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bloodsheen
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Always being right 2
#23943078 - 12/20/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its of course ubiquitous on the internet, but in studying people who seem to have to always be right I've gleaned a few things
I think part of the problem is how people make decisions. If you start to doubt a single one of your decisions, how can you be confident in ANY of your deicions? If you can study something, come to a rationed conclusion, then be wrong, how the fuck can you trust anything about yourself at all?!
Which I think actually boils down to a deep-seated belief in humanity that there is always a "right" and "wrong." And I don't even mean morality.
For instance, lets say you get addicted to heroin, your addiction gets way out of hand, then you go to rehab. While in rehab you meet a girl, and for once that kind of relationship works out. You get married, have 2 1/2 kids, the whole shabang. So you say to yourself "Wow, I'm so glad I got addicted to drugs, I learned a lot of strength from the experience and met my life partner."
Which is just a justification so you never made a mistake. No matter how far in the future you are, you can look back and even after like ten fucking years say "Yup, it was all worth it."
Or maybe I'm just a pessimistic asshole and have to find something shitty about everything
I don't think there are any solutions to this, its part of human nature. But still, discuss intelligently
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I'm always right, because the universe is always right. no free will = no regrets
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I'm never wrong. I thought I was once, but I was mistaken.
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Re: Always being right [Re: thebug76]
#23943133 - 12/20/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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thebug76 said: I'm never wrong. I thought I was once, but I was mistaken.
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thebug76
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I totally feel you tho OP. anything can be justified when looking back, but on the same note, we look back and often say "I wish I hadn't done that".
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I admit that Im wrong pretty frequently, on here and in person
Its a healthy practice, I think people are often afraid of looking weak but in practice, being able to admit that you're wrong is a show of fortitude... assuming one doesnt grovel or apologize unnecessarily
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bloodsheen said:
For instance, lets say you get addicted to heroin, your addiction gets way out of hand, then you go to rehab. While in rehab you meet a girl, and for once that kind of relationship works out. You get married, have 2 1/2 kids, the whole shabang. So you say to yourself "Wow, I'm so glad I got addicted to drugs, I learned a lot of strength from the experience and met my life partner."
Which is just a justification so you never made a mistake. No matter how far in the future you are, you can look back and even after like ten fucking years say "Yup, it was all worth it."
Yeah I agree and have found myself doing this
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there's a thread in P&S that broaches the issue of pride in conjunction with conditioning, including "being right and wrong"
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Re: Always being right [Re: demiu5]
#23943251 - 12/20/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That forum is nauseatingly pedantic
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Re: Always being right [Re: demiu5]
#23943278 - 12/20/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well first U'd have to establish whats right and wrong. I mean right and wrong seems to be subjective. Whats normally right for someone mite be totally wrong to someone else. I mean if you think your always right I willing to bet your not. I mean thinking everything youve ever done or even most of seems egotistical and vain. Its not always black and white. Doing a rightious or jus thing in one place doesnt always mean you didnt wrong something else at the same time. Also in your example were u always right or did u grow from a mistake of gettign in trouble with excessive drug use?
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It's called being an optimist. I made mistakes, I fucked up in the past, but, thanks to those mistakes, I'm now in the most comfortable position i've been in my life. SO, you know, all a matter of perspective.
Right now, I'm going through some nasty depression. I just want to hibernate until march.
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I mean if you admit its a mistake were u always right? Is saying your always right being an optimist or is that being delusional?
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Well first U'd have to establish whats right and wrong. I mean right and wrong seems to be subjective. Whats normally right for someone mite be totally wrong to someone else. I mean if you think your always right I willing to bet your not. I mean thinking everything youve ever done or even most of seems egotistical and vain. Its not always black and white. Doing a rightious or jus thing in one place doesnt always mean you didnt wrong something else at the same time. Also in your example were u always right or did u grow from a mistake of gettign in trouble with excessive drug use?
See, that's the trick there, learning from your mistakes. It doesn't mean we weren't wrong in the first place, but that we were able to see the light in it at the end.
By all means, make mistakes, it's part of the learning process. When you do, own them fuckers. Learn what went wrong and do better next time.
Some of the mistakes I've made, I'm glad I made. They made me a better person and I'm sure certain aspects of my life would be different otherwise.
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There are very few things that are truly wrong in the grand scheme of things. We all learn. But not admitting you can be wrong is detrimental to learning.
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CookieCrumbs said: There are very few things that are truly wrong in the grand scheme of things. We all learn. But not admitting you can be wrong is detrimental to learning.
Thats kinda what I was getting at. The mistakes I made in my last relationship, there is NO WAY I could have learned them any other way. Some shit you just can't be told. I could look back and point out all of her mistakes without pointing out my own, but thats just stupid and weak.
I hear people talk about their lives at work, and a couple of them act like they're the greatest victim in modern times. No, actually you're just a fucking asshole and you make people hate you with your shitty behavior, and when people hate you they do shitty things to you. Not complicated!
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To be fair you can just work with a bunch of assholes
"Yae were they assholes, and they did congregate, and there was much defecation" ~ Carl Sagan
Edited by Repertoire89 (12/20/16 01:09 PM)
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demiu5
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Well first U'd have to establish whats right and wrong. I mean right and wrong seems to be subjective. Whats normally right for someone mite be totally wrong to someone else. I mean if you think your always right I willing to bet your not. I mean thinking everything youve ever done or even most of seems egotistical and vain. Its not always black and white. Doing a rightious or jus thing in one place doesnt always mean you didnt wrong something else at the same time. Also in your example were u always right or did u grow from a mistake of gettign in trouble with excessive drug use?
my approach in one of the posts of that thread mentioned was more from a historical/fact-based and scientific/mathematic view of right and wrong. not morally or emotionally
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He was always known for saying stuff like that. Also billions of years
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bloodsheen said: He was always known for saying stuff like that. Also billions of years
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Morality isn't completely subjective. Despite the wide range of experience spread among the human domain, similar moral judgments are made across cultures. They evolve over time under different frameworks such as religion, which is really the study and examination of our morality.
When we discover a moral truth, it resonates and becomes mythical and archetypal. And so it is absorbed by the culture while at the same time being refined and evolving through time.
No one can always be right. Everyone is corrupted in one way or another. Without experiencing wrong behavior, we wouldn't know it was wrong. Being able to recognize those feelings and to consciously make right and wrong decisions is what is essential to (and from) our nature.
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