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Help with bad feeling after mushrooms
#23946345 - 12/21/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hello. for a long time I wanted to try psychedelics of any kind. I have just came home after a week vacation in Amsterdam where magic truffles are available. I was with 2 sober friends and bought 10 grams of fresh atlantis truffles (as the man in the shop advised me to start with this amount) ate the whole dose and went to the zoo with my friends. I felt really comfortable and the expeirence didnt overwhelmed me. It was so great so I wanted to try again but this time a stronger dose. (the first time was so calm and easy so i felt confident to try again) 4 days later I ate 15 grams of galindoi truffles. I took them in the apartment when i felt good and even went to a walk in the streets with my frieds. this time it was much stronger and more visual then before but still I felt no fear or paranoia during the trip itself-(i ate them yesterday). and today (1 day after) i felt really strange and paranoid and i dont know why. the trip itself was really good without any fear. I feel now really strange and i am home now and i feel strange about home. the whole day was good but the feeling started only now when i arrived home. its like i have thoughts that i damaged myself and that i shouldnt have done it. please give me some advices and information. I even feel better only by writing it.
Edited by golmo (12/21/16 03:02 PM)
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23946378 - 12/21/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You may be more aware of your environment now than before, which can cause you to feel strange, you didn't damage yourself at all, but you may have changed your perception/awareness about some things. I also think this is normal every once in a while in everyone so it's not fair to directly relate these effects to the mushrooms - though I agree they may have catalyzed it.
overall, don't worry it doesn't sound like a problem at all and the word "damage" is definitively over extending meaning, I say embrace it, man up, sort shit out and enjoy life man.
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Why do you think there's a connection to the mushroom trip? It happened 24 hours before, there was nothing significant during or immediately after, now you feel weird in a way that you can't pinpoint. I don't see any real connection. It could be what you ate for lunch today just as much as it could be from the mushrooms yesterday. This is like saying yesterday I went to the firing range to shoot some hand guns, today around mid day my back started hurting. Do you think I may have been shot?
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: krypto2000]
#23946423 - 12/21/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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because after the triped stopped i felt fine. but now when i think about it the whole day i felt strange in a way-like i am not myself. i guess that the thought that i damaged myself was build up during the day and now it is a strong feeling. i am thinking like a cause imbalance in brain chemistry
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23946425 - 12/21/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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golmo said: because after the triped stopped i felt fine. but now when i think about it the whole day i felt strange in a way-like i am not myself. i guess that the thought that i damaged myself was build up during the day and now it is a strong feeling. i am thinking like a cause imbalance in brain chemistry
Definitively not. Pure placebo effect if you ever thought that was possible.
It defies science.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23946428 - 12/21/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You mean when you look back and think about the trip it makes you feel uncomfortable in some way? Did you have any similar thoughts during the trip? It sounds like maybe something is coming up from you subconscious/memories that you need to deal with. I seriously doubt you have a "chemical imbalance," there's no evidence such a thing even exist. That's a theory that was essentially pulled out of thin air back in the 60s which we've been unable to find supporting evidence for ever since.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: krypto2000]
#23946430 - 12/21/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does everything feel "real"? If you feel "disconnected" from yourself or surroundings you may have depersonalization or derealization.
Not saying it IS that but based on your vague description of symptoms its hard to say what it really is. Probably nothing.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23946433 - 12/21/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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golmo said: because after the triped stopped i felt fine. but now when i think about it the whole day i felt strange in a way-like i am not myself. i guess that the thought that i damaged myself was build up during the day and now it is a strong feeling. i am thinking like a cause imbalance in brain chemistry
That is probably depersonalization then. It will *probably* go away, just ignore it.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23946443 - 12/21/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: Does everything feel "real"? If you feel "disconnected" from yourself or surroundings you may have depersonalization or derealization.
Not saying it IS that but based on your vague description of symptoms its hard to say what it really is. Probably nothing.
what do you mean? but actually it may describes what i feel. but i am not sure though..
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23946449 - 12/21/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats pretty much it. You dont really feel like "you". I've had it for around 5 years.
I mean, im not a doctor though and self diagnosis isnt helpful. I wouldnt put too much thought into your symptoms, its nothing serious and will probably go away by itself unless you obsess over it.
If it does turn out to be depersonalization though, its not all bad. It can be scary at first but over time it gets much less intense and eventually fades away.
Edited by xbloodwhipx (12/21/16 03:44 PM)
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23946474 - 12/21/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: Thats pretty much it. You dont really feel like "you". I've had it for around 5 years.
I mean, im not a doctor though and self diagnosis isnt helpful. I wouldnt put too much thought into your symptoms, its nothing serious and will probably go away by itself unless you obsess over it.
If it does turn out to be depersonalization though, its not all bad. It can be scary at first but over time it gets much less intense and eventually fades away.
Whatever you two mean by saying feeling "like you" doesn't sound right to me. You are still you. Your awareness about the physical you, the emotional you, or the mind iun you may have changed, but you are still you. Looking at yourself differently, a matter of awareness/perception, no actual change in your brain/body/ nor "damage".
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but its kind of a damage. because it is not normal to you
Whatever you two mean by saying feeling "like you" doesn't sound right to me. You are still you. Your awareness about the physical you, the emotional you, or the mind iun you may have changed, but you are still you. Looking at yourself differently, a matter of awareness/perception, no actual change in your brain/body/ nor "damage".
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xbloodwhipx said: Thats pretty much it. You dont really feel like "you". I've had it for around 5 years.
I mean, im not a doctor though and self diagnosis isnt helpful. I wouldnt put too much thought into your symptoms, its nothing serious and will probably go away by itself unless you obsess over it.
If it does turn out to be depersonalization though, its not all bad. It can be scary at first but over time it gets much less intense and eventually fades away.
Whatever you two mean by saying feeling "like you" doesn't sound right to me. You are still you. Your awareness about the physical you, the emotional you, or the mind iun you may have changed, but you are still you. Looking at yourself differently, a matter of awareness/perception, no actual change in your brain/body/ nor "damage".
Yeah, and people who are schitzo have nothing wrong with either by that logic 
Or any other mental illness for that matter.
If you feel differently then you normally do, there IS some sort of change in brain activity btw.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23946493 - 12/21/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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golmo said: but its kind of a damage. because it is not normal to you
I'm not sure I would call it damage, but something has certainly changed in that situation.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23946560 - 12/21/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: Thats pretty much it. You dont really feel like "you". I've had it for around 5 years.
I mean, im not a doctor though and self diagnosis isnt helpful. I wouldnt put too much thought into your symptoms, its nothing serious and will probably go away by itself unless you obsess over it.
If it does turn out to be depersonalization though, its not all bad. It can be scary at first but over time it gets much less intense and eventually fades away.
Whatever you two mean by saying feeling "like you" doesn't sound right to me. You are still you. Your awareness about the physical you, the emotional you, or the mind iun you may have changed, but you are still you. Looking at yourself differently, a matter of awareness/perception, no actual change in your brain/body/ nor "damage".
Yeah, and people who are schitzo have nothing wrong with either by that logic 
Or any other mental illness for that matter.
If you feel differently then you normally do, there IS some sort of change in brain activity btw.
You have to understand that people in general, have a paranoia about psychedelics fucking with your mind - then, along with the placebo of having done a psychedelic recently - makes for many to believe the trivial be an illness.
Especially after taking a substance that allegedly increases your awareness, so if anything, it has helped you become aware that you have that in you.
You are ill if you believe you are. But OP doesn't sound to me abnormal. I've had feelings like that in the past before taking psychedelics, dont consider those feelings important, pretty certain other people get it too, and going far as blaming a psychedelic or labeling it "damage" for it is certainly unfair I think?
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Well, I'm not going to sit here and say OP has something wrong with him because I can only speculate given the information he had provided. That information provided to me a symptom of depersonalization, so I pointed out that its a possiblity.
I do agree using the word damage isn't really fair. If he now has depersonazation, and didn't before, the psychedelic simply brought out an underlying disorder that already existed.
But the original comment you posted that I responded to, sounded to me like you were stating that having depersonalization isnt a real thing, and that its simply a change in awareness/perception, and while depersonalization is simply a change in perception, its a mental disorder that causes that change in perception.
That is to say, you are feeling that change *because* of depersonalization. You don't just view things yourself in a different way, something in your brain changed and in turn forces you to view yourself in a different way.
Edited by xbloodwhipx (12/21/16 05:19 PM)
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23947058 - 12/21/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: I do agree using the word damage isn't really fair. If he now has depersonazation, and didn't before, the psychedelic simply brought out an underlying disorder that already existed.
That is not necessarily true and I think to say so can at best be misleading. This is statistically true of actual long term disorders, eg schizophrenia. We don't *know* whether psychedelics cause schizophrenia for instance, some users report it not long after tripping, but that doesn't mean it causes it, it might be a coincidence. Statistically psychedelic users do not have more instances of schizophrenia than the population at large, I even saw one recent report that they have LESS mental conditions in general. So one can say that there is not evidence to support that psychedelics cause schizophrenia, and this is true, but you can't say they factually don't as it is so far unproven, but it does not seem likely.
That does not however mean that any negative effects a person has after a trip must have therefor existed before a trip and psychedelics can be resolved of any blame. Depersonalization for instance is rather common and by itself is normally passing, it is often caused by trauma, intense experiences (good or bad), etc, things in common with the psychedelic experience itself at times so it stands to reason it could be directly caused by it. As are many other negative side effects. If these effects are part of an underlying mental illness then it could be said the trip brought that condition to the surface, but if it is just something like depersonalization on its own and it is passing at that then there wouldn't be an underlying condition for the psychedelics to have even brought out, would there? It's not as if in this case the OP had depersonalization prior to the trip and the trip simply made them realize it, this experience did not exist prior to the trip.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: krypto2000]
#23947129 - 12/21/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: I do agree using the word damage isn't really fair. If he now has depersonazation, and didn't before, the psychedelic simply brought out an underlying disorder that already existed.
That is not necessarily true and I think to say so can at best be misleading. This is statistically true of actual long term disorders, eg schizophrenia. We don't *know* whether psychedelics cause schizophrenia for instance, some users report it not long after tripping, but that doesn't mean it causes it, it might be a coincidence. Statistically psychedelic users do not have more instances of schizophrenia than the population at large, I even saw one recent report that they have LESS mental conditions in general. So one can say that there is not evidence to support that psychedelics cause schizophrenia, and this is true, but you can't say they factually don't as it is so far unproven, but it does not seem likely.
That does not however mean that any negative effects a person has after a trip must have therefor existed before a trip and psychedelics can be resolved of any blame. Depersonalization for instance is rather common and by itself is normally passing, it is often caused by trauma, intense experiences (good or bad), etc, things in common with the psychedelic experience itself at times so it stands to reason it could be directly caused by it. As are many other negative side effects. If these effects are part of an underlying mental illness then it could be said the trip brought that condition to the surface, but if it is just something like depersonalization on its own and it is passing at that then there wouldn't be an underlying condition for the psychedelics to have even brought out, would there? It's not as if in this case the OP had depersonalization prior to the trip and the trip simply made them realize it, this experience did not exist prior to the trip.
I suppose I was wrong
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: krypto2000]
#23948077 - 12/22/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is not necessarily true and I think to say so can at best be misleading. This is statistically true of actual long term disorders, eg schizophrenia. We don't *know* whether psychedelics cause schizophrenia for instance, some users report it not long after tripping, but that doesn't mean it causes it, it might be a coincidence. Statistically psychedelic users do not have more instances of schizophrenia than the population at large, I even saw one recent report that they have LESS mental conditions in general. So one can say that there is not evidence to support that psychedelics cause schizophrenia, and this is true, but you can't say they factually don't as it is so far unproven, but it does not seem likely.
That does not however mean that any negative effects a person has after a trip must have therefor existed before a trip and psychedelics can be resolved of any blame. Depersonalization for instance is rather common and by itself is normally passing, it is often caused by trauma, intense experiences (good or bad), etc, things in common with the psychedelic experience itself at times so it stands to reason it could be directly caused by it. As are many other negative side effects. If these effects are part of an underlying mental illness then it could be said the trip brought that condition to the surface, but if it is just something like depersonalization on its own and it is passing at that then there wouldn't be an underlying condition for the psychedelics to have even brought out, would there? It's not as if in this case the OP had depersonalization prior to the trip and the trip simply made them realize it, this experience did not exist prior to the trip.
i dont understand. am i in a bad situation? or is there anything i can do? i think i need some time for me to return to normal thinking. its after a good sleep night now and i feel a little better.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23948297 - 12/22/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Strange feelings after tripping are pretty common. Time will take care of it all by itself, so will tripping more.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23948310 - 12/22/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, that was my point, I didn't want you to read what the other guy said and think there's some condition that is coming to the surface, that's probably not the case. Side effects such as depersonalization are normal after a trip and you'll most likely been fine in a couple of weeks. Just be mindful and stay healthy and you should be fine.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: krypto2000]
#23948462 - 12/22/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: I mean, im not a doctor though and self diagnosis isnt helpful. I wouldnt put too much thought into your symptoms, its nothing serious and will probably go away by itself unless you obsess over it.
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xbloodwhipx said: Well, I'm not going to sit here and say OP has something wrong with him because I can only speculate given the information he had provided. That information provided to me a symptom of depersonalization, so I pointed out that its a possiblity.
Yeah thats what I was saying. But I do want OP to know whats wrong with him if it DOES turn out to be depersonalization.
I realize that OP probably just wanted to know that he was ok, and chances are nothing is wrong. But you never know, and I'm not going to lie to him. He described to me what sounded like depersonalization, which normally goes away in like a week- a monthish time when drug induced. So even if it IS DP, its not really anything to worry about.

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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23948785 - 12/22/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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well thanks guys. you helped me a lot. I even talked with my mother and actually feel better now. I think it is just mixed feelings of going back to normal after a vacation which are now more powerful after the mushroom. it feels like i will be fine in a few days. thanks again
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: golmo]
#23949079 - 12/22/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good luck
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23976229 - 01/02/17 01:41 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Don´t worry, you had two trips in a short period of time. Now you need time to integrate the experience and your personality needs to adapt. Don´t worry, it is very improbable that the shroomconsumption has caused any damage. The slight depersonalization should be over soon. I would recommend to avoid psychoactive substances for a while. Also, take long breaks between trips, at least 2-3 months.
It also sounds like you had the idea in your mind, that you have done something bad or unhealthy. That is not the case and just a culture induced misjudgement, that society has put upon you. Good thing, you talked to your mother about it. Now go on and do some research about the benefits of shrooms and replace that misguided picture that cultural education has established. Use your own mind, you are responsible for your consciousness, not a government or anyone who told you, that shrooms are bad.
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Re: Help with bad feeling after mushrooms [Re: DerPda]
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