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How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies
    #23943610 - 12/20/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Guys and Gals

We've grown a reishi basket

What do we do now? How do we induce pinning?


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #23944663 - 12/20/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey OK, Not sure what your set up is but if you don't have a greenhouse/Martha type fruiting chamber you might just swap the black bag for a clear one and seal it back up and give it a light cycle.  Looks like it's starting to pin already...the surface starts getting really bumpy.  Curious as to why that spot didn't colonize.  Check out Marty's reishi grow currently in progress.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23945012 - 12/21/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Keep the RH up and give it light and it will blob no problem. But what's with the uncolonized bits? Those will contam if they aren't already.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23946236 - 12/21/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the replies!

After we posted we decided to swap the black bag for a clear one. How pleasing to see your response confirming our instincts.

Its summer here so the basket is getting roughly 12hrs of indirect sunlight.

How long should we keep the bag sealed for? I'm guessing once there is a pinset we can place the cake into regular fruiting conditions?

That spot is curious, but the whole cake was a bit of an experiment so we are thrilled to get near complete colonisation. I hope the myc will overtake whatever is slowing it down there(fingerscrossed)


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #23947579 - 12/21/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the replies!

After we posted we decided to swap the black bag for a clear one. How pleasing to see your response confirming our instincts.

Its summer here so the basket is getting roughly 12hrs of indirect sunlight.

How long should we keep the bag sealed for? I'm guessing once there is a pinset we can place the cake into regular fruiting conditions?

That spot is curious, but the whole cake was a bit of an experiment so we are thrilled to get near complete colonisation. I hope the myc will overtake whatever is slowing it down there(fingerscrossed)




If you're going for antlers, you don't really ever need to expose the substrate to "regular fruiting conditions", but if you want conks, yeah as soon as you see a pinset form and start growing a bit, that's a good time.

That uncolonized little part looks like it got too wet from all the condensation in there (which is GREAT for getting a good reishi pinset so don't think ya did anything wrong).  I'd pull out that uncolonized shit by hand though if I were you, get rid of it...


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #23947780 - 12/21/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the replies!

After we posted we decided to swap the black bag for a clear one. How pleasing to see your response confirming our instincts.

Its summer here so the basket is getting roughly 12hrs of indirect sunlight.

How long should we keep the bag sealed for? I'm guessing once there is a pinset we can place the cake into regular fruiting conditions?

That spot is curious, but the whole cake was a bit of an experiment so we are thrilled to get near complete colonisation. I hope the myc will overtake whatever is slowing it down there(fingerscrossed)




If you're going for antlers, you don't really ever need to expose the substrate to "regular fruiting conditions", but if you want conks, yeah as soon as you see a pinset form and start growing a bit, that's a good time.

That uncolonized little part looks like it got too wet from all the condensation in there (which is GREAT for getting a good reishi pinset so don't think ya did anything wrong).  I'd pull out that uncolonized shit by hand though if I were you, get rid of it...




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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23959236 - 12/26/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That myc looks beautiful!

It looks like it's trying to grow around the corner of the basket in that third pic!


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: RolledUhhp]
    #23969180 - 12/30/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How's your grow going?


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: keifnnugs]
    #23979780 - 01/03/17 07:39 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #24004381 - 01/12/17 02:52 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Hey happy people :cool:

Thanks for the replies! We have been quite busy with life and such, so this update is a little overdue.

Our little cake is looking quite different!

However there is a fuzz on the fruit bodies that we arent sure of. Is it cobweb mould? Can it be eradicated with more airflow perhaps?  Here are some pics of the fuzz and fruit... 


Does anyone have any ideas as to what the fuzz might be?

The fruit bodies have grown a little since the 7th, so we'll post more pics soon.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24004390 - 01/12/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Not cobweb. Actually looks like Ganoderma myc though mold can often grow on the fruits. At this stage you could up the FAE as your fruits are in.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24004457 - 01/12/17 03:16 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

:dancer:  :dancer:  :rockon: Thats potentially good news!

Thanks, we'll fan it a few times a day and see what that does.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24005763 - 01/12/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

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Not cobweb. Actually looks like Ganoderma myc though mold can often grow on the fruits. At this stage you could up the FAE as your fruits are in.




eeeeeeehhhhhh....  I could be wrong, but that fuzzy shit in the middle pic does not look like anything I've ever seen grow on reishi fruits.  I've never seen reishi mycelium grow all fluffy like that out of already growing fruits.

I'm gonna vote mold of some sort.  I HAVE seen mold attack the fruits before, although mine was green, never white like that, but to me that looks like mold.  Just my $.02, again, could be wrong.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #24005798 - 01/12/17 10:28 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

I will defer to Forrester then. It's not cobweb and I have also seen mold grow on Ganoderma fruits (though never lucidum). But it looks pretty organized if it is mold I wouldn't be able to guess at a genus.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24009959 - 01/14/17 02:49 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Hello peeps

Check this out , thats a pic taken this evening of the same spot which Forrester referred to. Almost all of the fuzz has disappeared after two 'fanning sessions'. Fruit bodies getting some size to them too!

Some can still be seen in the centre of the picture.

There is still some fuzz on the rest of the fruit bodies, but it seems to be retreating. What the hell is it?


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24010280 - 01/14/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

It's mold. :homerdoh3: Blast that shit off under the sink or with a hose.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: poofterFroth]
    #24012207 - 01/15/17 01:11 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Weird.  Considering how it just mostly "went away", and looking at the more recent pics, I think Pasty mighta been right the first time.  Maybe you just got a weird strain that the mycelium will grow from the fruits when there's not enough air?

Really hard to say!  Fruits look pretty healthy though.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #24012614 - 01/15/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24012820 - 01/15/17 06:39 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Sorry, not really sure what that's meant to say...  Back when I was a youngster, we used "words" to convey what we meant.  J/K bro.  But really, whaddaya mean by that?  What makes you so sure it's mold?

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I will defer to Forrester then. It's not cobweb and I have also seen mold grow on Ganoderma fruits (though never lucidum). But it looks pretty organized if it is mold I wouldn't be able to guess at a genus.




I agree totally on this - I've seen mold attack reishi fruits as well - but NEVER lucidum (and actually, never any mold that wasn't green).

Poofter - At first I was actually going to recommend what you said, wash it off, maybe wipe off with a wet towel or whatever, but I deleted that part because I wasn't entirely sure it was mold.

Pasty - what do you think now?  Considering the new developments, how it mostly disappeared but still shows, all spiky-mycelium like at the base of the white growth?

Maybe we should get Mr. Cloudy in on this one.  I find it quite curious that I've never seen this, considering how many strains/species if Ganoderma I've grown, and I haven't grown probably 1/10th what Cloudy has.

Edit:  I PM'd Cloudy - I'll bet he can set this straight.  Nobody I know has grown as much Ganoderma as he has.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #24012882 - 01/15/17 07:10 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Sorry, don't over think it dude. No offense to anyone but it seems crazy to think that growth is anything but a mold contam. It really doesn't look like reishi myc. at all to me.

IME reishi fruits and sub can absolutely grow molds and not just green molds.

I still recommend washing it. Soapy water and a soft brush work well for helping maintain clean reishi growth. I've had reishi antlers slowly maturing for 6-8 months in a fruit chamber and sometimes it's the only way to keep molds at bay for such an extended time. 

As a side note. Using hard water to mist/spray your reishi crop can also inadvertently leave a scaly residue on an otherwise perfect conk or antler.
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: poofterFroth]
    #24012885 - 01/15/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Cloudy is who I would listen to, he knows his Ganoderma for sure.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24012941 - 01/15/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

It definitely appears to be a mold of some sort to me. Especially where it is coming through the skin there. I saw something similar when I tried grafting two different species together and the graft died. Not sure what would cause it exactly.  A contaminated substrate shouldn't have been a problem, as the Ganoderma mycelium should have fought back anything. The moisture levels might be too high or perhaps not enough airflow. Too high of moisture usually leads to bacteria and lack of airflow can lead to mold. Bummer, they seem fairly healthy too in spite of the visitor.

But then of course every time I go back and look at them again I get confused.


In this photo the mycelium that is growing near the white margin looks like Ganoderma mycelium, but then look at the mycelium stuck to the sides of the antlers, definitely a grey tint there. Perhaps the only way to know for certain is to take a sample and put it on agar, then grow it out and see if it fruits Ganoderma or not.

Not sure where you got this culture from so Idk which species it is. If it is G.sessile or another species in the resinaceum clade you could check the mycelium for chlamydospores under a microscope.



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Maybe we should get Mr. Cloudy in on this one.  I find it quite curious that I've never seen this, considering how many strains/species if Ganoderma I've grown, and I haven't grown probably 1/10th what Cloudy has.

Edit:  I PM'd Cloudy - I'll bet he can set this straight.  Nobody I know has grown as much Ganoderma as he has.




:hatsoff:  I know a few people who have grown more than me, I have limited space so I have gone for variety over quantity. I have probably only grown 6 or 7 species. Though I have more than that in my collection I haven't gotten to fruiting yet.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: poofterFroth]
    #24012943 - 01/15/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Sorry, don't over think it dude. No offense to anyone but it seems crazy to think that growth is anything but a mold contam. It really doesn't look like reishi myc. at all to me.

IME reishi fruits and sub can absolutely grow molds and not just green molds.

I still recommend washing it. Soapy water and a soft brush work well for helping maintain clean reishi growth. I've had reishi antlers slowly maturing for 6-8 months in a fruit chamber and sometimes it's the only way to keep molds at bay for such an extended time.




Haha, no sorry necessary and no offense taken, but I MUST overthink it! :wink:  Gotta know these things.  I totally agree it doesn't look like reishi mycelium, but doesn't it remind you of what cubes do when they don't have enough FAE, fuzzyfeet?  Yeah, I've NEVER seen it with reishi, and don't think it's likely, hence my first stance.  But...  The way it only grows at the base of the white part, who knows? 
I'm still leaning towards a weak, white, non-sporulating, non-cobweb mold.  Just not entirely throwing out the idea it could be mycelium. 

I've grown reishi invitro in bottles with almost no FAE, and they grew for months with no mold of any type.  It wasn't until I grew G. resinaceum that I saw how the fruits could be attacked by mold pretty easily if not harvested RIGHT AWAY. 

I would agree at this point that wiping/washing it off couldn't hurt.  Doesn't seem to be rotting the fruits so if it's mold it could entirely be wiped out that way, I would think.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #24017625 - 01/17/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Hey Everyone!

Thank you so much for the great replies and comments, you are really helping a shitload.

Regarding the debate about mycelium vs mould, here are some more photos:

We have micropore slits on the 'front' side of the clear bag covering the cake, and we have noticed that the fuzz predominantly occurs on that side of the fruitbodies:

While the 'back' is relatively untouched:

Also here is confirmation that the fuzz doesnt seem to be affecting the ripe sections of the fruitbody(we havent wiped any off of the growing parts yet)


A few points:

We bought G Lucidum spawn, this cake was made from that.

Our airflow is v. low, only air exchange coming from micropore slits and now a daily fanning as well. The fuzz seems to collapse on exposure to increased airflow(from fanning) which leaves the greyish tinted (now collapsed) fuzz seen in the pics(which wipes off readily)

This cluster is looking awesome since starting fanning


And look at these two!  :heart: they have joined!


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24018876 - 01/18/17 12:17 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Thanks for responding to my PM and sharing your knowledge Cloudy!  Much appreciated.  Glad to know my initial thought of mold was likely.  But if wiping clears if off, I'd say keep doing that.  Seems to be a weak mold that isn't causing much harm, so I'd say it's not much to worry about.  Seems as if it can't penetrate the varnished parts, and the white growth parts seem to eat it.  That's what I'm seeing anyway :shrug:


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
    #24086350 - 02/13/17 01:14 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

:smile:Hello Ya'll!

We thought we would give you an update to show you all how nicely our basket is coming along.





We're very chuffed so far. Regular airing, and a bit of misting with better light seems to be working.

Does anyone know how tall they will grow?

Also, can we still get the antlers to form conks?

Big thanks to you all for helping this grow along.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24086374 - 02/13/17 01:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like you are probably growing Ganoderma sessile based on the coloration. Its a little too far along to form conks at this point. Doesn't mean you cant try of course.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24087153 - 02/13/17 12:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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:smile:Hello Ya'll!

We thought we would give you an update to show you all how nicely our basket is coming along.





We're very chuffed so far. Regular airing, and a bit of misting with better light seems to be working.

Does anyone know how tall they will grow?

Also, can we still get the antlers to form conks?

Big thanks to you all for helping this grow along.





Gorgeous mate! Good coverage!
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24087166 - 02/13/17 12:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Wow I just read through the whole thread- that's soooo interesting! I had the same thoughts- some parts looked like G mycelium but others didn't. Really great discussion!


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: TravelAgency]
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: piglet]
    #24096251 - 02/16/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #24125001 - 02/27/17 11:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Hello All!

We are humbled by your praise..

MrCloudy, we have been looking to see if we can spot the difference between G Lucidum and G Sessile, and they seem quite similar. Is G Sessile  lighter in colour?

We were hoping you could direct us to some info/pics that could help us in the future. We were certain we bought G Lucidum Grain Spawn!

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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24125215 - 02/28/17 03:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

awesome thread.  always wanted to try to grow reishi.  thanks for sharing the photos and progress, OP.


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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
    #24125382 - 02/28/17 06:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

In the wild? Typically G.lucidum does not grow in North America, while G.sessile does. G.sessile will not have a stem most of the time, where G.lucidum almost always has a stem. Microscopically, G.sessile has smooth spores while G.lucidum has rough spores.

Under cultivation, G.lucidum tends to be trickier to grow, seems prone to green mold contaminations, lucidum will tend to be shinier than G.sessile with a smoother growth form. It actually looks wet or properly lacquered

Coloration wise, G.lucidum often has a more vivid yellow, where G.sessile has more muted brownish yellows.

Here is an example of G.lucidum grown by a friend of mine



And in the wild. (Slovenia I think)




Notice how shiny they tend to be.

G.sessile cultivated





Notice they are significantly less shiny than the lucidum above.


G.sessile will also bleed a yellow resin when damaged. G.lucidum will never do this.





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10 different Ganoderma species from across the USA

AMU

MrCloudys guide to North American GanodermaUpdated A rough guide to North American Ganoderma species, with an emphasis on the laccate species.


Edited by Mrcloudy (02/28/17 06:52 AM)


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