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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: liloldme]
    #23951590 - 12/23/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

never would have guessed you served.

Thank you for your input.
I have met people, people who join the military, who do think it's fun. But really its just a good way to make use of a sociopath in our society. Not remotely saying that soldiers are sociopaths or need to be, just that they are there.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23951726 - 12/23/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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As someone whos spent thousands of hours of his life shooting shit in video games but only shooting a gun IRL for a total of about three hours, I think we just need to accept that killing shit vicariously is a blast. The oldest book in the english language (sort of) is fucking brutal, a dude rips a monster's arm off and shit. I work with a guy that I've vividly murdered in my imagination dozens of times, complete with blood spurts and pleas for help.

I think the real problem is people can't just say "Welp, thats fucked up." I haven't physically harmed a human being since I was 14 (well, unless she asked me to :biggrin:). And I hurt people as a kid cause I got picked on, I was just defending myself half the time.

After a while the circle of thoughts just gets boring. We have violent instincts but our brains can overcome. Can't it just be that simple?




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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: myc_check1212]
    #23951975 - 12/23/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Op, how many people have you killed?


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23951981 - 12/23/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. Personally I think death is the worst and I wouldn't wish it on a single soul.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23951984 - 12/23/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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bloodsheen said:
As someone whos spent thousands of hours of his life shooting shit in video games but only shooting a gun IRL for a total of about three hours, I think we just need to accept that killing shit vicariously is a blast. The oldest book in the english language (sort of) is fucking brutal, a dude rips a monster's arm off and shit. I work with a guy that I've vividly murdered in my imagination dozens of times, complete with blood spurts and pleas for help.

I think the real problem is people can't just say "Welp, thats fucked up." I haven't physically harmed a human being since I was 14 (well, unless she asked me to :biggrin:). And I hurt people as a kid cause I got picked on, I was just defending myself half the time.

After a while the circle of thoughts just gets boring. We have violent instincts but our brains can overcome. Can't it just be that simple?





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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #23952031 - 12/23/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Life is not a video game.  I knew a guy who had some serious guilt about being cold killing people when he was a Marine.  It's hard to integrate real life serious actions and be a nice guy people believe.

Doesn't sound like you would make a good cellie or crime partner.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23952036 - 12/23/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That sounds crazy

If you like to kill people and enjoy taking life that means you have no empathy. Killing is not fun. I don't fantasize about murdering anyone. You might be a psycho/sociopath if you fantasize about murder.

I'm not gonna like when I was 14 I fantasized about killing this girl in my class named Lily. Lily told this girl I had a crush on that I liked her and she ruined my chances of ever getting to be with her by exposing my love to her prematurely.

I vividly remember having a fantasy about strangling her with cable in the band room and then and slowly draining the life from her. After I was done strangling her I took her clothes off and had sex with her dead body. I fantasized about angrily fucking her pale lifless corpse, making out with her dead body, and then eating her dead pussy. There was an alternative fantasy where I raped her first and then strangled her. I actually think I jerked off to that fanatasy once.

Point is that it was a fucked up fantasy and I'm disgusted with myself for ever having it. I was a psycho angsty emo kid when I was 14, I was very mentally ill and dealing with a lot of problems both mentally and emotional. I was super fucked up, I was in high school and was an angsty emo kid so it's ok for me to have had those thoughts then. But I'm 20 years old now and I've grown a lot since then and would never dream of commuting such a heinous and grotesque act. I have empathy for my fellow man and Woman. Would never kill someone ever, not even an animal.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Acid Jazz]
    #23952157 - 12/23/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

most mass shooters were humiliated at one point
it's not mental illness it's just years and years of impotent rage until one day...


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Konyap]
    #23952460 - 12/23/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This reminds me of a guy starting a thread about how hes been having trouble getting erections, then everyone just makes fun of how he can't get a boner. You know, even though erectile dysfunction medication is a multi-billion dollar industry. Yet somehow every single person that clicked on that thread has never had trouble getting a boner ever :lol:

Whatever man, if you guys want to just pretend your violent instincts aren't there, cool. You know how many people have beaten the shit out of dozens of people in their life but never even came close to killing anyone? Or how many people that are murderers "was just the nicest guy."

Maybe if people talked about this stuff more they wouldn't feel bad and just shove it down further.




You know what I have a huge problem with? Guys who think being a pig in bed is funny. This guy I worked with told me about how one time he was having sex with a girl and he pretended like he wasn't even close to cumming, so she pulled out his dick to start sucking on it, then he jerked his dick really fast and hard, jammed it in her mouth, and came. So fucking awful, I mean what is that shit? You want to watch her cough and be pissed after you just engaged in an intimate act? You think being demeaning and humiliating is enjoyable?

Defending your territory is just as natural as reproduction. Its what you do with it thats important


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23952796 - 12/23/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Op, how many times have you killed someone?


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23952853 - 12/23/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would love to kill about 2 people if I could get away with it, but I know I'm not smart enough to get away with it. It is fun to fantasize though....


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: FishyAl] * 1
    #23953700 - 12/24/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Op can't answer my question, fucking pussy thinks he likes killing people, yet hasn't ever done it.

It's like the asshole i work with(a).

A: Dude, i had an amazing acid trip this morning

Me: Damn, what time you take it?

A: 10 am


Me: And your sober already?

A: Yeah

Me: how long it last?

A:15 minutes

Me: :facepalm:


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen] * 3
    #23954293 - 12/24/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We just need to accept that its fun to kill people




I had to oversee and authorize my mother's euthanasia. I recently butchered a chicken and beat a poisoned mouse to death which lay dying on the doorstep.

Killing is NOT fun. Not in the least.

Consensual spanking is fun. I knew this black guy who got a kick out of me smacking his rather impressive ass, me roleplaying him into a perilous situation and "punishing" him. THAT was fun. Killing isn't.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Prozac]
    #23954367 - 12/24/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I said your theory is crap. Not you. You're comparing killing people in video games to killing people in real life. Sure. It may be fun as hell to kill people in video games but do you think you'd react the same way you do in the games if you killed someone in real life? It might be fun to watch people suffer in video games, movies, etc.. but to witness something like that in real life is traumatizing. It's something you'll never be able to get out of your head. It stays with you.




To be honest, it's not fun to watch people suffer in video games, which is why the best titles tend to be ones that downplay that aspect of violence.
Overwatch is huge as a first person multiplayer shooter, but it is mechanically designed to be more comical and mitigate the actuality of death.  Many characters fight with pseudo-magical weapons, and death is simply a character falling down then reviving after a timer is up.
On the more brutal and violent end of the recent first person shooter spectrum would be Doom, where the targets of the brutality are demons rather than humans.  Smash skulls, severe limbs, eviscerate, rip, and tear -- but the targets are non-human non-animal twisted denizens of Hell.

Games that really relish in suffering of people tend to be more of a niche thing published to try and make controversy dollars. :shrug:

Do not really follow movies any longer, but would presume similar is true.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Tantrika]
    #23954422 - 12/24/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Exercise good thinking and you'll see complete transformation from peace of mind, increase in 'luck', attractivenes, ability to deal with inevitable hardships, a glowing outlook which rewards every day, newly found skills and dissolution of the concern of the past and death.

When you've witnessed this, you'll see the egos proposition as a copper penny against the fortunes of gold that the higher mind delivers.

No-one who adorns the lower mind is strong. They are spiritual adolescents in fear of themselves, their contributions and reflections.

The true armies are steadfast in mind, guiding away dark day by day.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Tantrika]
    #23954643 - 12/24/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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SweetLeafSamadhi said:
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Prozac said:
I said your theory is crap. Not you. You're comparing killing people in video games to killing people in real life. Sure. It may be fun as hell to kill people in video games but do you think you'd react the same way you do in the games if you killed someone in real life? It might be fun to watch people suffer in video games, movies, etc.. but to witness something like that in real life is traumatizing. It's something you'll never be able to get out of your head. It stays with you.




To be honest, it's not fun to watch people suffer in video games, which is why the best titles tend to be ones that downplay that aspect of violence.
Overwatch is huge as a first person multiplayer shooter, but it is mechanically designed to be more comical and mitigate the actuality of death.  Many characters fight with pseudo-magical weapons, and death is simply a character falling down then reviving after a timer is up.
On the more brutal and violent end of the recent first person shooter spectrum would be Doom, where the targets of the brutality are demons rather than humans.  Smash skulls, severe limbs, eviscerate, rip, and tear -- but the targets are non-human non-animal twisted denizens of Hell.

Games that really relish in suffering of people tend to be more of a niche thing published to try and make controversy dollars. :shrug:

Do not really follow movies any longer, but would presume similar is true.



Grand Theft Auto is the only proof you need. One of the highest selling franchise of all time and its beyond brutal and violent. However, theres a scene in newest one where you're forced to torture a man in really horrific ways, and they indeed made it seriously not fun. I think they decided they had to push it all the way to the very edge just to prove that the closer to reality it gets the less satisfying it is.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23954649 - 12/24/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

that's deep. metaphorically speaking, topping GTA there'd be a hell of a game there.

if everyone were zombies would it be easier?

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CookieCrumbs said:
never would have guessed you served.

Thank you for your input.
I have met people, people who join the military, who do think it's fun. But really its just a good way to make use of a sociopath in our society. Not remotely saying that soldiers are sociopaths or need to be, just that they are there.



sometimes you need to bring the light to the darkness, so to speak.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23954828 - 12/24/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you fuck some guys girl in your mind you've done it in your heart my son. shame shame shame


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23954983 - 12/24/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've beat a grandmas head in on GTA . I've never done that in real life and I imagine it wouldn't be fun.


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Re: We just need to accept that its fun to kill people [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23955198 - 12/24/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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bloodsheen said:
Quote:

SweetLeafSamadhi said:
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Prozac said:
I said your theory is crap. Not you. You're comparing killing people in video games to killing people in real life. Sure. It may be fun as hell to kill people in video games but do you think you'd react the same way you do in the games if you killed someone in real life? It might be fun to watch people suffer in video games, movies, etc.. but to witness something like that in real life is traumatizing. It's something you'll never be able to get out of your head. It stays with you.




To be honest, it's not fun to watch people suffer in video games, which is why the best titles tend to be ones that downplay that aspect of violence.
Overwatch is huge as a first person multiplayer shooter, but it is mechanically designed to be more comical and mitigate the actuality of death.  Many characters fight with pseudo-magical weapons, and death is simply a character falling down then reviving after a timer is up.
On the more brutal and violent end of the recent first person shooter spectrum would be Doom, where the targets of the brutality are demons rather than humans.  Smash skulls, severe limbs, eviscerate, rip, and tear -- but the targets are non-human non-animal twisted denizens of Hell.

Games that really relish in suffering of people tend to be more of a niche thing published to try and make controversy dollars. :shrug:

Do not really follow movies any longer, but would presume similar is true.



Grand Theft Auto is the only proof you need. One of the highest selling franchise of all time and its beyond brutal and violent. However, theres a scene in newest one where you're forced to torture a man in really horrific ways, and they indeed made it seriously not fun. I think they decided they had to push it all the way to the very edge just to prove that the closer to reality it gets the less satisfying it is.




Yeah, GTA is kind of a good example of what I was getting at.
GTA allows players to take a variety of pretty brutal actions, assaulting civilians and the like -- but the representation of it does not really match with how twisted some of it is.
If the player knifes an NPC on the streets of Los Santos, it takes a few stabs then they fall down dead and quiet and glowing money or ammo pops out of them -- it's not like the game has the player staring at a glassy-eyed corpse while rifling through pockets for loot.

Shootouts have flashes of blood, but characters are never really maimed by firearms or explosions or anything.  If a grenade blows up at their feet, they ragdoll a bit from the physics, then flop down with an effectively unscathed corpse.

GTA pushes the envelope in terms of what it allows the player to do, but as you noted when it gets to something like the torture scene where it is a more intimate portrayal of violence it feels unpleasant, and it is not really part of the game many people make a point of replaying.

It allows for some really violent actions against NPCs that are meant to represent innocent people in a world where many games typically only allow the player to target a particularized "bad guy" but the portrayals of violence, outside the torture scene, do generally minimize showing violence as something victims suffer through, or indeed even portray wounds as anything more than red splotches on the body.


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