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OfflineMorel Guy
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 2
    #23945391 - 12/21/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There was plenty of motive among people to get ride of JFK.  There was very little concrete evidence to suggest anything other than Oswald.

Big difference between concrete evidence and something more thought provoking.


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23945409 - 12/21/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My response was directed to people still falling victim to CIA propaganda first started after the JFK assasinations.

It's the same excuse when anyone brings up facts about 9/11 that disprove the official theories. They go how can you still speak about this think of the victims families! But what better way to honor the victims than debunking the lies around the death of their loved ones and showing them the truths

Thinking critically about things depicted on television is more crucial than ever today because the amount of false information being portrayed as news has reached new heights.


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 2
    #23945414 - 12/21/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never did believe 9/11 was anything but a bunch of Muslims wrecking planes.

Conspiracy theory is real good at suggesting variables without proving facts.  Sometimes people think there is fact when it's just a loose variable.


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23945417 - 12/21/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know and many people made up there  minds in 2001 and didn't follow independently verified papers and data that prove the official story as a large lie. This is a big problem surrounding these events


Look at the standing rock situation, when something happens the establishment wants to hide they simply do a media blackout of the event. There has been a media blackout for any of this new data that proves the old tales of 9/11 as false.


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23945468 - 12/21/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe because there is no substance to report?

I have seen plenty of news coverage of standing rock.  PBS is a bit better at being liberal because it's funded by viewers.

Maybe you don't watch enough news to combat them?


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23946069 - 12/21/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You know conspiracy theory is not the taboo word you suggest?

The CIA made a large effort to associate critical thinkers ( it's very healthy to question narratives) and people that consider conspiracy theories (which are extremely plentiful) into some sort of taboo after the JFK assassination which so many peopel castes doubts upon.

Don't fall victim to the false programming. We are just thinking critically forget your programming



But you're not 'thinking critically'.  You're believing a conspiracy theory someone came up with without evidence.


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23947011 - 12/21/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed!


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23953638 - 12/24/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You know conspiracy theory is not the taboo word you suggest?

The CIA made a large effort to associate critical thinkers ( it's very healthy to question narratives) and people that consider conspiracy theories (which are extremely plentiful) into some sort of taboo after the JFK assassination which so many peopel castes doubts upon.

Don't fall victim to the false programming. We are just thinking critically forget your programming



But you're not 'thinking critically'.  You're believing a conspiracy theory someone came up with without evidence.




I'm not taking a position here, but is that any different than what most people do? Most people will watch or read the news, it says X happened for Y reason, rarely giving any real supporting evidence, and they accept it as gospel because an authority figure told them so. No critical thinking or evidence involved there.

Conspiracy theorists on the other hand tend to disbelieve such things because it goes against their better judgement and sounds fishy. They then theorize what might have happened based on limited info. I agree to then go around espousing the theory as fact is not thinking critically, but thinking of and entertaining an alternate theory alone is, that's really a classic example of critical thinking in fact; it's the difference between believing it's likely but recognizing you can't prove it and believing it's TRUE when you can't prove it. The former is how every critical thinking person should operate, authority rarely tells you the full truth on anything, sometimes they tell you nothing but outright lies.

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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: krypto2000]
    #23953679 - 12/24/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not taking a position here, but is that any different than what most people do? Most people will watch or read the news, it says X happened for Y reason, rarely giving any real supporting evidence, and they accept it as gospel because an authority figure told them so. No critical thinking or evidence involved there.







concerning the televised/radio media, which rarely cite sources, the most effective way to avoid the line of thinking you describe is to listen to multiple sources, dwell on what each of them is saying in relation to the other, be knowledgeable of their own personal/financial interests, and make an EDUCATED GUESS from there.  Granted, this is not foolproof, especially depending on the sources one chooses to observe (there's only so much time in a day, and less so that one can focus intently on these issues, for most)


another issue at hand, and one that could greatly help people to understand current events, is to understand the history of a region and those involved, and how the effects of the past are still influencing the events of today



kind of like how a vast majority of people aren't aware the US has been meddling in "middle east" political issues since, if not before, the Arab-Israeli war, which included supplying weapons to BOTH sides.  This doesn't include our role, politically and munitions-wise during WWI with the Ottoman empire (now Turkey) or that we've been meddling in south-east Asia/Northern Africa since before the 1800's


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: krypto2000]
    #23953802 - 12/24/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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But you're not 'thinking critically'.  You're believing a conspiracy theory someone came up with without evidence.



...to go around espousing the theory as fact is not thinking critically, but thinking of and entertaining an alternate theory alone is, that's really a classic example of critical thinking in fact.



Sure, I agree with you on certain things the media can't back with evidence, such as Russians interfering with US elections.

But in this case, we have a famous person being shot in a public place, captured on video, witnessed by a great many people; his body displayed in an open casket funeral.

To say that the shooting wasn't real isn't critical thinking.


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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23953925 - 12/24/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not talking about any specific conspiracy theory or news story, just in general. I began my reply to you guys talking about the JFK assassination.

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