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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: koods] 1
#23951948 - 12/23/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Lucis]
#23952412 - 12/23/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fennario said: I am starting to think that Abrahamic religions are poison to the mind, seems like they all breed destruction.

Its monotheism that is the problem. If there is only one god then there is only one truth, one true path, one correct way... and everyone else is wrong and doomed.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Tipote] 1
#23952473 - 12/23/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're right..anti-Islam attacks don't equal pro-Christian attacks..but either way, I'm not defending them either. I think they're also fucked up people, but it's pretty clear that Islam has been doing more harm to people around the world than Christianity these days, so I find it kinda odd that it's "offensive" to mention that, but saying the same thing about Christianity is like the cool thing to do now for some reason. Especially when people like Koods joins in..he would be much safer around a bunch of Christians than a bunch of Muslims..well..unless he was in one of those Christian countries in Africa, then he'd probably be in just as much danger. They're both fucked..but Islam is worse. Simple. Even ex-Muslims say so
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence]
#23952482 - 12/23/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence]
#23952489 - 12/23/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eminence said: but it's pretty clear that Islam has been doing more harm to people around the world than Christianity these days
direct harm, or on-the-surface harm, maybe. think of all the imperial expansions that take place, often in the form of democracy or capitalism, that ruins people's way of life or routine, which are most often planned/executed by politicians who claim christianity
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence] 1
#23952498 - 12/23/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Islam is definitely the most violent form of monotheism out there right now. Its a huge problem and its scary to think that its the fastest growing religion in the world.
All monotheism is fundamentally flawed because it is based on delusion. There is no god. Prayer is just talking to yourself.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: demiu5]
#23952530 - 12/23/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That seems like kind of a reach to me..if their faith isn't part of a decision that ends up fucking someone else over it shouldn't count. If those people did those things in the name of Christianity, then it should count. Lots of people claim certain religions and barely even follow them, they pick and choose what parts of it they want to live by. A person that claims Christianity screwing someone over with a political decision is not the same as a Muslim sending their children into a crowd of people with bombs strapped to them to kill some "infidels."
Plus..it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of these Christians you're talking about are not even Christian anyway. I'm willing to bet a lot of politicians claim to be Christian because this is a predominantly Christian country, and too many people are still too anal to really accept any atheism in government.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence] 1
#23952548 - 12/23/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eminence said: That seems like kind of a reach to me..if their faith isn't part of a decision that ends up fucking someone else over it shouldn't count. If those people did those things in the name of Christianity, then it should count. Lots of people claim certain religions and barely even follow them, they pick and choose what parts of it they want to live by. A person that claims Christianity screwing someone over with a political decision is not the same as a Muslim sending their children into a crowd of people with bombs strapped to them to kill some "infidels."
and how do you know each and every one of those people are actually practicing Muslims (which Islam in and of itself is not a violent religion as people so often claim) and not using it as a guise?
how is someone sending their kid in to harm people any different from a politician sending in troops to do their dirty-work? both have been indoctrinated by a set of principles that have a result in the future and are not likely to question the orders given.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: demiu5]
#23952593 - 12/23/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Atheists will rule the world
Been that way for so long now. Obama, Merkel, Putin, every Asian Leader... Do you think any of them believe in god lol?
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i wouldn't trust "evidence" or "statistics" from a source that uses the phrase "Islamism"
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Grey Fox]
#23952684 - 12/23/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grey Fox said: Islam is definitely the most violent form of monotheism out there right now. Its a huge problem and its scary to think that its the fastest growing religion in the world.
Probably, yeh. It also happens to be the religion under most pressure right now, they are getting killed all over the world so yeh i'm sure as hell that fuels extremist interpretations of the religion. If Israel ever loses its protection from the US, watch how nasty Jewish terrorists turn (if they aren't bad enough already). Groups under pressure lash out and religion always is flexible enough to help vilify whatever BS you want to do, even if they are sins in your own religion.
Just because monotheism means one god, doesn't mean there aren't different interpretations, otherwise there wouldn't be all the sects of all the abrahamic religions. There are some sects of Islam who have already gone through a reformation, and others who are still stuck in medieval Islam. Blanket statements dont get us anywhere - except maybe the statement "religion restricts people thinking for themselves".
They are all as bad as eachother if you take a longer perspective. Just because Christians didn't have bombs hundreds of years ago doesnt mean they treated non-Christians with pats on the back or mild "political" pressure .
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: demiu5]
#23952697 - 12/23/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eminence said: That seems like kind of a reach to me..if their faith isn't part of a decision that ends up fucking someone else over it shouldn't count. If those people did those things in the name of Christianity, then it should count. Lots of people claim certain religions and barely even follow them, they pick and choose what parts of it they want to live by. A person that claims Christianity screwing someone over with a political decision is not the same as a Muslim sending their children into a crowd of people with bombs strapped to them to kill some "infidels."
and how do you know each and every one of those people are actually practicing Muslims (which Islam in and of itself is not a violent religion as people so often claim) and not using it as a guise?
how is someone sending their kid in to harm people any different from a politician sending in troops to do their dirty-work? both have been indoctrinated by a set of principles that have a result in the future and are not likely to question the orders given.
So now are you saying that Christians who commit acts of terrorism can't be assumed to be Christian?
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence] 1
#23952750 - 12/23/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know atheist muslims who would still consider themselves culturally muslim even though they don't practice. Identity is a broad thing.
just as I know atheist christians who celebrate christmas and do other culturally christian things. It depends how you define the terms really.
When the US - a largely Christian country - invades and occupy Muslim lands, regardless of whether the people involved are religious or not, its going to be interpreted by some in religious terms.
When migrants from all over the Middle East and North Africa come to Europe, regardless of their particular individual religious interpretations (be they christian, muslim, atheist etc), its going to be perceived by some in the West in only religious terms - hence you hear people say that the European crisis is a "Muslim invasion" . And it is labelled with a very particular interpretation of Islam..
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence]
#23952764 - 12/23/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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demiu5 said:
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Eminence said: That seems like kind of a reach to me..if their faith isn't part of a decision that ends up fucking someone else over it shouldn't count. If those people did those things in the name of Christianity, then it should count. Lots of people claim certain religions and barely even follow them, they pick and choose what parts of it they want to live by. A person that claims Christianity screwing someone over with a political decision is not the same as a Muslim sending their children into a crowd of people with bombs strapped to them to kill some "infidels."
and how do you know each and every one of those people are actually practicing Muslims (which Islam in and of itself is not a violent religion as people so often claim) and not using it as a guise?
how is someone sending their kid in to harm people any different from a politician sending in troops to do their dirty-work? both have been indoctrinated by a set of principles that have a result in the future and are not likely to question the orders given.
So now are you saying that Christians who commit acts of terrorism can't be assumed to be Christian?
no, i'm trying to dig to the root of your assumption that all those people committing violence are, in fact, Muslim
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Tipote said: I know atheist muslims who would still consider themselves culturally muslim even though they don't practice. Identity is a broad thing.
just as I know atheist christians who celebrate christmas and do other culturally christian things. It depends how you define the terms really.
When the US - a largely Christian country - invades and occupy Muslim lands, regardless of whether the people involved are religious or not, its going to be interpreted by some in religious terms.
When migrants from all over the Middle East and North Africa come to Europe, regardless of their particular individual religious interpretations (be they christian, muslim, atheist etc), its going to be perceived by some in the West in only religious terms - hence you hear people say that the European crisis is a "Muslim invasion" . And it is labelled with a very particular interpretation of Islam..
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: demiu5]
#23952771 - 12/23/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone's willing to admit that slaughters and other acts of terrorism in the past were in the name of religion..why can't that be true for today as well? When someone is willing to commit suicide to kill other people, and their last words are about "Allah", I don't think it's very crazy to believe that the attack was religiously motivated. Not to mention the fact that there's been some pretty solid evidence that even Muslims who don't participate in these acts really couldn't give less of a shit that others are willing to do it for them as long as they're not affected by it. Videos filmed from inside Mosques..polls being taken, etc.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence]
#23952774 - 12/23/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eminence said: Everyone's willing to admit that slaughters and other acts of terrorism in the past were in the name of religion..why can't that be true for today as well? When someone is willing to commit suicide, and their last words are about "Allah" I don't think it's very crazy to believe that the attack was religiously motivated.
i'm not saying they can't. i'm asking how you know, FOR A FACT, that these people are Muslim
again, where is your proof?
i'm not a christian, but if i go out and kill someone or some people and declare it in the name of Jesus, does that mean i am a Christian, killing in the name of Christ?
sometimes it's easier/more acceptable to act in a certain manner, under false pretenses, than it is to act under one's own beliefs
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Tipote]
#23952804 - 12/23/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just because monotheism means one god, doesn't mean there aren't different interpretations, otherwise there wouldn't be all the sects of all the abrahamic religions...
Blanket statements dont get us anywhere...
They are all as bad as eachother if you take a longer perspective.
Try to be more consistent in your thinking. I think you missed my point: all monotheistic religions are problematic because they purport to have the absolute authority on truth and untruth... and yet they are all based on a delusion. When followers of a monotheistic religion carry out violence in the name of their one god it is abhorrent.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: demiu5]
#23952808 - 12/23/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How would someone know for a fact then in your opinion? How would you know a peaceful person who claims to be Muslim is actually Muslim and not just comparable to your average Christian who really doesn't know much about Christianity's past? If you think yelling "Allahu Akbar" before blowing dozens of people up in a suicide bombing isn't enough to make you believe they're religiously motivated then I don't see how you can counter me by mentioning Christian terrorists either. Sorry, but their "Taqiyya" practice is enough to make me suspicious of them all who claim to truly follow Islam. I mean, they should really do away with that whole thing if they want people to start trusting the peaceful ones more.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence] 1
#23952814 - 12/23/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eminence said: Everyone's willing to admit that slaughters and other acts of terrorism in the past were in the name of religion..why can't that be true for today as well?
it is! but who decides what is religious? Mental people forever have been interpreting Gods will and deciding that one act is religious and the other not. and as I said in my previous post, even if people weren't religious it can be seen as an act from a religious entity - the church or whatever.
religion and politics intertwine. When the Pope ordered the crusades, he was thinking of his own political power. When the peasants of Europe went to fight, they were the more religious ones. They went because the nobles were more concerned about politics rather than religion and didnt want to go at first.
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When someone is willing to commit suicide, and their last words are about "Allah" I don't think it's very crazy to believe that the attack was religiously motivated.
no I dont think its very crazy to think that either. But my point is that political pressures affect religions. When it happens that you have it written in your holy book that occupiers can be expelled with violence (seems reasonable, dont you think?), that aspect becomes more increasingly prominent when your country is being occupied in the present day. Religion in those moments serves as a tool to mobilise political/military forces.
If the Middle East wasn't under occupation, bombardment, division and dictatorship, perhaps the interpretations would be a bit more mellow.. but probably not because after a long relationship with the Saudis, we have already armed to the teeth the most toxic interpretations of Islam and they are rampaging.
Also if you actually look at the history of suicide bombing, its actually not religious at all. It goes against much of the Sunni sects. It is only when more recent fatwas are given to allow it to happen.. but that is for political/military means. Suicide bombing came from the Shia as there is already a part of Shia Islam where they self-flagellate at their "Ashura" celebration.
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Grey Fox]
#23952817 - 12/23/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grey Fox said: Try to be more consistent in your thinking. I think you missed my point: all monotheistic religions are problematic because they purport to have the absolute authority on truth and untruth... and yet they are all based on a delusion. When followers of a monotheistic religion carry out violence in the name of their one god it is abhorrent.
yes I think i did miss your point, its late here. I see your point
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Re: All christians are terrorists [Re: Eminence]
#23952818 - 12/23/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eminence said: How would someone know for a fact then in your opinion? How would you know a peaceful person who claims to be Muslim is actually Muslim and not just comparable to your average Christian who really doesn't know much about Christianity's past? If you think yelling "Allahu Akbar" before blowing dozens of people up in a suicide bombing isn't enough to make you believe they're religiously motivated then I don't see how you can counter me by mentioning Christian terrorists either. Sorry, but their "Taqiyya" practice is enough to make me suspicious of them all who claim to truly follow Islam. I mean, they should really do away with that whole thing if they want people to start trusting the peaceful ones more.
i don't think we can know, for a fact, without having some sort of research done into a person's past, nor am i stating factually that these people in question are or aren't. you, however, are making such claims with little to no evidence for support. hence why we've made this circle
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