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OfflinePatlal
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Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite.
    #23943810 - 12/20/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Right now the internet has create a major confirmation bias into society. Every argument has been transformed into the worst version of itself and then flung back at the opposition to piss them off so badly that they come back with worse. This leads to people researching things on "I'm right dot com" instead of looking for things to expand their understanding of the opposite side.

That inevitably leads to fake news, bullshit article, extreme hatred and polarization.

So, let's get back to getting smart shall we.

Search for something you know you're polarized on. And read all the facts you can that go against what you believe.

Ex: You're pro-abortion. Then red eveything you can about anti-abortion.

Obviously, most of you won't do any of that shit, but I'm sure that at least one of you will be smart enough to attempt it. When you do, let me know, I have a few questions for you


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23943812 - 12/20/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its a catch-22. Anyone who would do that already has, and anyone who hasn't never will :strokebeard:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23943815 - 12/20/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

give me one, Patlal. and i'll tell you if i'm against it/for it, or am on the middle path, or if if i'm undecided.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23943819 - 12/20/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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give me one, Patlal. and i'll tell you if i'm against it/for it, or am on the middle path, or if if i'm undecided.




Pipelines


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23943830 - 12/20/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Pipelines




I never pegged you for a misogynist Patlal.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Ras Rising] * 2
    #23943838 - 12/20/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have never had a position that was wrong. So...there's no point. If I researched against socialism I'd get failed examples, not exactly an arguing point. If I researched anti-choicers I'd see a bunch of fucking shitheads complaining about babies being killed.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943844 - 12/20/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Pipelines




which one? gotta be more specific than that.

but i guess i'll wing it. in general, pipelines are a resource, because selling oil is a profitable way to manage resources and trade with other countries, so hence, i'm pro-pipeline. it helps because frakking is only a temporary solution to energy expenditure, at best. we need to focus more on alternative energy systems- but for now, coal and oil is necessitous.

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is always a band-aid solution to when unfettered corporatism is out of control. it puts the power back into the hands of the people, that is, if there is no dictatorial authority to centralize the market expenditures, and it's solely in the hands of a democratic (representative, even better) committee of social citizens.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23943847 - 12/20/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
Pipelines




which one? gotta be more specific than that.

but i guess i'll wing it. in general, pipelines are a resource, because selling oil is a profitable way to manage resources and trade with other countries, so hence, i'm pro-pipeline. it helps because frakking is only a temporary solution to energy expenditure, at best. we need to focus more on alternative energy systems- but for now, coal and oil is necessitous.




Good.

Now read about why some are against them and see if your opinion of them changes.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943887 - 12/20/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Good.

Now read about why some are against them and see if your opinion of them changes.



all i can see that's valid is environmental concerns...carbon emissions are one reason why we need to pool more resources into research for alternative energy. but does that change my opinion, no. oil spills, well, that's a terrible thing to happen, but certain regulations can prevent the occasions of such spills. environmental agencies aren't needed, but regulations surely are. unfettered emissions are not good for the environment, and if there is an irreversible effect on the environment, we'll all be sorry- and even if it's only a temporary problem, the solutions will cost much more to the people whom essentially aren't responsible for the lack of regulatory standards/the enforcement of such regulations.

the government body would need to entail a staff administration for a regulatory/enforcement body of the environment. it can be tacked on with the tax bureau for receiving, compiling, and sending checks/auditing (which recieving and compiling should, at some point, be automated- and then have a small regulatory body, itself, to manage the inflow/outflow of checks to correct for any misinformation and errors.)

whoa, went a little overboard there.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23943890 - 12/20/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

ALright then.

What about nuclear energy?


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943902 - 12/20/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'll take an issue if I can assign you one.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943920 - 12/20/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

U first :whatyougonnado:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943924 - 12/20/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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ALright then.

What about nuclear energy?



obvious answer: given the notion of outbreak due to system failure, or natural catastrophe, the less nuclear energy facilities, the better- coal and oil work just as well, and provide more jobs to the average worker, plus is just safer overall- but as population increases, we may need to rely on nuclear energy; so hence, the main focus should be on researching alternative energy.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23943940 - 12/20/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
ALright then.

What about nuclear energy?



obvious answer: given the notion of outbreak due to system failure, or natural catastrophe, the less nuclear energy facilities, the better- coal and oil work just as well, and provide more jobs to the average worker, plus is just safer overall- but as population increases, we may need to rely on nuclear energy; so hence, the main focus should be on researching alternative energy.




I think that nuclear energy is already the best energy creation device ever created because it produces tons of energy  and produces 0 emissions. But people got scared with the Japanesee disaster. If you build a nuclear plant where there are no history of earthquakes, volcano or tornadoes, you can have a solid source of safe and stable energy


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943945 - 12/20/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

that is unless one of those lovely anarchist groups which are so prevalent these days decides to level one with a massive DDOS attack or something. but maybe i'm a little off-base here, i don't claim to know how that kind of thing works. :shrug: but it's apparently happened in the past where anti-nuclear energy groups sent a virus to a facility, and caused a massive panic there...presumably someone could manage much worse. cyber security...now that's a thing.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23943980 - 12/20/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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that is unless one of those lovely anarchist groups which are so prevalent these days decides to level one with a massive DDOS attack or something. but maybe i'm a little off-base here, i don't claim to know how that kind of thing works. :shrug: but it's apparently happened in the past where anti-nuclear energy groups sent a virus to a facility, and caused a massive panic there...presumably someone could manage much worse. cyber security...now that's a thing.




You need mechanical kill switches and a lot of security. Just as it should be


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23943983 - 12/20/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

kill switches sound like a bad idea. :insano:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23944026 - 12/20/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think reasonable people already do this

I'm trying to think of something to look up that I haven't read the other side's arguments for...

oh pedophilia. I've never read any of Nambla or whatever's shit so I guess that counts :tongue:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23944081 - 12/20/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I could argue till my face turned blue about how capitalism and monetary systems in general are ruining the world but until I can come up with a plausible replacement there is no point.

Everything I come up with still has the same problem with the monetary system.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23944095 - 12/20/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I could argue till my face turned blue about how capitalism and monetary systems in general are ruining the world but until I can come up with a plausible replacement there is no point.

Everything I come up with still has the same problem with the monetary system.



Thats not really an opinion, more dissatisfaction with reality. Not the same thing IMO


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23944116 - 12/20/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I could argue till my face turned blue about how capitalism and monetary systems in general are ruining the world but until I can come up with a plausible replacement there is no point.

Everything I come up with still has the same problem with the monetary system.



Capitalism and the current system of fiat money has allowed unprecedented growth the likes of which has never been seen in human history, and has been pivotal in our growth as a species. In the time that international capitalism has become the status quo, man has increased the human life expectancy through food distribution and medicine, it has launched humans on the moon and sent satellites outside our solar system, and created a world wide communications system so that one can talk with anyone at any point on the globe nearly instantaneously - essentially telekinesis.

Ever since the establishment of the Bretton Woods system, global warfare has been a thing of the past and despite the population surging to levels the human species has never seen, warfare has gone down and fewer people are dying from war than have ever before in the history of man.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23944132 - 12/20/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I could argue till my face turned blue about how capitalism and monetary systems in general are ruining the world but until I can come up with a plausible replacement there is no point.

Everything I come up with still has the same problem with the monetary system.




sure, but maybe the monetary system itself isn't a problem, if what concerns you is devaluation of human life and obsession with material wealth over sustainability, compassion spiritual growth etc then I would argue we don't need to do away with money or capitalism fully, we just need to regulate and restrain the power of corporations, especially limiting their influence on politics

even I as a socialist see the necessity of some monetary system at least for the foreseeable future


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23944340 - 12/20/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Really I have a problem with consumerism and profit being the primary motivation behind everything. The carrot and the stick is the best way to motivate anyone in the history of mankind but when the carrot is a focal point (money) for everything else, including the stick, it inevitably leads to corruption.

People aren't inherently this way, but it's the easiest carrot to toss out, so they are trained to believe that printed currency is what they need for everything in life and a life can only be built by building money.

And in my lifetime I've seen the same marketing ideas make people think they need a new car every 5 years, they need diet pills and shakes to lose weight, they need 8 pairs of shoes and 10 pairs of jeans and 80 different shirts. And these ideas are socially or self enforced. People are trained to believe that money will buy out all their problems and if they don't it's because they don't make enough money, because they are dumb or lazy, or because they're stingy with mmoney.

My idea of whatever replaces it NEEDS to reward people for being good people. For recycling. For conserving. For helping their community. And there needs to be a carrot for corporations to do the same thing. The motivation for work needs to be making the world a better place and mankind a better race. Maybe this could be fixed if something like the UN decided that they would enforce a currency system that revolves around preserving resources and improving quality of life... But they won't because they too have been trained to focus only on what reward them with the most carrots.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23944344 - 12/20/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Blue in the face and still can't come up with anything that might actually happen.

Kinda just hoping we nuke ourselves instead.


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    #23944356 - 12/20/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I spend more time researching the opposing point of view. Doesn't everyone?

It's hard not to when the opposition is right wingers. You can't take them at their word. 90% of the time their ideas are based on lies and misconceptions and you have to fact check them like you would 3rd graders.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: koods] * 2
    #23944384 - 12/20/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I choose to disagree with the subject of mathematics.

Mathematics.  They say it is an essential subject, but is it really?

Leading scholars say that math is really boring and stupid.  With the invention of calculators and more advanced computers math is no longer necessary.  Life would be much more fun if the subject of math didn't exist.

In conclusion math is dumb, and people who think it is cool are dumb too.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23944402 - 12/20/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When I was younger I disagreed with everything.
Like everything.
Even my own beliefs.
And I researched the counterpoints in everything in great detail.
Which helped me reshape and solidify my beliefs.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23944407 - 12/20/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you wouldn't happen to be american would you? :rolleyes:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23944440 - 12/20/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't even get me started about the subject of America.  I completely disagree with America.  It doesn't even really exist.  I don't mean that like in an existential way either.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23944443 - 12/20/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think most americans tend to disagree with america. They just don't call it america. They tend to call it Conservative or Democrat.


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    #23944453 - 12/20/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No I mean I am skeptical as to the existence of this supposed continent.  I mean has anyone actually seen it or is it just another plot by mainstream media to make us buy life insurance?


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23944584 - 12/20/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Life insurance isn't real dude, get a grip.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23944700 - 12/20/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is something I regularly do all the time. You have to know what the opposition believes in order to develop your arguments and critical thinking skills.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23945050 - 12/21/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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This is something I regularly do all the time. You have to know what the opposition believes in order to develop your arguments and critical thinking skills.





Me too.:thumbup:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23945123 - 12/21/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fucking magnets

How do they work?


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: stzacrack]
    #23945125 - 12/21/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Magic nets.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23945560 - 12/21/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No I mean I am skeptical as to the existence of this supposed continent.  I mean has anyone actually seen it or is it just another plot by mainstream media to make us buy life insurance?






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