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Pastywhyte
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: poofterFroth]
#24012885 - 01/15/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Cloudy is who I would listen to, he knows his Ganoderma for sure.
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Mrcloudy
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24012941 - 01/15/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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It definitely appears to be a mold of some sort to me. Especially where it is coming through the skin there. I saw something similar when I tried grafting two different species together and the graft died. Not sure what would cause it exactly. A contaminated substrate shouldn't have been a problem, as the Ganoderma mycelium should have fought back anything. The moisture levels might be too high or perhaps not enough airflow. Too high of moisture usually leads to bacteria and lack of airflow can lead to mold. Bummer, they seem fairly healthy too in spite of the visitor.
But then of course every time I go back and look at them again I get confused.
 In this photo the mycelium that is growing near the white margin looks like Ganoderma mycelium, but then look at the mycelium stuck to the sides of the antlers, definitely a grey tint there. Perhaps the only way to know for certain is to take a sample and put it on agar, then grow it out and see if it fruits Ganoderma or not.
Not sure where you got this culture from so Idk which species it is. If it is G.sessile or another species in the resinaceum clade you could check the mycelium for chlamydospores under a microscope.
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Maybe we should get Mr. Cloudy in on this one. I find it quite curious that I've never seen this, considering how many strains/species if Ganoderma I've grown, and I haven't grown probably 1/10th what Cloudy has.
Edit: I PM'd Cloudy - I'll bet he can set this straight. Nobody I know has grown as much Ganoderma as he has.
I know a few people who have grown more than me, I have limited space so I have gone for variety over quantity. I have probably only grown 6 or 7 species. Though I have more than that in my collection I haven't gotten to fruiting yet.
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: poofterFroth]
#24012943 - 01/15/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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poofterFroth said: Sorry, don't over think it dude. No offense to anyone but it seems crazy to think that growth is anything but a mold contam. It really doesn't look like reishi myc. at all to me.
IME reishi fruits and sub can absolutely grow molds and not just green molds.
I still recommend washing it. Soapy water and a soft brush work well for helping maintain clean reishi growth. I've had reishi antlers slowly maturing for 6-8 months in a fruit chamber and sometimes it's the only way to keep molds at bay for such an extended time.
Haha, no sorry necessary and no offense taken, but I MUST overthink it! Gotta know these things. I totally agree it doesn't look like reishi mycelium, but doesn't it remind you of what cubes do when they don't have enough FAE, fuzzyfeet? Yeah, I've NEVER seen it with reishi, and don't think it's likely, hence my first stance. But... The way it only grows at the base of the white part, who knows? I'm still leaning towards a weak, white, non-sporulating, non-cobweb mold. Just not entirely throwing out the idea it could be mycelium.
I've grown reishi invitro in bottles with almost no FAE, and they grew for months with no mold of any type. It wasn't until I grew G. resinaceum that I saw how the fruits could be attacked by mold pretty easily if not harvested RIGHT AWAY.
I would agree at this point that wiping/washing it off couldn't hurt. Doesn't seem to be rotting the fruits so if it's mold it could entirely be wiped out that way, I would think.
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
#24017625 - 01/17/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Hey Everyone!
Thank you so much for the great replies and comments, you are really helping a shitload.
Regarding the debate about mycelium vs mould, here are some more photos:
We have micropore slits on the 'front' side of the clear bag covering the cake, and we have noticed that the fuzz predominantly occurs on that side of the fruitbodies: 
While the 'back' is relatively untouched:
Also here is confirmation that the fuzz doesnt seem to be affecting the ripe sections of the fruitbody(we havent wiped any off of the growing parts yet)
 
A few points:
We bought G Lucidum spawn, this cake was made from that.
Our airflow is v. low, only air exchange coming from micropore slits and now a daily fanning as well. The fuzz seems to collapse on exposure to increased airflow(from fanning) which leaves the greyish tinted (now collapsed) fuzz seen in the pics(which wipes off readily)
This cluster is looking awesome since starting fanning

And look at these two! they have joined!

Shanana!
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
#24018876 - 01/18/17 12:17 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks for responding to my PM and sharing your knowledge Cloudy! Much appreciated. Glad to know my initial thought of mold was likely. But if wiping clears if off, I'd say keep doing that. Seems to be a weak mold that isn't causing much harm, so I'd say it's not much to worry about. Seems as if it can't penetrate the varnished parts, and the white growth parts seem to eat it. That's what I'm seeing anyway
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Forrester]
#24086350 - 02/13/17 01:14 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello Ya'll!
We thought we would give you an update to show you all how nicely our basket is coming along.



We're very chuffed so far. Regular airing, and a bit of misting with better light seems to be working.
Does anyone know how tall they will grow?
Also, can we still get the antlers to form conks?
Big thanks to you all for helping this grow along.
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
#24086374 - 02/13/17 01:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks like you are probably growing Ganoderma sessile based on the coloration. Its a little too far along to form conks at this point. Doesn't mean you cant try of course.
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
#24087153 - 02/13/17 12:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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OysterKing said:
Hello Ya'll!
We thought we would give you an update to show you all how nicely our basket is coming along.



We're very chuffed so far. Regular airing, and a bit of misting with better light seems to be working.
Does anyone know how tall they will grow?
Also, can we still get the antlers to form conks?
Big thanks to you all for helping this grow along.
Gorgeous mate! Good coverage!
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: TravelAgency]
#24087166 - 02/13/17 12:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow I just read through the whole thread- that's soooo interesting! I had the same thoughts- some parts looked like G mycelium but others didn't. Really great discussion!
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: TravelAgency]
#24094905 - 02/16/17 09:35 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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very nice!
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: piglet]
#24096251 - 02/16/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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WOOT for using a basket! Looks awesome.
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: Mrcloudy]
#24125001 - 02/27/17 11:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello All!
We are humbled by your praise..
MrCloudy, we have been looking to see if we can spot the difference between G Lucidum and G Sessile, and they seem quite similar. Is G Sessile lighter in colour?
We were hoping you could direct us to some info/pics that could help us in the future. We were certain we bought G Lucidum Grain Spawn!
Cheers!
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
#24125215 - 02/28/17 03:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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awesome thread. always wanted to try to grow reishi. thanks for sharing the photos and progress, OP.
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Mrcloudy
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Re: How to get Reishi mycelium to form fruit bodies [Re: OysterKing]
#24125382 - 02/28/17 06:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the wild? Typically G.lucidum does not grow in North America, while G.sessile does. G.sessile will not have a stem most of the time, where G.lucidum almost always has a stem. Microscopically, G.sessile has smooth spores while G.lucidum has rough spores.
Under cultivation, G.lucidum tends to be trickier to grow, seems prone to green mold contaminations, lucidum will tend to be shinier than G.sessile with a smoother growth form. It actually looks wet or properly lacquered
Coloration wise, G.lucidum often has a more vivid yellow, where G.sessile has more muted brownish yellows.
Here is an example of G.lucidum grown by a friend of mine

And in the wild. (Slovenia I think)

Notice how shiny they tend to be.
G.sessile cultivated


Notice they are significantly less shiny than the lucidum above.
G.sessile will also bleed a yellow resin when damaged. G.lucidum will never do this.

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Edited by Mrcloudy (02/28/17 06:52 AM)
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