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Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis)
    #23947504 - 12/21/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

hey everyone!

i just recently had my first psychedelic experience using psylocibe mushrooms and i became fascinated with the idea of growing them myself.

ive been following many guides (a lot of them came from here) to grow this particular mushroom but to almost no avail whatsoever.

I have pretty much all the equipment necessary, got plenty of sealed jars, pressure cooker, syringes, spore prints, i even made a glovebox.

As my substrate i chose to use cracked corn because where i live its very cheap, and went ahead and read and watched lots of guides that show how to prepare it. It is very straightforward



i used the popcorn tek but i have had absolutely no growth whatsoever in like 5 attempts so far, using like 8 jars each time...

the spores are not the problem since i have started using rice and it does grow there. But get this! even if i transfer some mycelium from my rice cakes to my cracked corn jars, the mycelium seems to just plain refuse to colonize it, even other contaminant fungi, like trichoderma has never appeared either, i think just cobweb has managed to colonize it, and like just 2 jars out of like 40.

so, the question to my fellow shroomers, what the hell is happening??

the corn is seems nice enough, it looks just like of the corn tek forums in here: no standing water, not too dry, cracked, not burnt. Red worms eat it just fine...

On my first try i noticed that some "white" stuff seeps out of the corn if theres standing water and i experimented with it and noticed its the natural fungicide the corn seeds carry with them, seemering it twice seems to completely eliminate it, but you know anything about it?


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: elchapetas]
    #23947723 - 12/21/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you have a bacteria infection going on in all your jars. How long is your cook time, your prep. I've always liked cracked corn for the price and easy prep. Just soak 20+ hourz, drain a hour to air dry and pc 2 hours. Please swicth to a shakeble grain. Saves you weeks im telling you.


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: tump]
    #23947830 - 12/22/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: elchapetas]
    #23947835 - 12/22/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Corn is the worst grain you can use.  The video is atrocious.  Learn agar before going to grain, or just try the pf tek.  Use a Still air box not a glove box.


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23947876 - 12/22/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"Sounds like you have a bacteria infection going on in all your jars"

but why would developed mycelia still be unable to colonize the corn?? some time ago i cooked like 20 test jars and made false inoculations to see if contamination would occur, i even forgot about them for like a month and when i oppened them, they didnt even smell bad, the corn was perfect, i even tried it and it tasted good.

hell ive even intentionally infected a couple of jars with trichoderma and that shit too couldnt colonize the corn... i mean, if i leave the corn outside and where it cant lose its moisture, it does get infected, but it seems to me that, something just has immense trouble penetrating whatever is that its protecting it.

i place my jars in a pressure cooker and let it boil for 1:10 hours with medium flame, of course i leave the lids slightly open to avoid cracking the jars and i use tinfoild to further protect the lid, i let the cooker cool with its lid closed, before opening it, i spray with alcohol the cooker and my hands and i use a mouthcover, i immediately close the lids of the jars and store them in a box.


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: elchapetas]
    #23947892 - 12/22/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"The video is atrocious"

really? this other guy:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17007040/fpart/all/vc/1

did a very similar thing... these ppl make it look as if it was a breeze, man ive done the exact same stuff and i get NO results whatsoever with corn Dx


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23947895 - 12/22/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why would a still air box be better than a glove box?


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: germanauslander]
    #23947902 - 12/22/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why would a still air box be better than a glove box?




Less drafty air. A lot easier to clean. A SAB isn't meant to be sterile. Just clean and ready to do sterile work in.

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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: elchapetas]
    #23948018 - 12/22/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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elchapetas said:
"Sounds like you have a bacteria infection going on in all your jars"

but why would developed mycelia still be unable to colonize the corn?? some time ago i cooked like 20 test jars and made false inoculations to see if contamination would occur, i even forgot about them for like a month and when i oppened them, they didnt even smell bad, the corn was perfect, i even tried it and it tasted good.

hell ive even intentionally infected a couple of jars with trichoderma and that shit too couldnt colonize the corn... i mean, if i leave the corn outside and where it cant lose its moisture, it does get infected, but it seems to me that, something just has immense trouble penetrating whatever is that its protecting it.

i place my jars in a pressure cooker and let it boil for 1:10 hours with medium flame, of course i leave the lids slightly open to avoid cracking the jars and i use tinfoild to further protect the lid, i let the cooker cool with its lid closed, before opening it, i spray with alcohol the cooker and my hands and i use a mouthcover, i immediately close the lids of the jars and store them in a box.



Yes not all bacteria has a smell or taste. By the way if you taste it again your a dumb sob. Myc can fight it but never over take it. Any one whos seen myc culture just dead stop around a pocket if grains knows the the myc just stop and give up if fighting a losing battle. I'm not going to tell you to go to agar for better results because even the best cultures can't win against bad jars.  70mins at 15psi might be your only problem. Again 120 mins to 150mins is gold. If you feel a glove box is good i recommend you do agar then most it to a lc and knock up the jars with a ship. Still air boxs are best because less air moving around and you can flame sterilize everything in stand of achol only. No one besides me believes in the power of corn. But even i love oats a lot more just for speed. Trust me that extra week waiting for jars to finish sucks. And everyone else will tell you to make li and pour, which i agree with i just think you need to focus on one thing at a time.


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: tump]
    #23948031 - 12/22/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No one besides me believes in the power of corn.




except native americans and US agricultural subsidies:rimshot:


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23948213 - 12/22/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a fan of whole corn, not cracked. I know people hate but what works, works:shrug:


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
    #23948263 - 12/22/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just wanted to pop in here and say jimmy cracked corn and I don't care


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
    #23948272 - 12/22/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

one of my best friends uses whole feed corn. its looks like lumpy wrinkled popcorn. but its really cheap.  he's one of those thrifty MOFO's who don't give a damn about anything but price.

but it takes all kinds, ya know


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: Get Shwifty]
    #23948276 - 12/22/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I just wanted to pop in here and say jimmy cracked corn and I don't care




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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23948279 - 12/22/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cracked corn, or corn in general, is terrible for mush cult.

How cheap are you talkin? I'm doing wbs at .40cents per lbs..

Why use a 6yr old tek with 7 pages? Good teks have like 50plus.


That tek author only got wbs to work when he mixed it with pf ??

Enough said...


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: mushboy]
    #23948281 - 12/22/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

.4 cents? Damnnn lol jk I know what you meant :wink:

I'm paying for oats at 20-25 cents a lb :laugh:


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23948300 - 12/22/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cracked corn is 5.5 cents a lb and whole corn is 5 cents a lb. I pay about 22.5 cents a lb for oats. Nothing is cheaper then corn and price vs results corn cant be beat. I'm still a oats man now just for speed purposes. I'm still hoping intengexfruit writes up his whole corn tek i still got 5 big bags sitting pretty.


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: tump]
    #23948311 - 12/22/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's some awesome prices damn. If I'm in a slump I might just have to try corn xD. Or just go harvest a bunch of grass seeds outside lol.

Although I really can't imagine a scenario where I would need less than $12 for the 50# oats bag lol


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23948335 - 12/22/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That's some awesome prices damn. If I'm in a slump I might just have to try corn xD. Or just go harvest a bunch of grass seeds outside lol.

Although I really can't imagine a scenario where I would need less than $12 for the 50# oats bag lol




Ok imagine you live in a city where there are only two feed stores within 60 miles of you. You visted the first one to look but they are all out of grains. You go to second store to find the only oats they have is rolled. But they have corn right there. Your going to probaby buy the corn right. By the way this just happened to me two weeks ago. Oats are the bomb but still got to get your spawn on.


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: tump]
    #23948342 - 12/22/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well that would be possible if it wasn't my area which is cow country. I know 5+ places in the city where you can get tack, feed, vet supplies, etc.

But yeah there's places not quite the same eh lol


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Re: Cracked corn keeps failing (Psylocibe Cubensis) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23948511 - 12/22/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I get wheat for .20 a lb and that is cheap enough for me. Results with wheat so far are excellent, easily the equal of rye for me. I have never been able to get yield with corn to match, though I never used it much either. Few runs with corn and went to millet and rye and didn't look back.


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