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Adding and taking away
    #23942829 - 12/20/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have been pondering for sometime the formal philosophy of mathematics and how it impacts on the fundamental understanding of all things.
About a decade ago, I read a book entitled  Physics and Philosophy. by Sir Jeans written in 1943(seen here:
https://archive.org/details/physicsandphilos031647mbp )

From what I remember, the simple question why does 1+1= 2 was answered by stating : humans have the preingrained concept (a priori. )and ability to quantify.
This was a novel concept to me, as I did math in a route fashion..never really asking why. Trust me your basic polynomial puts me in fits....I am far from a mathematician.


With the above said, it would be interesting to ponder:

- Does one believe there is knowledge outside the ability to quantify?(a chance that quantitative thought is not as "accurate" as we surmise?)
- If so, wouldn't the only possible conclusion.... the basis for physics, math, carbon dating, etc be laid by the wayside?
Any comments would be appreciated.


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Re: Adding and taking away [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #23943063 - 12/20/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Humans are observers and we developed science.  Quantifying is fun.

I was thinking the other day that the entire idea of math is about wholes.  Ya sure a portion can be figured but it's still all about wholes.

Suppose chaos is a bit different?

We need facts to figure anything.  That's where the fun sorta ends for me.  It's easy if all the figures are there and there is a whole.  Without some whole figures there is no way to see a bigger picture.


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Re: Adding and taking away [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23943731 - 12/20/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Things do get interesting....take example the number one. It is the beginning of all numbers.
It is also independent yet contained in every other number.

Well I guess zero can be considered a real number....yet it represents "nothing". We as humans have
to represent the true absence of anything with a symbol (zero)....which is something.....

Quantifying things in a formal system...still interested to see others take on this.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Adding and taking away [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #23943735 - 12/20/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Zero doesn't always mean nothing.  In computer programming zero is the first so it's kinda like 1.  In math zero is nothing unless you divide by zero, then it equals infinity.


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