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InvisiblePatrickKn
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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23944116 - 12/20/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I could argue till my face turned blue about how capitalism and monetary systems in general are ruining the world but until I can come up with a plausible replacement there is no point.

Everything I come up with still has the same problem with the monetary system.



Capitalism and the current system of fiat money has allowed unprecedented growth the likes of which has never been seen in human history, and has been pivotal in our growth as a species. In the time that international capitalism has become the status quo, man has increased the human life expectancy through food distribution and medicine, it has launched humans on the moon and sent satellites outside our solar system, and created a world wide communications system so that one can talk with anyone at any point on the globe nearly instantaneously - essentially telekinesis.

Ever since the establishment of the Bretton Woods system, global warfare has been a thing of the past and despite the population surging to levels the human species has never seen, warfare has gone down and fewer people are dying from war than have ever before in the history of man.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23944132 - 12/20/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I could argue till my face turned blue about how capitalism and monetary systems in general are ruining the world but until I can come up with a plausible replacement there is no point.

Everything I come up with still has the same problem with the monetary system.




sure, but maybe the monetary system itself isn't a problem, if what concerns you is devaluation of human life and obsession with material wealth over sustainability, compassion spiritual growth etc then I would argue we don't need to do away with money or capitalism fully, we just need to regulate and restrain the power of corporations, especially limiting their influence on politics

even I as a socialist see the necessity of some monetary system at least for the foreseeable future


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23944340 - 12/20/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Really I have a problem with consumerism and profit being the primary motivation behind everything. The carrot and the stick is the best way to motivate anyone in the history of mankind but when the carrot is a focal point (money) for everything else, including the stick, it inevitably leads to corruption.

People aren't inherently this way, but it's the easiest carrot to toss out, so they are trained to believe that printed currency is what they need for everything in life and a life can only be built by building money.

And in my lifetime I've seen the same marketing ideas make people think they need a new car every 5 years, they need diet pills and shakes to lose weight, they need 8 pairs of shoes and 10 pairs of jeans and 80 different shirts. And these ideas are socially or self enforced. People are trained to believe that money will buy out all their problems and if they don't it's because they don't make enough money, because they are dumb or lazy, or because they're stingy with mmoney.

My idea of whatever replaces it NEEDS to reward people for being good people. For recycling. For conserving. For helping their community. And there needs to be a carrot for corporations to do the same thing. The motivation for work needs to be making the world a better place and mankind a better race. Maybe this could be fixed if something like the UN decided that they would enforce a currency system that revolves around preserving resources and improving quality of life... But they won't because they too have been trained to focus only on what reward them with the most carrots.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23944344 - 12/20/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Blue in the face and still can't come up with anything that might actually happen.

Kinda just hoping we nuke ourselves instead.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #23944356 - 12/20/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I spend more time researching the opposing point of view. Doesn't everyone?

It's hard not to when the opposition is right wingers. You can't take them at their word. 90% of the time their ideas are based on lies and misconceptions and you have to fact check them like you would 3rd graders.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: koods] * 2
    #23944384 - 12/20/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I choose to disagree with the subject of mathematics.

Mathematics.  They say it is an essential subject, but is it really?

Leading scholars say that math is really boring and stupid.  With the invention of calculators and more advanced computers math is no longer necessary.  Life would be much more fun if the subject of math didn't exist.

In conclusion math is dumb, and people who think it is cool are dumb too.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23944402 - 12/20/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When I was younger I disagreed with everything.
Like everything.
Even my own beliefs.
And I researched the counterpoints in everything in great detail.
Which helped me reshape and solidify my beliefs.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23944407 - 12/20/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you wouldn't happen to be american would you? :rolleyes:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23944440 - 12/20/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't even get me started about the subject of America.  I completely disagree with America.  It doesn't even really exist.  I don't mean that like in an existential way either.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23944443 - 12/20/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think most americans tend to disagree with america. They just don't call it america. They tend to call it Conservative or Democrat.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #23944453 - 12/20/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No I mean I am skeptical as to the existence of this supposed continent.  I mean has anyone actually seen it or is it just another plot by mainstream media to make us buy life insurance?


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InvisiblePatrickKn
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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23944584 - 12/20/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Life insurance isn't real dude, get a grip.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23944700 - 12/20/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is something I regularly do all the time. You have to know what the opposition believes in order to develop your arguments and critical thinking skills.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23945050 - 12/21/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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This is something I regularly do all the time. You have to know what the opposition believes in order to develop your arguments and critical thinking skills.





Me too.:thumbup:


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: Patlal]
    #23945123 - 12/21/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Pipelines




Fucking magnets

How do they work?


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InvisiblePatrickKn
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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: stzacrack]
    #23945125 - 12/21/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Magic nets.


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Re: Find a subject you completely disagree with and research the opposite. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23945560 - 12/21/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No I mean I am skeptical as to the existence of this supposed continent.  I mean has anyone actually seen it or is it just another plot by mainstream media to make us buy life insurance?






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