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Psilocybin tea question
    #23947239 - 12/21/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hello, I plan on doing 4 grams of mushrooms in tea in a few weeks, and I have a question. Do I have to worry about the alkaloids being destroyed if the water gets too hot? If so, what should I do to keep this from happening?


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: TJDShroomer]
    #23947488 - 12/21/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybins destruction point is way above boiling point. I believe its 400F or something. Nothing to worry about, its stable at boiling water temps.


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23947572 - 12/21/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I do less than boiling water, but it still hot as shit. seep for 20 minutes then drink. THis is the only way I do shrooms no body load for me and it hits pretty darn hard and fast. I think it hits faster as tea, can anyone back that up or is it just me?


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23947597 - 12/21/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It depends on if the mushrooms have psilocin in them, how hot, how long, and if they're agitated. The psilocybin will also be converted to psilocin as the tea brews and is speed up by heat so there's potential for loss of that too(source). Psilocin can oxidize pretty quickly if it's hot enough and with enough airflow introduced such as blending it. I put a small amount of lemon juice in there to help stabilize it and protect against oxidation and I do not use boiling water but maybe ~170-180f. I have used a leucistic strain that does not tint the water very much and when it oxidizes I see very apparent bluing which I believe is a sign of oxidation of psilocin(source), with the lemon juice or abscorbic acid it does not change color even over a longer period of time.

edit: It Definitely(!) hits faster as tea ime. I've gone from sober to peaking in 20-30 minutes before.


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: krypto2000]
    #23947650 - 12/21/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It depends on if the mushrooms have psilocin in them, how hot, how long, and if they're agitated. The psilocybin will also be converted to psilocin as the tea brews and is speed up by heat so there's potential for loss of that too(source). Psilocin can oxidize pretty quickly if it's hot enough and with enough airflow introduced such as blending it. I put a small amount of lemon juice in there to help stabilize it and protect against oxidation and I do not use boiling water but maybe ~170-180f. I have used a leucistic strain that does not tint the water very much and when it oxidizes I see very apparent bluing which I believe is a sign of oxidation of psilocin(source), with the lemon juice or abscorbic acid it does not change color even over a longer period of time.

edit: It Definitely(!) hits faster as tea ime. I've gone from sober to peaking in 20-30 minutes before.




The ref was actually pretty interesting, they are saying the mushrooms lose all activity within a year at room temp storage, but are good for >2 years in the freezer. I knew I stored in the freezer for a reason :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: dr.alkaline] * 1
    #23947716 - 12/21/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks everybody, I'm quite excited for the experience. Gonna post a trip report here


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: TJDShroomer]
    #23948081 - 12/22/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Goodluck TJD :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23948760 - 12/22/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Last time I followed the three step extraction on erowid with yogi tea.  It is the least unpleasant way I have tried so far.  20-30 minutes between each tea.  You can skip the second or third if you don't need it.

https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_prep2.shtml


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: TGS]
    #23950575 - 12/22/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ive never done a mushroom tea but that yogi licorise tea does sound amazing


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: TGS]
    #23950586 - 12/23/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Last time I followed the three step extraction on erowid with yogi tea.  It is the least unpleasant way I have tried so far.  20-30 minutes between each tea.  You can skip the second or third if you don't need it.

https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_prep2.shtml




Ohh yeah definitely gonna try that out. I drink the yogi licorice tea pretty often too. Licorice helps the liver cleanse itself.. I wonder how/if it works together with psilocybin.


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #23951462 - 12/23/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I do less than boiling water, but it still hot as shit. seep for 20 minutes then drink. THis is the only way I do shrooms no body load for me and it hits pretty darn hard and fast. I think it hits faster as tea, can anyone back that up or is it just me?




Anything you drink hits you faster than eating because solids don't have to be broken down. I've had tea hit me in about 15 minutes, gelcaps took at least 40 minutes.


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: Universe]
    #23951817 - 12/23/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Do any of you eat the steeped shrooms too??


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: Paul_Bab]
    #23951992 - 12/23/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That would defeat the purpose of making tea, IMO.


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: Universe]
    #23952145 - 12/23/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty much.

a water extraction (tea) is used to avoid eating the shroomy body.


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: Universe]
    #23952167 - 12/23/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That would defeat the purpose of making tea, IMO.



That's not true at all. Breaking down the chitinous material allows the compound to be more readily available. That's why it hits you faster. Anyone who's ever taken a drug ever knows that titrating doses is never as potent and effective as a large dose all at once. That's why we have tolerance. Sure, if you don't get nausea you could eat them, your trip will last longer. But it will be weaker.

Personally I do eat the shroom material with the tea. :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybin tea question [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23952289 - 12/23/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If the tea isn't enough for me then I didn't make it strong enough, it's not worth gaining the ~5% of the remaining alkaloids left in the mushroom to me to eat them.


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