommend it, it makes way more sense to use a flowhood. I totally am all for the use of current technology and all, this was just one of my dirty secrets lol!
By the same token, people have been cultivating mushrooms for hundreds (thousands?) of years, and again techniques and technologies have become refined to a point where it wouldn't make sense to fight against their use. But, it is entirely possible.
At some point I do intend to post some grow logs and possible experiments, but literally just signed up here yesterday after years of reading and learning, with the intent of a lot more learning still to do!
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Shroom Mafia]
#26884034 - 08/16/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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cool sounds good😃👍👍
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jcm4620]
#26884062 - 08/16/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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LotKid said: And that's why i switched to glass dishes.
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jcm4620 said: are u buying premade plates???? or are u just talking about the dishes?? then u talk about the agar so i can see it either way here so can u clarify
No premade plates. It's just plates that's not sterilized. I'm guessing it's used for bacterial growth in schools and such. I really never see any bacterial og fungi growth on the plates other than what i inoculate it with though.
But when I went to buy more online, I saw that the 90mm dishes weren't sterile so l contacted the company and sure enough they weren't. 
theres your problem stop buying pre made/pre poured plates!!! and the wrong kind at that. and also for the record when you say you bought plates that werent sterile that could mean that you bought empty pitris that were not in sterile sleeves or you bought pre made/pre poured plates. to most of us that means that you bought pre made stuff meaning you didnt prepare the agar and pour them yourself but the way you worded it coulda gone either way
I'm not buying premade plates!!!!!  Just empty non-sterile plates. Idk why they sell them. I just guessed that schools might use them for bacterial growth.
I bought sleeves of empty non-antibiotic plates in which I poured my pre-mixed non-antibiotic agar.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Thomsen]
#26884070 - 08/16/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh my bad i thought u meant u were buying pre poured plates that were used for schools n shif lol my bad man glad to hear thats nit the case 👍
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Thomsen]
#26884126 - 08/17/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tweeq said: @lizardwizard I'm also in Europe and use the one piece metal lids too. I've been (re)using the same lids since the beginning, some 1.5 yrs ago without any problems so far..
What do you use as filtration?
For filtration I use a little ball of polyfill, tightly pulled into the hole in the lid. Then tape a cross on both sides with multipore tape. So in total 4 layers of mp tape and a ball of polyfill for filtration.

Edit. Added pic
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jcm4620]
#26884144 - 08/17/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: nice lookn fruits tho its a shame they e in those tubs itd be nice to see the rest of them. i just dont wanna rely on luck to have results is all open air that aint infront of a fh is a terrible idea/practice and is def not something that should be encouraged in any way but if u have an actual lab and all ss surfaces and proper vent. you may have at best a 50/50 chance but i challenge u to do even that in a kitchen or other commonly used room in the house and even pull off a 50/50 chance know what i mean
Calm down, this is confessions, not "critique my advice"
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: tryptkaloids]
#26884346 - 08/17/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You might get away with that shit for a little while, but when it comes (the green wave), its coming hard and fast... best of luck to you
I confess, I'm losing sight of the meaning of any of this...
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Caps McGee]
#26884369 - 08/17/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I confess I keep punching myself in the dick with shitty transfers. Nothing terrible, but I have satellite colonies that pop up here and there. It's fucking annoying when my plates aren't perfect.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Shroom Mafia]
#26884404 - 08/17/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroom Mafia said: I realize this confession is most likely considered heresy and liable to get me burned at the stake for the very mention of it, but have NEVER used a glovebox, SAB or flowhood. If anything, could totally see using a flowhood eventually, but am kinda old school in how I do things and have just never had the absolute need for it. I just turn off all fans and sources of air movement, mop and clean the "lab" and proceed to rip and tear.
Most of my sessions result in over 90% success rates. However I will admit that on the rare occasion things do go bad these days, they have the tendency to go REALLY bad. Even then, nothing more than 50% bad though.
If I remember correctly though, there's is mention in The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets (realizing many here may consider that book extremely outdated by the way), something along the lines of him saying that he has seen some cultivators who have extremely primitive equipment / conditions, who can obtain much success, and seeing others with top of the line equipment / conditions not do as well as the aforementioned.
Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment though!
You have more experience and nicer shrooms than I have grown in my limited experience, but F man why not just make an SAB??? I understand not buying a flow hood they are costly, but I just made an SAB for like $15 and that includes both the tub and the coffee can I used to burn the holes in the tub (I prefer fresh ground coffee so I don't have cans around). If the rare innocs are 50% contamd, and most grows are 90-95% successful, that still is a fair amount of wasted time and supplies! Do whatever works for you and makes you happy, but a 2-5% efficiency boost is a huge difference over the lifespan of your hobby. If someone making 50k a year invested 3% of their money every year they will be a millionaire when they retire. I know this is a bit different but I am just trying to illustrate that a small bit of loss/gain compounds greatly over time! I have heard of people with a 98-99% success rate using SAB and good sterile procedures. You obviously know what you are doing with growing, so why not bump your success rate up a bit?
OK, thanks for listening to my rant I will stop being an economist now.
My confession: I read a bunch of old shroomery posts about using hydrogen peroxide while growing my 1st tubs. So of course, I mixed some into my spray water. Well, I sprayed too hard or too close or too much or F maybe all of the above and of course my mycelium turned blue! Well at first I thought it was gray contaminants so what did I do? spray it a BUNCH more with MORE hydrogen peroxide water!!! At this point, I was about to throw out the tubs, but since I sprayed them more they turned REALLY blue instead of light greyish blue and I realized it was just bruising. I left them the heck alone and let them recover. It stunted them a bit, the tub was fully colonized but didn't fruit for a while. Once the mycelium mostly turned white again they started fruiting and everything came out fine! Lesson learned, ignore some really old posts and make sure to seek out advice from trusted members!
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Doc9151]
#26884496 - 08/17/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: I confess, i don't have half the excitement to be part of this community that i used to
it comes and goes. sometimes I need a break from the bickering.

I confess that the graph in your post makes me curious where you were between 2012 and 2014 that your post are flatlined?
posting to reddit instead of shroomery
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jcm4620]
#26884607 - 08/17/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: i call bs sorry pics or it dont happen
oh and stammets is a fucking hack
wow...
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LotKid]
#26884609 - 08/17/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: MrTinAZ]
#26884657 - 08/17/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroom Mafia said: I realize this confession is most likely considered heresy and liable to get me burned at the stake for the very mention of it, but have NEVER used a glovebox, SAB or flowhood. If anything, could totally see using a flowhood eventually, but am kinda old school in how I do things and have just never had the absolute need for it. I just turn off all fans and sources of air movement, mop and clean the "lab" and proceed to rip and tear.
Most of my sessions result in over 90% success rates. However I will admit that on the rare occasion things do go bad these days, they have the tendency to go REALLY bad. Even then, nothing more than 50% bad though.
If I remember correctly though, there's is mention in The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets (realizing many here may consider that book extremely outdated by the way), something along the lines of him saying that he has seen some cultivators who have extremely primitive equipment / conditions, who can obtain much success, and seeing others with top of the line equipment / conditions not do as well as the aforementioned.
Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment though!
You have more experience and nicer shrooms than I have grown in my limited experience, but F man why not just make an SAB??? I understand not buying a flow hood they are costly, but I just made an SAB for like $15 and that includes both the tub and the coffee can I used to burn the holes in the tub (I prefer fresh ground coffee so I don't have cans around). If the rare innocs are 50% contamd, and most grows are 90-95% successful, that still is a fair amount of wasted time and supplies! Do whatever works for you and makes you happy, but a 2-5% efficiency boost is a huge difference over the lifespan of your hobby. If someone making 50k a year invested 3% of their money every year they will be a millionaire when they retire. I know this is a bit different but I am just trying to illustrate that a small bit of loss/gain compounds greatly over time! I have heard of people with a 98-99% success rate using SAB and good sterile procedures. You obviously know what you are doing with growing, so why not bump your success rate up a bit?
OK, thanks for listening to my rant I will stop being an economist now.
Yeah, you're totally right about boosting efficiency and that is actually the exact reason why I made the plunge to sign up recently.
Even just this convo here is actually pushing me towards either a SAB, like you mentioned for it's easy and low cost, or better yet a flow hood. I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a flow hood tbh lol.
Not that it matters, but that specific petri came from a direct clone done in open air. It's always been something I've taken pride in, admittedly kind of stubbornly and foolishly!
I've never been a gambler, but do feel somewhat like one when doing my inoculations out in the open. Although, one thing I have told myself is that if I am capable of refining my techniques to gain a high percentage of success in open air transfers, then surely by advancing to these better technologies will have a foundation for good practices, with the hopeful target of 100% success rates. Basically forcing the employment of a high standard for operating procedures and enforcing clean habits, before relying on these technologies to make up for poor practices, if that makes any sense. But yes, it does feel like time to move on to better things!
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Shroom Mafia] 1
#26885300 - 08/17/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroom Mafia said: Yeah, you're totally right about boosting efficiency and that is actually the exact reason why I made the plunge to sign up recently.
Even just this convo here is actually pushing me towards either a SAB, like you mentioned for it's easy and low cost, or better yet a flow hood. I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a flow hood tbh lol.
Not that it matters, but that specific petri came from a direct clone done in open air. It's always been something I've taken pride in, admittedly kind of stubbornly and foolishly!
I've never been a gambler, but do feel somewhat like one when doing my inoculations out in the open. Although, one thing I have told myself is that if I am capable of refining my techniques to gain a high percentage of success in open-air transfers, then surely by advancing to these better technologies will have a foundation for good practices, with the hopeful target of 100% success rates. Basically forcing the employment of a high standard for operating procedures and enforcing clean habits, before relying on these technologies to make up for poor practices, if that makes any sense. But yes, it does feel like time to move on to better things!
Sounds good, I am sure whatever you choose will work well, your grows to work very nice! I lurked here for a couple of months before posting but I am glad I started posting, it is nice to interact with other Mycologists and to be able to ask questions. I thought about getting a flow hood also but I got an electric scooter instead lol, people told me that I needed to practice good sterile procedure a while and master it before one would do me any good. Since you have been growing longer and probably have good sterile procedure I am sure you would benefit from a laminar flow hood, but that doesn't mean a SAB would be bad. Some people told me flow hood is better, but others said it actually is not better but it is just faster so if you do tons of jars and cloning it could make things easier. It sounds like you are doing quite a bit of dishes so maybe it would be worth it for you, but at the same time, you could always start with a SAB for cheap and add the flow hood later. I have already decided I will buy or make a flow hood someday but not until I have been in this hobby at least a year and possibly many years. I am perfectly happy doing jars in the SAB but if I started doing plates and cloning more like you are very often that is when I'd look at the SAB. I have a bit of free time because of not much work due to COVID so I might even start building one now. The carpentry would be fun and cheap to build, the expensive parts are the blower and the HEPA filter and I could buy those later. I have heard people making great HEPA filters for $300-375 and if I did it like this I could spend $100-125 at a time in 3 stages to make it more affordable. Right now all my fun money is gone so I will stick with the SAB, the scooter and 25-quart All-American stovetop pressure sterilizer left me low on funds, I expected to get some more cash but then work fizzled so no such luck. Even so, I don't regret the purchases though because they give me fun stuff to do during COVID and the pressure sterilizer will last an entire lifetime, All-Americans are amazingly well made. It is important for my mental health to have fun healthy hobbies! I needed a dehydrator but couldn't afford 1 and a member here sent me one, this truly is an amazing community!
Anyways, you are welcome to PM me if you want to chat more but I don't want to keep replying in true confessions and highjack the thread by continuing to go off-topic since I don't have another confession I can think of right now!
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: jcm4620]
#26885519 - 08/17/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: lol im still confused after comin back to this but where did u get those steel sleeves at??? or did u make them ive thought about getting glass myself lately
I'm moving to all glass, have to be more careful but I like the clarity to see my work and being able to reuse them multiple times.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LotKid]
#26885523 - 08/17/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: Doc9151]
#26885525 - 08/17/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: lol im still confused after comin back to this but where did u get those steel sleeves at??? or did u make them ive thought about getting glass myself lately
I'm moving to all glass, have to be more careful but I like the clarity to see my work and being able to reuse them multiple times.
Excellent points.
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Re: TRUE CONFESSlONS - of an amateur mycologist [Re: LadysKnight]
#26885554 - 08/17/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya ive thought a lot about it myself shits expensive tho for good plates
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