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Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family
    #23949172 - 12/22/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I was doing some research on Salvia divinorum when I
found out that there were actually thousands of plants
in the Salvia genus (see Wikipedia page below).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Salvia_species

To think only one plant, Salvia divinorum, out of all
of those plants, is psychoactive, seems unlikely to me.

This got me thinking that maybe there are other plants
in the Salvia genus that are psychoactive but simply
haven't been tested yet. Not to mention, there are
probably still hundreds of undiscovered plants in the
Salvia genus.

What do you guys think? Is it likely that there is some
other plant(s) in the Salvia genus that is psycoactive?


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: Lite]
    #23949215 - 12/22/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How can we be sure those plants are truly related?  Do they know about stuff like that?


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: sunshine]
    #23949229 - 12/22/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah they do, botany goes pretty deep with phylogenetic classifications


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: sunshine]
    #23949237 - 12/22/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

some say s.splendens gives a relaxing high, but on the other note some says it does nothing.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: trees]
    #23949239 - 12/22/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How exactly do you prove it?


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: sunshine]
    #23949247 - 12/22/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fuckin genetic sequencing or something, idk exactly, I think it's pretty easy and common to trace genetic lineages with today's scientific technology


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: trees]
    #23949248 - 12/22/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I sure hope so cause it sounds hard.
I want to try salvia's relatives.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: Lite] * 2
    #23949250 - 12/22/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

.Here is some results from the first page of google: "psychoactive salvia"....


Salvia aegyptiaca: Extracts have antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia aethiopis: Aethiopinone isolated from roots has antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia africana-lutea: Water extract has antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia argentia: Reported to be similar in activity to Salvia splendens

Salvia coccinea: Smoking 1/2 gram of leaves was reported to be "calming".

Salvia divinorum: Active

Salvia dorrii: Reported to have been smoked by Native Americans and in particular the Ute Tribe for their mildly hallucinogenic effects. Also known as Tobacco Sage.

Salvia dorisiana: Leaves were described as "edible", suggestive oral inactivity.

Salvia elegans: Reported as orally inactive. Conflicting reports have been made at The Corroboree forum of oral and smoked activty. There has also been a study done in Chile reports anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects in rats from a hydroalcoholic extract.

Salvia greggii: Reported to be active

Salvia guaraniticia: Sedative and hypnotic due to its content of cirsiliol

Salvia haematodes: Sedative, possible antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia hormium(now known as Salvia viridis): Leaves and seeds make liquor more inebriating, and powdered leaves make a good snuff

Salvia lavandulaefolie: Extracts inhibit acetylcholinesterase and improve memory and cognition.

Salvia leriifolia: Leaf extract sedative, hypnotic, relaxant and antinociceptive in animals.

Salvia leucantha: Smoking the leaves is reported to increase the length of dreams - unsigned_char72

Salvia longispicata x farinacea (Mystic Spires): Smoked leaves are reported to be speedy, analgesic and aphrodisiac.

Salvia melissodora: reported to be active

Salvia mexicana: no effects from quid of 2 leaves.

Salvia miltiorrhiza (dan shen): Roots and foliage are anxiolytic and sedative due to its content of miltirone. Seeds reported to have stimulant effects.

Salvia nemorosa: Leaves and flowers reported to be analgesic when smoked, and to produce vivid dreams in addition when taken orally. The roots were also reported to be active. The Caradonna variety (sometimes reported as its own species) was found active, and the May Night variety was reported to be weak, while the Superba variety seems to be intermediate. - zombiesoul

Salvia officinalis: Leaves mildly stimulating when eaten or smoked due to their content of thujone. Greatly intensifies/alters the effects of cannabis.

Salvia sclarea: essential oil is sedative and anticonvulsant

Salvia Spathacea: Leaves analgesic and sedative, extremely similar effect to S. nemorosa.

Salvia splendens: Leaves and flowers reported to be anxiolytic or mild intoxicant when smoked. Although a study by Daniel Siebert seemed to show these effects to be placebo, it seems that some varieties ('Bonfire', 'Blaze of fire') are active and others (the Sizzler series) are not.

Salvia transsylvanica: Reported to have significant analgesic, antipyretic, antiepileptic, antiinflammatory, antiulcerogenic, as well as tranquillizing activities.

Salvia tricolor: Possibly sedative
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The earliest record is to be found in Pharmacotheon (Ott, 1996, pg. 380) "Similar diterpenes such as salviarin and splendidin have been isolated from Salvia splendens and other Salvia species (Savona et al 1978; Savona et al 1979), and these Salvia diterpenes represent a novel class of psychoactive compounds."

Others who tested Salvia splendens in various forms had varying degrees of success. While some thought that the experience was likenable to that of cannabis "less than a similar sized bowl of "Cannabis Cup Mix" but worth trying again" and " kind of being high (MJ) without the confusedness" others compared it to Benzidiazepines or anxiolytic substances "yes, definitely calming". Most of the remarks concerning tranquilizing effects were from those who used the leaves sublingually "When I took S. splendens sublingually the effect was one of emotional numbing without intellectual dullness" and "I felt a relaxing effect in my head the muscles in my arms had relaxed as well".

All of the Salvias tested had similar effects. A short time later I received in the mail a copy of Chapter 12 of "Phytochemistry of Medicinal Plants" edited by John T.Arnason et al, the chapter being entitled "Neo-Clerodane Diterpenoids from American Salvia Species" by Lydia Rodriguez-Hahn, Baldomero Esquivel and Jorge Cardenas which listed the following American Salvia species:

    S. melissodora
    S. breviflora
    S. keerlii
    S. semiatrata
    S. lasiantha
    S. madrensis
    S. splendens
    S. fulgens
    S. microphylla
    S. lineata
    S. rubescens
    S. greggii
    S. coccinea
    S. plebia
    S. gesneraeflora
    S. puberula
    S. tilleafolia
    S. rhyacophyla
    S. lanquidula
    S. urolepsis
    S. reptans
    S. farinacea
    S. lavenduloides
    S. cardiophylla
    S. thymoides
    S. purpurea.

Neo-clerodane diterpenoids are the class of chemicals of which Salvinorin A is one example. Others in this class are Splendidin and Salviarin from S. splendens, Salvimadrensis and Salvimadrensinone from S. madrensis and Salviacoccin from S. coccinea.

Other reports came in from other forums and newsgroups regarding the effects of S. greggii, S. lyrata, S. farinacea and S. guaranitica, all of them positive.

Many of the Salvias on this list have not yet been tested, to my knowledge, and while so far no one of those tested has come close to the effects of S. divinorum, all tested have been found to be worthy of further study.

One more note: A compound known as forskholin extract, isolated from Coleus barbatus (=Coleus forskholii) also in the class of neo-clerodane diterpenoids and having a chemical structure similar to that of Salvinorin A was also tested in the above series of experiments and was found to be similar to smoking the flowers of S. splendens which are considered to be somewhat stronger than the leaves but otherwise alike in effects. The feeling of "clarity" was more noticable, also.

http://www.lycaeum.org/entheogendot/TOPsalvia.html

http://www.sagewisdom.org/splendens.html

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=9820

Salvia aegyptiaca: Extracts have antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia aethiopis: Aethiopinone isolated from roots has antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia africana-lutea: Water extract has antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia argentia: Reported to be similar in activity to Salvia splendens

Salvia coccinea: Smoking 1/2 gram of leaves was reported to be "calming"

Salvia divinorum: Active

Salvia Dorrii: Reported to have been smoked by Native Americans and in particular the Ute Tribe for their mildly hallucinogenic effects. Also known as Tobacco Sage.

Salvia dorisiana: Leaves were described as "edible", suggestive oral inactivity.

Salvia elegans:
Reported as orally inactive. Conflicting reports have been made at The ********** forum of oral and smoked activty. There has also been a study done in Chile that reports anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects in rats from a hydroalcoholic extract.

i never noticed any effect from smoking it, the smoke does not taste like pineapple nor did the leaves when i ate them. - daylight
Salvia farinacea: Seems active but uninteresting. Smoking it didnt do anything special for me. Just a bit of relaxing activity. - daylight

Salvia greggii: Reported to be active

Salvia guaranitica:
Sedative and hypnotic due to its content of cirsiliol.

Smoking 1/2 dried leaf (leaves are very big) in a bong did not produce significant effects, just a placebo-like relaxation. - unsigned_char72
Salvia haematodes: Sedative, possible antinociceptive effects in animals

Salvia hormium: Leaves and seeds make liquor more inebriating, and powdered leaves make a good snuff

Salvia lavandulaefolie: Extracts inhibit acetylcholinesterase and improve memory and cognition

Salvia leriifolia: Leaf extract sedative, hypnotic, relaxant and antinociceptive in animals

Salvia leucantha:
Smoking the leaves is reported to increase the length of dreams - unsigned_char72

Smoking 200mg of plain leaf didn't seem to have any effect, but I usually don't recall dreams - entheodelic

No effect, but habitual cannabis use rules out dreams for the most part - daylight
Salvia longispicata x farinacea (Mystic Spires): Smoked leaves are reported to be speedy, analgesic and aphrodisiac - zombiesoul

Salvia melissodora: reported to be active

S. mellifera (Black Sage): No effects when smoked as plain leaf - daylight

Salvia mexicana: no effects from quid of 2 leaves.

Salvia miltiorrhiza (dan shen): Roots and leaves are anxiolytic and sedative due to its content of miltirone. Seeds reported to be stimulating.

Salvia nemorosa:
Leaves and especially flowers of the Caradonna and Superba varieties (sometimes reported as its own species) are analgesic and produce vivid dreams when taken orally - zombiesoul

analgesic (but does not alter dreams) when smoked - daylight

The roots are also active - sputnik3

the May Night variety was reported to be weak - ref?

Five grams of superba (19 fresh leaves) or snow hill (33 fresh leaves) variety had no effect when quidded and swallowed. 22 grams (9 spires) of Pink Friesland shredded in hot water, strained and drunk had no effect. - entheodelic

I chewed a quid of one spire and two big leaves (quite a bit of plant matter in my mouth) and felt nothing. Been smoking increasingly larger amounts of flowers with nothing yet - Bum

smoked 1 bowl of just flowers, with a bit of my usual dried greens smoke blend. nothing to note first round. but it wasnt a large amount. didn't weigh it either. - teeko

"Blue Hills": Smoked about .3g dried material, mostly leaves, a few
small flower pieces. Slight heart effects, "rushing" sensation, relaxation and trippy feel, opiate-like euphoria, potentiation of hydrocodone. - ethnophile7

S. nemorosa: 60-80% relief from 500-700mg/day morphine habit - Lemmiwinks

"May Night": Mild - Zombiesoul
Salvia officinalis: Leaves mildly stimulating when eaten or smoked due to their content of thujone. Greatly intensifies/alters the effects of edit.

Salvia sclarea: essential oil is sedative and anticonvulsant

Salvia spathacea:
Gives a high extremely similar to S. nemorosa at 0.3g of plain leaf. Leaves very similar in appearance to nemorosa, they also share a purpling reaction when the leaves are dried out. - daylight

Smoked flowers were awarded the two middle finger (top) award by Zombiesoul
Salvia splendens:
Leaves and flowers reported to be anxiolytic or mild intoxicant when smoked. Although a study by Daniel Siebert seemed to show these effects to be placebo, it seems that some varieties ('Bonfire', 'Blaze of fire') are active and others (the Sizzler series) are not.

Definately active, anxiolytic , sedative, emo-numbing effects from smoking some leaf. Harsh flavor and taste, flowers also active, they burn less but have more unpleasant flavor ~ mutant
Salvia transsylvanica: Reported to have significant analgesic, antipyretic, antiepileptic, antiinflammatory, antiulcerogenic, as well as tranquillizing activities.

Salvia tricolor: Possibly sedative

Salvia virgata: Considered "closely related to S. nemorosa" and possibly the "big leaved" nemorosa that Daylight found similar in effect to S. nemorosas.

"Blue Hills": Smoked about .3g dried material, mostly leaves, a few
small flower pieces. Slight heart effects, "rushing" sensation, relaxation and trippy feel, opiate-like euphoria, potentiation of hydrocodone. - ethnophile7


SALVIA MICROPHYLLA-Love the smell and taste of this one swim has been working with this herb for some time now it is active definetly not placebo effects are altered state of mind and shit looks weird/vibrant. VERY noticeable effects.

salvia greggi- pimarane diterpenoids have been isolated one is a neo clerodane diterpenoid, 10B-hydroxy-8-epi-salviarin(46)

SALVIA LEUCANTHA THE SALVIA THAT CAUSES LUCID DREAMING-The essential oil from the aerial parts of Salvia leucantha Cav. (Lamiaceae) was analyzed by GC, GC/MS and NMR spectroscopy. The oil was found rich in sesquiterpene hydrocarbons; ß-caryophyllene (13.9%), α-guaiene (12.6%), cis-muurola-3,5-diene (10.8%), germacrene D (13.8%) and bicyclogermacrene (8.7%). Bornyl acetate constituted 23.9% of the oil. This is the first detailed report on the essential oil composition based on capillary GC and GC/MS analyses.

Salvia leucantha , Lamiaceae, essential oil composition, bornyl acetate.

Salvia leucantha Cav. (Lamiaceae) has a wide distribution and is a common garden plant. Seven species of Salvia are reported to grow in the central Himalayan region of India (1) and have not been thoroughly investigated for their steam volatile components. A literature review could reveal a few reports on Salvia leucantha. The first two reports on the steam volatile components show die presence of 1,8-cineole (7.6-0.0%), p-cymene (4.0-7.2%), thujone (5.4-7.0%), linalool (9.0-10.0%), geranyl acetate (4.8-6.0%), ritrai (19.0-25.0%), citronellal (2.0%), citronellol (9.6-12.0%), geraniol (12.0-13.0%), cedrene (6.2%) and aromadendrene (6.0%) in the oil (2,3). The other three reports show the isolation and identification of salvigenane and isosalvipuberulan diterpenoids from an acetone extract (4) and triterpenes (5,6) from a chloroform extract of its aerial parts. Our preliminary examination of die essential od of Salvia leucantha indicated its composition to be significandy different from that reported earlier (2,3). We have carried out a detaded analysis of the oil, which forms the basis of the present communication.A new diterpenoid with a rearranged neoclerodane skeleton, spiroleucantholide (compound S1), along with four known diterpenoids—salvifaricin (compound S2), isosalvipuberulin (compound S3), salvileucantholide (compound S4), and salviandulin E (compound S5)—was isolated from the aerial parts of Salvia leucantha CAV.. The structures were established by spectroscopic methods, including the X-ray analysis of spiroleucantholide (S1


SALVIA FARANICEA- somewhat active effects from a extract made with isopropyl alcohol. When smoke the effects are almost identical to that of thujone

RUSSIAN SAGE (perovskia atriplifolica)

Salvia nemorosa


Salvia superba
by unknown author

This plant has been "calling out" to me for a while now. So... .2 gram was prepared for pyrolytic assay and consumed at 10:16 p.m
10:19 fluidity becomes apparent. Unlike S.d. Like S.s. and S.c. space seems no longer empty.
10:24 rug starts to melt. High and clear
10:27 music sounds far away
10:29 empty space full of energy. Two dimensional pattern becomes three dimensional
10:40 colors seem "softer" and "richer". Time slows down.
10:48 synaethesia: music is felt. Drift away on thoughts. Fall into music.
10:56 cat looks totally psychedelic
11:08 nicer and nicer
11:15 cannabis: not felt. Salvia becomes stronger.
11:18 plant tells me its name is "sue" compassion/euphoria. Want to jump for joy. Solarized. Beam of light radiates from heart.
No further notes taken.
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https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55957

.This is very interesting and deserves more research.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: Lite]
    #23949313 - 12/22/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

An undiscovered psychedelic u say?.  :strokebeard:

That's an interesting thought.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: ellomello]
    #23949314 - 12/22/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That was a really informative post. I am planning on trying the following:

- Salvia greggii
- Salvia melissodora
- Salvia dorrii
- Salvia splendens

And there are still many more plants in the Salvia genus that I will try if these do not produce any effects.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: Lite]
    #23949401 - 12/22/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Make sure you use discretion when you sample the relatives.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: sunshine]
    #23949408 - 12/22/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think the coleus plant also has trace ammounts of psychoactive compounds, you could extract it and eat it


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: trees]
    #23949614 - 12/22/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I smoked some of that, didnt get anything.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: Psychoslut]
    #23949645 - 12/22/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Needs like 100x extracted probably


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: trees] * 2
    #23949651 - 12/22/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Everything in existence is radioactive to a degree. Even us.
In fact, banana's emit positrons which is just about the coolest thing ever.

[edit] oh my god... I read psychoactive as radioactive.... :facepalm3:


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: ellomello]
    #23951656 - 12/23/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I happened to stumble upon this Wikipedia page when browsing for different Salvia plants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_venulosa

In the article, it states that Salvia venulosa is the closest known relative
of Salvia divinorum. Therefore, this plant might also be psychoactive.
Too bad there really isn't much information on the plant. I can't even find
an image online of it. Nor can I find any place that sells seeds or cuttings.


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: Lite]
    #24435882 - 06/26/17 02:15 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Which one of them do you use usually ??


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: bestsalvia]
    #24436132 - 06/26/17 07:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

i used to smoke the raw leaf that shits pretty crazy, gets you high


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: trees]
    #24436209 - 06/26/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Which one did you tried ?? :cool:


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Re: Psychoactive plants in the Salvia family [Re: bestsalvia]
    #24436242 - 06/26/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Absolutely LOOOVE me some plain leaf havent had some in a couple years since i moved from texas


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