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Public Health is a fucking fraud 4
#23943009 - 12/20/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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To anyone with real issues, you sign up for a meeting with a psychiatrist. Instead, they put you through multiple therapist visits over the course of 3 weeks before you even get to speak with someone who finished med school. All because youre on Medicaid.
Thats not reason enough to bitch but this is: each of those therapist meetings costs the taxpayer, so these psychiatric units are essentially juicing the system for all its worth at the expense of the patients time and wellbeing.
If you have private premium insurance you can make a call and see a pdoc tomorow. The poor have to suffer and not only that but burden the taxpayer futher by the system-leech that is modern Medicaid.
I used to be all for it but I can now see that its supremely broken.
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: ModestMouse]
#23943033 - 12/20/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just go to the ER, say you are suicidal. They will whisk you away to the funny farm. The next day you will see an MD. He or she will put you on 12 drugs.
A social worker will sign you up for benefits. You will see a doctor for a long ass time after that!
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: ModestMouse]
#23943041 - 12/20/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, I could go on and on and on about this shit. I'll just give two cents, literally lol.
-At state-funded health clinics in florida, they offer translation(like sign language) services to people. When I had clinical there, they had a pt. come in, (really late) for her appt, and had two kids. She just wanted a physical. The company hired 3 translators. 3! And because they hire a translator, they have to see that person first. So, although, there had been people on time for there appt, they literally had to wait an extra two hours, because of this chick and the messed up healthcare system. SO they paid 3x the amount they needed to, to begin with, and screwed over other people who had problems(like a mom with newborn baby with fever), just for this woman's two physicals. Anyway, that's taxpayer money. lol -ALso, there's such bs "health promotion" projects such as fluoridation of water. 1. Like the gov would giv a shit enough to prevent cavities? THat's like such a petty thing and the biggest bullshit gimmic ever> 2. The CDC admits they have no evidence to suggest ingesting fluoride actually helps with preventing cavities. 3. Cavity rates in fluoridated countries are negligibly different than those non-fluoridated.
Okay, one more. -At a diff clinical in long term care, our taxpayer money goes str8 to pharms pockets. These people are all braindead and are kept alive by a combination of drugs. They sit there, do nothing all day, most have to be fed, groomed, bathed, teeth brushed, everything. They're zombies, and we pay for them to be taken care of and to have tons of drugs just shoved into their body every day. This might just be me, but I'd rather put that money into low socioeconomic areas.
Anyway, these are just a few, of MANY, MANY, MANY examples to how our system is FUCKED UP.
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23943045 - 12/20/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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See thats the problem isn't it? Its not just cracked, its BROKEN. But if your TV breaks, do you just throw it out and not have a TV anymore? No, you do some research online, see whats new and cool, find the best deal, boom, you got a new TV.
The irony is this beaurcracy was built to SAVE money. They figured, put a bunch of pions who don't make jack shit between the patient and the real doctor. Some will give up, some will be told to STFU and go home, and slowly but surely the real crazy people get to the end of the race.
Not how it worked out in the least, but that was the plan
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: bloodsheen]
#23943069 - 12/20/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Youre absolutely right.in practice it is causing severe issues especially with substance abuse and suicidal depression anxiety.
Lets say I have anxiety. Youre going to make me open up to three seperate people before I see someone who can offer immediate relief? What are the odds I can fufil that?
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: ModestMouse]
#23943084 - 12/20/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Youre absolutely right.in practice it is causing severe issues especially with substance abuse and suicidal depression anxiety.
Lets say I have anxiety. Youre going to make me open up to three seperate people before I see someone who can offer immediate relief? What are the odds I can fufil that?
Right?! Its like they're imagining some guy with mild chronic pain sloging from appointment to appointment, but since it will offer relief in the future he goes through it. Sometimes I can think about wanting help for my depression, then three days later I'm like "Fuck it, I'm just an asshole I don't need fucking help." After three weeks of bullshit? I could totally see just giving up
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: ModestMouse]
#23943091 - 12/20/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see how this is any different than having regular insurance. Most insurance makes you go to your PCP to get permission to go to any specialist or mental health provider
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: koods]
#23943109 - 12/20/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Idk, koods. My friend has anxiety, and he almost can't stop them from pushing xanax and other shit. He has clearly said, bunch of time, he doesn't want it. But everytime he goes to doc, they keep trying to make him take it. Most recently, he went to er for a panic attack, and if he wanted to, could've gotten xanax, and script to go home with. They kept pushin it, I was honestly surprised to see how hard the doc was doin so. And his results were completely normal, ekg, everything. Seems to me, almost anyone could've done that for a script, if they really wanted to. Didn't have to see anyone. He ended up walkin away with a script of some antihistamine. Probably a placebo. Idk But it went down from xanax, to lexapro(an antidepressent), to eventually the antihistamine(because he didn't want the others) for his anxiety. And he could've just walked away with that crap. it's such a joke.
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: camerinkw]
#23943172 - 12/20/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that was OP's original point, he doesn't want to have pills shoved down his throat, he wants actual help. Its like when you don't have drug-seeking behavior they look at you like "Hm, what are you up to fella? Whats your game?"
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23943181 - 12/20/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's been increasing reports of pharmaceutical companies fixing and raising prices. Epi pens got to be like 600, and there was an investigation. If you're poor and on medicaid, docs hate dealing with that insurance bc it takes a long while to get paid, other premium insurance coverages - not so much. Some docs don't even take medicaid or medicare. The people on the gov health line assured me that the plan they gave me was great and that even still medicare was fine now bc of obamacare - not the case lol. My plan was an hmo from a seperate company and turns out hmo plans are shit because you can only select doctors in your network, and not someone perhaps more skilled or knowledgable.
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Re: Public Health is a fucking fraud [Re: koods] 2
#23943496 - 12/20/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I don't see how this is any different than having regular insurance. Most insurance makes you go to your PCP to get permission to go to any specialist or mental health provider
In 2008, I tried to kill myself. All I had to do was walk in anyplace, flash my United Healthcare card, and I could have anything I wanted. Now, if I could afford insurance, it would have to be an HMO plan because the PPO's are way out of reach. The HMO would require me to at least see a primary who would then refer me to someone and they have to be in network. I've been seeing my therapist for 8 years. She knows me better than I do. If she's not on that plan, well, I'm fucked having to find another therapist that I can actually feel comfortable opening up to.
Mental illness is the most underfunded disease in the world, and that's a fact, jack.
I think that, before we get mad at the insurance companies, we need to take a look at how mental illness is treated here. If you tell most people you have a mental illness, you will be stigmatized, so most people don't seek help, and I don't blame them. You're branded forever once you set foot in a psychiatrist's office. When we finally acknowledge that someone has a mental illness, we brush it off like that person is sad that McDonald's is out of McFlurries. "Buck up", "Get over it", or my personal favorite, "It gets better". If you happen to make it through all of that and get into a hospital, it's fucking hell on fucking earth. It's like being in a prison. You're not allowed to leave your tiny little pod. If you act up, you get tossed in the big room with no mattress, no blanket, no toilet, and a light that never turns off. You're constantly watched and everything is designed so you don't kill yourself. That steals a person's dignity. Like, you can't trust me to even fucking shower alone, do you? How is a person supposed to get better when no one trusts them enough to leave them alone and figure shit out? How is a person supposed to get better when you rob them of every inch of their dignity?
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ShroomerInTheRye said: I think that, before we get mad at the insurance companies, we need to take a look at how mental illness is treated here. If you tell most people you have a mental illness, you will be stigmatized, so most people don't seek help, and I don't blame them. You're branded forever once you set foot in a psychiatrist's office. When we finally acknowledge that someone has a mental illness, we brush it off like that person is sad that McDonald's is out of McFlurries. "Buck up", "Get over it", or my personal favorite, "It gets better". If you happen to make it through all of that and get into a hospital, it's fucking hell on fucking earth. It's like being in a prison. You're not allowed to leave your tiny little pod. If you act up, you get tossed in the big room with no mattress, no blanket, no toilet, and a light that never turns off. You're constantly watched and everything is designed so you don't kill yourself. That steals a person's dignity. Like, you can't trust me to even fucking shower alone, do you? How is a person supposed to get better when no one trusts them enough to leave them alone and figure shit out? How is a person supposed to get better when you rob them of every inch of their dignity?
I'm not normally the type to recommend a book, but I think its one you'd really really appreciate. Its an autobiography called The Center Cannot Hold
https://www.amazon.com/Center-Cannot-Hold-Journey-Through/dp/1401309445
It chronicles an exceptionally mentally ill but insanely brilliant woman's dealings with the mental health system in two different countries. We are absolutely disguisting to them here, its totally different in Europe. I actually recommend this book because its fucking compelling to anyone whos suffered from mental illness, but it just so happened to be super relevant
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