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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Always being right [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23944249 - 12/20/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

not everyone has the same potential for meaning, however.


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Re: Always being right [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23944256 - 12/20/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

For me, abortion is always the best argument against moral objectivity, or a One Truth, or anything like that. In my opinion, abortion is murder. You had two chances to make it stop, a condom/birth control, and also Plan B

But IMO, bringing a child into the world that you know for a fact won't be cared for is WORSE than murder. Thats right, in my search for my own personal morality, I've decided that unwanted life is worse than death. And I'm totally fine with you considering that idea reprehensible, if you did. Its been a complicated journey to come to that conclusion. Unlike most pro-choice people, I'm fundamentally against abortion, especially past the first trimester. But what I'm more opposed to is perpetuation of a system of poverty and crime that has corroded every single thing we hold dear

And I'm constantly open to changing that opinion. Which I feel like most people say they are, but deep down will probably never change their opinion on anything. Except super right-wing christians, they are actually openly ignorant, which is in of itself kind of impressive


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Re: Always being right [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23944292 - 12/20/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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not everyone has the same potential for meaning, however.




Right.  We live within a dominance hierarchy.  It is essential to know where you are in the hierarchy and how it relates to your potential.  If these are not in harmony, you become depressed.  It's all in the video.

The dominance hierarchy, he says, goes back 10s of millions of years.  Jung was a Darwinist.  Peterson says he was more of a Darwinist than Dawkins, because I guess, Jung and Darwin were spiritually allied, so to speak.  Maybe a shared awe of the forces we don't understand.  I haven't read either (Jung or Darwin (or Nietzsche for that matter)), but it's all in the video. .


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Re: Always being right [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23944335 - 12/20/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Neuro-scientists have discovered that the decision-making part of your brain is active prior to the part associated with the ego.  The decision is made before you are conscious of the decision.




In a lab full of randoms maybe.

When it comes time for me to make a decision, I take as much time as practical.
Either focusing on pranayama and stilling my mind, before considering, which takes maybe 10seconds to reset all the gears.
Or sleeping on it and coming back to the idea many times from various perspectives.

The only exceptions are petty issues which require no extra thought, or tasks where you're forced to act immediately.

The majority of people may think on reflex, but your mind is not limited to doing so, you can train it.




Your mind is limited in that way.  The petty decisions count toward or against your consciousness.  Every decision does. 

In these larger decisions you talk about, you are reasoning them, sure.  But also what you are doing is deciding not to decide right away, because of feelings. 

It is about training your mind in a way.  Trying to be as conscientious as possible is a huge undertaking.  It causes you to examine everything you believe and everything you do.




Well the initial decision to pull your mind together is a rejection of instinctive decision making, stemming from a well thought out habit extending beyond the situation. So you're not reacting emotionally, you're acting as a conscious individual, from your meta perspective.

That being said I think we're largely in agreement.

Also worth pointing out that Ive been pretty washed up for awhile,  thinking instinctively and making mistakes willy nilly :lol:


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Re: Always being right [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23944360 - 12/20/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We're all corrupted.  It's part of our duality.  If we didn't know what evil was, we wouldn't know to avoid it.  When you are innocent, you have yet to learn about evil. 

If you are struggling, I would suggest writing it out...lock yourself in a room and begin writing about your ideal future.  Then about your worst horrific possible outcome.  This is a practice Peterson calls re-alignment.  He has a whole program on the web.  Costs $10. 

I've been keeping a to do list to help motivate me toward my goals.


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


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Re: Always being right [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23944370 - 12/20/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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And I'm constantly open to changing that opinion. Which I feel like most people say they are, but deep down will probably never change their opinion on anything. Except super right-wing christians, they are actually openly ignorant, which is in of itself kind of impressive




Interestingly enough I have beliefs which Im not open to changing, on rare occasion I may seriously reconsider them.
I dont pretend to be open minded though, there are many things Im open to, but not everything.

Its controversial to say such a thing in our philisophically materialist-nihilist society (not a derogative label) but at some point you have to commit to an idea for it to bear fruit. Its a double edged blade which leads to delusion or deeper understanding, but if one never throws the dice they've already forfeit the prize.


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I think its a mistake to attempt to ferret out some absolute truth, men have been trying since we could talk and nobody has come up with a satisfactory conclusion




You havent found a conclusion to be satisfactory, I think there are a few nearly parallel philosophies which are.
My own thinking draws from different sources, and reinterprets them, but for the most part Im an orthodox thinker.


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Re: Always being right [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23944375 - 12/20/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We're all corrupted.  It's part of our duality.  If we didn't know what evil was, we wouldn't know to avoid it.  When you are innocent, you have yet to learn about evil. 

If you are struggling, I would suggest writing it out...lock yourself in a room and begin writing about your ideal future.  Then about your worst horrific possible outcome.  This is a practice Peterson calls re-alignment.  He has a whole program on the web.  Costs $10. 

I've been keeping a to do list to help motivate me toward my goals.




Agree, I made a thread before about the omnioptence of corruption, its inevitable in this world imo.

Writing out problems can help, Ive done that several times today as its a regular habit and today was rough.
Although there is little mystery in my mind, few questions, the issue now has become action


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Re: Always being right [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23944391 - 12/20/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There's a lot at stake brother.


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


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