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Not stop. The earth is an ecosphere. A very very large ecosystem.
When we remove rainforests we are removing the earths ability to hold and clean water and to produce oxygen.
To tldr it that is one small thing that effects global temperature when it's done on a large enough scale.
Water pollution has also raised water temperature which in turn raises global temperature.
So like, I don't think we could have stopped climate change, but we could have been less of greedy dumbasses and avoid the scale of destruction of life on earth we are seeing and will see by the turn of the century.
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hostileuniverse said: Your link suggested that as part of the problem
No, it doesn't. It says low tide can cause bleaching.
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Re: Snow fell on the Sahara [Re: koods]
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hostileuniverse said: Your link suggested that as part of the problem
No, it doesn't. It says low tide can cause bleaching.
So when I asked what caused it and you gave me a link suggesting "low tide" that doesn't meant that was the answer or even part of it?
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If I gave you a list of things that cause cancer, would you think that everything on the list caused someone to get cancer?
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Cigarettes don't cause cancer.
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Re: Snow fell on the Sahara [Re: koods]
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hostileuniverse said: Your link suggested that as part of the problem
No, it doesn't. It says low tide can cause bleaching.
Let me save you the trouble,
all climate change is caused by fossil fuels and if we'd just all freeze in the winter, drive Prius's, and "conserve" (unless we are rich liberals, them we can burn all the resources we want) then the world will finally heal itself
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Re: Snow fell on the Sahara [Re: koods]
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koods said: If I gave you a list of things that cause cancer, would you think that everything on the list caused someone to get cancer?
The reasoning behind your support for the Hildabeast is becoming clear
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Partisan hack
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Re: Snow fell on the Sahara [Re: koods]
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Obfuscation
I asked, you refused to answer, instead talked in circles
What the point of staying on topic if you won't address the issues?
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Oh shit guys. New thing about electric cars I learned. Cars in general.
50% of the emission a car will ever produce comes from the production line of that car. So you may think that trading in your car for an electriic one is better for the environment, but now that you know this, you keep your gas car until it breaks down and delay your purchase Cause otherwise you're throwing in a brand new 50% emsission right off the bat on the raod.
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Patlal said: I assumed you all got the Facebook feed.... hold on
http://www.sciencealert.com/most-of-the-great-barrier-reef-above-this-line-is-now-dead
No. The Shroomery is where I get my news. That fucking sucks. But not surprising. We've known for like 30-40 years it was dying and didn't stop doing the shit that was killing it.
Reread this and 2 other articles. Apparently everyone is confusing eachother. By "above the line" they mean a certain range (not sure how large the range is) where 5% of the reef was actually still alive.
Me and koods were each half right, the white is an internal algae the coral uses to process its food. When the algae becomes sick the coral spits it out. So it is the corals insides but not its bones. It's only chance of surviving after the fact is to grow more algea. In this case, in this sample range, 5% of the bleached coral did. And now since there is so few coral remaining they're being devoured by their natural predators which severely over populate them.
Ecosystem fucks. You fuck up one thing and it is an inevitable chain reaction. Those predators are going to die too. And in turn their predators are likely to die too.
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hostileuniverse said: Your link suggested that as part of the problem
No, it doesn't. It says low tide can cause bleaching.
So when I asked what caused it and you gave me a link suggesting "low tide" that doesn't meant that was the answer or even part of it?

Low tides can cause bleaching. Low tides are not generally a problem around the world considering that sea levels are rising.
You also ignored that rising sea levels are also a cause of bleaching.
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Re: Snow fell on the Sahara [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Oh shit guys. New thing about electric cars I learned. Cars in general.
50% of the emission a car will ever produce comes from the production line of that car. So you may think that trading in your car for an electriic one is better for the environment, but now that you know this, you keep your gas car until it breaks down and delay your purchase Cause otherwise you're throwing in a brand new 50% emsission right off the bat on the raod.
Fun fact, most lies pushed by the climate change hoaxers are indeed hoaxes
Take the reef thing, not one person believes it could have been stopped but they are willing to throw away whole productive branches of industry to push their cause anyway, it's disgusting
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hostileuniverse said: Your link suggested that as part of the problem
No, it doesn't. It says low tide can cause bleaching.
Let me save you the trouble,
climate change is caused by fossil fuels
That about right?
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Patlal said: Oh shit guys. New thing about electric cars I learned. Cars in general.
50% of the emission a car will ever produce comes from the production line of that car. So you may think that trading in your car for an electriic one is better for the environment, but now that you know this, you keep your gas car until it breaks down and delay your purchase Cause otherwise you're throwing in a brand new 50% emsission right off the bat on the raod.
Fun fact, most lies pushed by the climate change hoaxers are indeed hoaxes
Take the reef thing, not one person believes it could have been stopped but they are willing to throw away whole productive branches of industry to push their cause anyway, it's disgusting
Do you work in the fossil fuel industry? You sound like a sycophant.
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Patlal said: Oh shit guys. New thing about electric cars I learned. Cars in general.
50% of the emission a car will ever produce comes from the production line of that car. So you may think that trading in your car for an electriic one is better for the environment, but now that you know this, you keep your gas car until it breaks down and delay your purchase Cause otherwise you're throwing in a brand new 50% emsission right off the bat on the raod.
Fun fact, most lies pushed by the climate change hoaxers are indeed hoaxes
Take the reef thing, not one person believes it could have been stopped but they are willing to throw away whole productive branches of industry to push their cause anyway, it's disgusting
Well, you have to try. Money should be secondary to life forms and turns out that life forms are the environment.
But the car thing I mentioned is not a hoax. Car production is extrememly polluting. Melting the steel, making the plastics, electricity needed to operate etc.
Delay buying new cars as much as you can if you're pro environment
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Re: Snow fell on the Sahara [Re: Patlal]
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My next door neighbors have a Tesla. It costs less than $10 a month to keep their car changed.
The thing about electric cars is that an electric motor is very efficient at converting electrical energy to mechanical energy. (90%) while gasoline engines only convert 20% of their chemical energy to mechanical energy, the rest is lost as heat.
Patlal, if you upgrade to a Prius and drive the average 13,000 miles a year, it only takes 10 months to cancel out the loss of making a new vehicle. Much less if you upgrade to an all electric.
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It takes roughly the equivalent of 260 gallons of gasoline to make the typical car of around 3,000 pounds, according to an exhaustive study by the Argonne National Laboratory. (And I do mean exhaustive. These guys have factored in darn near everything but the calories consumed by the assembly-line workers.) A hybrid car takes about 25% more energy than a regular car, or around the equivalent of 325 gallons because it requires more juice to make the batteries.
Whether to replace depends on how much you drive. If your car gets 32 miles per gallon, then you’re putting on only 3,200 miles a year, as opposed to the ghastly national average of more than 13,000. So if you buy, say, a plug-in Prius, which gets about 50 miles per gallon and drive it the same distance, you'd be using 36 fewer gallons of gas a year than with your old car. So it would take 9 years before your Prius will have “caught up” with your old car and saved enough fuel to offset the energy needed to make it. After that, your 18 miles extra per gallon will be pure savings in energy and emissions. But if you were driving your old car that customary 13,000 miles a year, burning 406 gallons a year, it would only take about 10 months before you’d have burned up the amount of energy needed to create a road-worthy Prius.
http://sierraclub.typepad.com/greenlife/2013/10/hey-mr-green-how-much-energy-to-manufacture-new-car.html
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Patlal said: Oh shit guys. New thing about electric cars I learned. Cars in general.
50% of the emission a car will ever produce comes from the production line of that car. So you may think that trading in your car for an electriic one is better for the environment, but now that you know this, you keep your gas car until it breaks down and delay your purchase Cause otherwise you're throwing in a brand new 50% emsission right off the bat on the raod.
Fun fact, most lies pushed by the climate change hoaxers are indeed hoaxes
Take the reef thing, not one person believes it could have been stopped but they are willing to throw away whole productive branches of industry to push their cause anyway, it's disgusting
Well, you have to try. Money should be secondary to life forms and turns out that life forms are the environment.
But the car thing I mentioned is not a hoax. Car production is extrememly polluting. Melting the steel, making the plastics, electricity needed to operate etc.
Delay buying new cars as much as you can if you're pro environment
Yes people please stop buying new cars every 5 years. It's not economically sound either.
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Sorry, I'm not gonna drive an old beater car or a "golf cart car" just so the hoaxers can feel like they are accomplishing something
Don't misunderstand, I'm all for alternative energy and the new and exciting technology that it is bringing. But don't pretend like your saving the world by buying a shitty electric car.
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See like 30 years ago they were sayying the earth is resilient enough it will stabilize itself and bounce back. And under natural conditions this is true. But the shit we've done on top of the natural climate shift is making millions of species and ecosystems unable to cope. Like our coral friends probably would have been able to adapt to warming water temperatures if we weren't also polluting the water and killing off the organisms that helped to protect the reef.
Human beings are resilient creatures too but I dunno if even we can survive if projected extinction rates and natural disasters to come are even remotely accurate. There's tons of things that are projected to happen in the next 100-500 years that could kill all of us. Some of them we have no control over. Some wouldn't be so bad if we hadn't destroyed the earths ability to self regulate.
It's surgically removing your thyroid and putting you in a sauna. Under normal conditions you'd just get sweaty. Without a thyroid you have severely limited thermoregulation. You'll overheat and die because you no longer have the ability to self regulate.
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