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Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators
    #23945648 - 12/21/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, yep I screwed up once again. It's what a noob does time to time, I've gotten past it. Okay I started my grain jars out using a home made spore syringe, so strike one, I know. So I was like what the hell I used the Damion 50/50* Tek and mixed it in an 18 gallon tub, not thinking it was going to even work. So I figured if the sub colonized then I would cut the holes in the tub to all FAE. STRIKE 2! The sub colonized but after trying to drill the holes in the tub I see it will damage the sub. I won't make that mistake again. At the current moment I am basically treating the tub like a huge cake. I have two holes popped in the side filled with poly, and I have 9, 1 & 1/2 inch holes drilled in the lid with clear plastic over them to allow for light ( which it probably doesn't need). What do I need to do different if anything to get the best results. I figured there would be better pinning. Throw me bone here.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney] * 3
    #23945716 - 12/21/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

More than just TCs can help man.  Many posters here grow cubes better than I ever could. Don't believe in kings, believe in the kingdom :mushroom2:


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: blindingleaf] * 1
    #23945760 - 12/21/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't believe in kings, believe in the kingdom :mushroom2:




:icecreamsadness: That's so beautiful.


@Cagney: Can you give us a pic of your whole setup? I guess I'm have trouble understanding why you can't just treat this like a monotub grow.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: r.lutece]
    #23945840 - 12/21/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't believe in kings, believe in the kingdom :mushroom2:




:icecreamsadness: That's so beautiful.


@Cagney: Can you give us a pic of your whole setup? I guess I'm have trouble understanding why you can't just treat this like a monotub grow.




I'm thinking the same thing. Lots of times the bottom holes are taped closed during colonization on mono's anyway, so all you'd have to do is put your mono holes in it and run with it.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: thebug76]
    #23945908 - 12/21/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I reccon u have the wrong light for those.  I bet u dont have a 6500 K light.  Also more fresh air always helps at this stage


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Edmunter]
    #23953338 - 12/24/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just an update, and no I don't have any specific lighting I use a 15 watt CFL just a few hours out of the day. Most of these pins started before I subjected the tub to fruiting conditions or had any light.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney]
    #23953792 - 12/24/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, these fruits are definitely crying out for a 6500 Kelvin light.  With it they will be fatter and much happier.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Edmunter]
    #23954141 - 12/24/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Really? Never heard that the light would create bigger fruits.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney]
    #23954434 - 12/24/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Even if you don't want to get a new bulb, you should at least give them more light in general. During fruiting, 12 hours of light each day is recommended. Just like mammals, mushrooms have a circadian rhythm. Right now they look really skinny because they're seeking light, thinking that growing upward will take them closer to a light source. Give them more light and they'll spend more energy on filling themselves out.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: r.lutece]
    #23954460 - 12/24/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I found 6500kelvin lights at 65watts and 3000 lumens on amazon for 10$. Worth a look


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Highzenbergfungi]
    #23954472 - 12/24/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

3000 lumens? That's an absurd amount of light!

I once replaced the four vanity lights in my bathroom with lights that were 500 lumens apiece. Man was never meant to see so much.

Seriously though, I would think anything over 1000 lumens per bulb for our purposes would be straight up overkill.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney]
    #23954495 - 12/24/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Really? Never heard that the light would create bigger fruits.




IF YOU CAN BE BOTHERED READ THROUGH ROGER RABBITS NOTE ON EVERYTHING.  Sorry im not shouting.

There is some interesting stuff in here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468486#8468486


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: r.lutece]
    #23954499 - 12/24/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

True,  but they were cheap and can do multiple monotubs at the same time


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Highzenbergfungi]
    #23954517 - 12/24/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A standard energy saving daylight light bulb works.  As cheap as u can get it. 

For example this daylight bulb is perfect., just look at the K value ie 6500K

http://www.bltdirect.com/energy-saving-spiral-30-watt-daylight-bayonet-cap-160-watt-alternative


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Edmunter]
    #23955354 - 12/24/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Really? Never heard that the light would create bigger fruits.




IF YOU CAN BE BOTHERED READ THROUGH ROGER RABBITS NOTE ON EVERYTHING.  Sorry im not shouting.

There is some interesting stuff in here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468486#8468486




Actually I have read through RR's notes, maybe I missed a section because I didn't see where he put emphasis on lighting. I will definitely give it another look. My last batch of cakes I fruited I barely used any light and kept the SGFC in a closet and I still got a quarter pound of dry off them, only first flush. I was always under the impression that FAE, Moisture in the sub, and temperature were the main factors of growth. I would love to grow some monsters, like I said this is my first tub. I'll use the kelvin light you mentioned on the next round and check the results. Thanks


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney]
    #23957619 - 12/26/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



Just  an update



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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney]
    #23957624 - 12/26/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:raisemyglass:


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    #23957752 - 12/26/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23957756 - 12/26/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You turned that sad tub to a happy little guy!

Congrats man and good work.

I use this lamp. Take off the little shade parts so it's just the bulbs.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Design-Trends-67-5-in-Contemporary-Black-Adjustable-Floor-Lamp-19002-07/204348422


Then i put in a 6500k cfl in each of the sockets. Works like a charm. You can also bend it anyway to best suit your set up.


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    #23958101 - 12/26/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Talking about mushrooms and lights, there is an interesting experiment you can do.  If u turn the tub 90 degrees the same direction every day the mushrooms grow twisted like a thread.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Edmunter]
    #23959797 - 12/27/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, I had to cut almost a hundred caps off the top canopy in order for the rest to receive light. They were already flattening and fixing to make a huge mess. I am figuring I just leave the big stems attached to the sub so it doesn't damage the younger fruits while they mature. Also the sub has pulled about three quarters of an inch away from the tub since I didn't use a liner. Do I need to bottom water the sub now, use a syringe to inject water into the sub, or just let her ride.


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    #23959843 - 12/27/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They are all ready to crop.  U dont want them chucking up spores everywhere.  Some say the best time to harvest is just b4 the veils break.

There are a couple of things you can do.  Fill the tub with water and weigh the sub down.  I use containers filled with water.  Or just leave it and use what it has.  If you pick the tub up and it feels heavy then you should be ok.

I would soak if it where me as with this good set of genetics you should get some monster fruits in the next few flushes


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Edmunter]
    #23960293 - 12/27/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What's the best way to harvest these fruits without doing too much damage to the substrate, or does it matter. As soon as I pulled up the first clump I realized this isn't the same as harvesting off a cake. The sub is a lot more delicate.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney] * 1
    #23960407 - 12/27/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They're not plants, a fucking LED will do.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Cagney]
    #23960421 - 12/27/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i twist and pull. you will get a debate and different answers from everyone but id rather have craters than stumps.

also dont trip about the light. as stated they arent plants.. lol


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Lobi] * 1
    #23960426 - 12/27/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



There's always a debate about harvesting. Do it whichever way you want. I cut it's easier.


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    #23960440 - 12/27/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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They're not plants, a fucking LED will do.




Its not the kind of light you use its the point in the spectrum the rays come from.  If you want an optimal grow use a light from  6500Kelvin which is a result of the best mycologists doing numerous tests over many years.  If you want to half arse it and listen to lazy sloppy advice just get an LED.  Any light is better than none but as said above for best results.

There are various ways you can harvest, twist and pull, which can cut up your sub or cut with a scalpel as close to the substrate as you can.  The base turns back into mycelium.


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Re: Made a Mistake Trusted Cultivators [Re: Edmunter]
    #23960464 - 12/27/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I do appreciate it fellas. I didn't know if the stumps would start to rot and cause bacterial problems.


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