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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23958668 - 12/26/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Plus I think we can all agree that it's much more common to find people who are burnt out on acid as oppose to burnt out on mushrooms.
I've just heard that LSD's dopaminergic qualities are what makes it more prone to psychosis and a disconnection from reality. Almost like derealization.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23958745 - 12/26/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I know mushrooms is significantly more mind altering than LSD but that's only while you're on it, by hour 4 or 5 of the mushrooms trip though you're as clearheaded as you've ever been (most of the time).

So LSD may not be as mind altering while actually on it but it is still paradoxically and ironically enough more likely to give a temporary psychosis.
So shrooms may have a more dramatic effect on your sanity during the trip but it's all fairly organized and directed.

I've noticed shrooms take you way far out there but they always bring you back, LSD on the other hand I find takes you out there but doesn't take you back where you were before. It's really hard to explain but the mind seems to recover much quicker from psilocybin even though it's a greater displacement from ordinary consciousness.




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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: acidninja]
    #23959334 - 12/26/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would say mushrooms is more about visuals honestly. To me LSD was more about perceptions and just seeing things differently not necessarily getting a whole lot of spontaneous or apparitional "visions" per say it seemed more about energies and general vibes to me. Just a very heightened awareness, very clarifying.
It's weird because even though I consider mushrooms to be more "mind altering" I still consider the LSD trip to be more mental and "thinky". It's hard to explain what I mean by that I guess but it's just the way we choose our words I suppose. 

I would say LSD is physics and psychology and Mushrooms are more biology and philosophy.
I guess that analogy or generalization implies that mushrooms inspires deeper more ontological thought whereas LSD inspires the analysis of thoughts and the machinery that runs the thought process. I learn more about consciousness from Acid and more about the nature of being from mushrooms.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23959790 - 12/27/16 04:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Back in the day, there used to be a lot of people on the forums who took mushrooms waaaay too often and in waaaay too high of doses around here. Most of them got really loopy really fast. Losing it like that can happen just as easily on mushrooms, but I think that people tend to take more LSD when they have access which probably makes losing it with LSD slightly more common. Nevertheless, it can happen with both drugs. Man, I remember some hilariously loopy posters who were doing 5-10+ grams multiple times a week.

I would also say the lysergamides are more visual than mushrooms, but that's a very subjective matter to begin with, I can see why someone would take either position depending on the dose. The visuals with the lysergamides are just so much more complex and intricate, but in terms of sheer power high doses of mushrooms match high doses of lysergamides pound for pound, but without all the intricate complexity. And in fact, I've never seen another psychedelic that could produce neon glowing surfaces exploding in rapidly changing shapes and neon colors like mushrooms can, but mushrooms are all geometric and lack the insane complexity (and arguably beauty) of lysergamide visuals. Still one could argue that the visuals on mushrooms are overall more overpowering at high doses. It's very subjective though, just depends on what kind of kind of visuals one prefers.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: nooneman]
    #23959830 - 12/27/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I do ~ 7 grams a week and i'm not impaired to any significant extent. I think that is a good cap though, any more than that and tolerance begins to build, which plays into that dragon-chasing idea with psychedelics.

3.5 every 4 days or so is a great way to stay clear headed, but still get a good dose in.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: nooneman]
    #23960276 - 12/27/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Back in the day, there used to be a lot of people on the forums who took mushrooms waaaay too often and in waaaay too high of doses around here. Most of them got really loopy really fast. Losing it like that can happen just as easily on mushrooms, but I think that people tend to take more LSD when they have access which probably makes losing it with LSD slightly more common. Nevertheless, it can happen with both drugs. Man, I remember some hilariously loopy posters who were doing 5-10+ grams multiple times a week.

I would also say the lysergamides are more visual than mushrooms, but that's a very subjective matter to begin with, I can see why someone would take either position depending on the dose. The visuals with the lysergamides are just so much more complex and intricate, but in terms of sheer power high doses of mushrooms match high doses of lysergamides pound for pound, but without all the intricate complexity. And in fact, I've never seen another psychedelic that could produce neon glowing surfaces exploding in rapidly changing shapes and neon colors like mushrooms can, but mushrooms are all geometric and lack the insane complexity (and arguably beauty) of lysergamide visuals. Still one could argue that the visuals on mushrooms are overall more overpowering at high doses. It's very subjective though, just depends on what kind of kind of visuals one prefers.




Well I've done mushrooms much more than LSD even multiple days in a row (never did that with LSD) and still only had negative mental side effects from LSD. I just think it's quite clear to most that mentally speaking mushrooms are safer and better for you than LSD. I feel that's the case with all these natural tryptamines like iboga and ayahuasca and even DMT. I've seen people eat so many shrooms overtime that they become weird or delusional and believe a whole lot of crazy nonsense about fairy realms and whatnot but they never seemed less cognitive like the people I've seen who were burnt out from acid and acid is the only one of the two that actually made me feel spacey and burnt out while actually tripping.
I'm not sure why people think LSD is just as safe mentally as mushrooms, that doesn't imply that mushrooms are perfect it just means one is more likely to burn you.

The only people I've met who thought LSD was more visual than mushrooms were people from other states. When they finally come here to Cali though and try some Golden Teachers their opinions tend to change. So it could just be the strain I'm used to. Not to mention the visuals on mushrooms are more likely to come out of nowhere, the visuals are more spontaneous and apparitional ime.
Also I disagree with what you said about LSD visuals being more complex, yes they are complex but definitely not more complex than mushroom visuals. LSD visuals seem more cartoonish and surreal to me whereas mushroom visuals seem more realistic and intricate to me, more hyperreal, more textured and more "alive".


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23960297 - 12/27/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Btw just to make this clear; I still think psychologically that LSD is very very safe and usually very beneficial. I think it's mentally safer than even weed, mushrooms on the other hand I think are pretty hard to beat in terms of safety and benefits. It's almost like they rewire everything.

From what limited research I've done mushrooms, DMT and ayahuasca (and maybe even iboga) seem to be the safest for you mentally and are the most beneficial overall.
Not trying to say LSD is bad but when compared to mushrooms it just doesn't have the same potential for achieving mindfulness and mental clarity imo.
I literally see psilocybin as a nootropic.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23960510 - 12/27/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So mushrooms are like a dirty, bad ass version of LSD and LSD is like, clean and cute? :justdontknow:


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: acidninja]
    #23960534 - 12/27/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't make any connections like that.

Mushrooms feel a lot more "clean" than LSD imo, they just happen to be more intense dose for dose. 2.5 grams of decent cubes should feel as intense (but subjectively extremely different) as 100ug of bomb LSD.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: acidninja]
    #23960551 - 12/27/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So mushrooms are like a dirty, bad ass version of LSD and LSD is like, clean and cute? :justdontknow:




No mushrooms is not the whatever version of anything they are just completely different in essence. IMO the main differences are not the effects themselves (like visuals, ect.) but the essence and the character of the drug. These drugs each have different characters, if you go to YouTube and watch the 11 minute video where Terence McKenna discusses the difference between Ayahuasca, Mushrooms, DMT and LSD you'll see what I mean probably.

It's hard to say which one feels "cleaner" because I'm not even sure what that would mean or imply, I'd say LSD is more "clarifying" if that's makes any sense and is more abrasive.
There's nothing cute about LSD in fact I think it can be more serious than mushrooms in some respects. There's something almost pythonesque about LSD and it seems more rural to me, just something about it.


Also 100ug of clean L only feels about equal in strength to half an eighth (1.75 grams) of shrooms for me.
The only thing is that I would say the 100ug would be a little more mental and the half eighth a little more visual.


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23960814 - 12/27/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I could get LSD but I'm afraid of it. I've read some stories about people selling other stuff that is similar to LSD but that can result in OD  :alert: I've also read stories about people selling low doses instead of what you are asking for
I guess it comes down to knowing the right people, and I don't...

In the end, all these problems are our goverments fault  :thumbdown:


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Re: Can't get LSD [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23962569 - 12/28/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So mushrooms are like a dirty, bad ass version of LSD and LSD is like, clean and cute? :justdontknow:




No mushrooms is not the whatever version of anything they are just completely different in essence. IMO the main differences are not the effects themselves (like visuals, ect.) but the essence and the character of the drug. These drugs each have different characters, if you go to YouTube and watch the 11 minute video where Terence McKenna discusses the difference between Ayahuasca, Mushrooms, DMT and LSD you'll see what I mean probably.

It's hard to say which one feels "cleaner" because I'm not even sure what that would mean or imply, I'd say LSD is more "clarifying" if that's makes any sense and is more abrasive.
There's nothing cute about LSD in fact I think it can be more serious than mushrooms in some respects. There's something almost pythonesque about LSD and it seems more rural to me, just something about it.


Also 100ug of clean L only feels about equal in strength to half an eighth (1.75 grams) of shrooms for me.
The only thing is that I would say the 100ug would be a little more mental and the half eighth a little more visual.




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