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My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice.
    #23942603 - 12/20/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hello fellow mushroom enthausiasts.

I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to shrooms so bare with me.
I fan dried my fresh shrooms for a day and they went from 100grams to 23 grams. To get the rest of the water out i tried to place them into an airtight container with a homemade desiccant. (not in the fridge :sad: )
The next day the shrooms were still moist for some reason and smelled more shroomy, almost bad. Fortunately there was no mould or anything. I've read that you can put fresh shrooms in a freezer with lemon juice so that the active compounds are stored in the lemons acid or something. That's what i just did minutes ago. So my questions is: Will it work? Is it possible that i might have lost some of the active compounds overnight? How long can i store them this way? Thank's in advance.


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: gatojin]
    #23942660 - 12/20/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: gatojin]
    #23942674 - 12/20/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: amidogen]
    #23942799 - 12/20/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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dehydrators with heat lock in potency. Potency loss is largely attributed to degradation of psilocybin by enzymes in the mushrooms (not heat)



Sorry but this is bad information!!
Oxidation is the biggest factor in degradation, but when you also add heat this process is accelerated!
Heat does NOT lock in potency. LESS exposure to oxygen BEST helps maintain potency.
With that being said, heat does kind of help keep the potency but ONLY because the shrooms have less exposure to oxygen which is most detrimental!


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg] * 2
    #23942812 - 12/20/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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dehydrators with heat lock in potency. Potency loss is largely attributed to degradation of psilocybin by enzymes in the mushrooms (not heat)



Sorry but this is bad information!!
Oxidation is the biggest factor in degradation, but when you also add heat this process is accelerated!
Heat does NOT lock in potency. LESS exposure to oxygen BEST helps maintain potency.
With that being said, heat does kind of help keep the potency but ONLY because the shrooms have less exposure to oxygen which is most detrimental!



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Oxidation just means the exchange of electrons. Sometimes this is done with oxygen, but not in the case of psilocin. It's actually oxidizing because of hydrogen [H+] the air is actually mostly H2, O2, N2, etc, which in natural state are pretty stable and shouldn't cause too much potency loss, if at all. Enzymes breaking things down are where the OH- comes from. Enzymes are activated due to water, so yes water is partially the reason why it's breaking down. Although it's actually because of the enzymes. Enzymes also can be denatured at temps past 140. So realistically dehydrators turned to max are the absolute best at preserving potency. They denature the enzymes as well as dry the fruits to cracker dry ASAP.

The water in the air can start reactivating enzymes if its exposed to open air long enough. So yeah water is the reason, and not at all O2. Here's a cool pic of the oxidation, notice there's less hydrogen:





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Oxygen and heat will quickly degrade psilocin into ineffective compounds. Psilocin is so sensitive to oxygen, that when picking mushrooms, the stems quickly bruise bluish to dark black.



Did you like not read the post above this? Let me break this shit down.

Psilocin oxidation involves the exchange of electrons. In this case hydrogen NOT oxygen.

Psilocin has a melting point of 350°F. Heat DOESN'T break it down. Actually the heat in a dehydrator (140+) helps maintain potency by denaturing enzymes (the reducing agents in this case)

Also show me the proof that 5mg of psilocin per 10g of fruit body is causing the entire fruit body to turn blue/black. Hint: mushrooms contain a quinone, a pigment that turns blue when digested by enzymes. It also has an alternating double and single bond that trap the wavelengths used to determine why they bruise

Honestly getting tired of saying this shit over and over again.



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It still hasn't been scientifically proven what causes bruising, but the wavelengths caught are the same as a quinone, and it's in mushrooms, they just haven't actually proven quinones are the cause of it. This shit comes from the 60s research. I really can't find the article on the 60s research right now. I'm in a rush, but here's the thread we really hashed out bruising, psilocin/potency, and links and what not to other bruising mushrooms, and how various pigments getting digested by enzymes cause them to bruise.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23667461#23667461




This has been very thoroughly discussed lol.

Also proven because you can leave fruits in a dehydrator for 48+ hours and see no potency loss.


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: gatojin]
    #23942826 - 12/20/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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gatojin said: 100grams to 23 grams. (..) homemade desiccant.




100g wet should dry to 10g if not less. id execpt 100g wet to dry to about 8-9g dry. IME

ive got to know what homemade desiccant is.

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Also proven because you can leave fruits in a dehydrator for 48+ hours and see no potency loss.




yes.

dried 36hours.

dont remember wet weight but it dried to 3.8~ over 36hrs. stored for 3 months.
ate the other day. i turned into a empty glass of orange juice.


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23942919 - 12/20/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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dehydrators with heat lock in potency. Potency loss is largely attributed to degradation of psilocybin by enzymes in the mushrooms (not heat)



Sorry but this is bad information!!
Oxidation is the biggest factor in degradation, but when you also add heat this process is accelerated!
Heat does NOT lock in potency. LESS exposure to oxygen BEST helps maintain potency.
With that being said, heat does kind of help keep the potency but ONLY because the shrooms have less exposure to oxygen which is most detrimental!



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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: mushboy]
    #23943011 - 12/20/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for the bad info.
Thanks for the read, I'm totally lost now.....
Why are we not drying them at much higher temperatures then?
Would that not incur less oxidation?
The way I interpret what you posted is....
I can dehydrate mushrooms at ANY temperature above 140 F.
Once they are dry I could potentially leave them in the dehydrator forever without any potency loss, as long as the temp stays above 140 F keeping the enzymes denatured??


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23943044 - 12/20/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Enzymes don't renature after being denatured


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23943046 - 12/20/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Where is all this evidence that suggests that
"dehydrators with heat LOCK in potency"
This implies there is ZERO potency loss, which is bullshit.


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23943051 - 12/20/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Where is all this evidence that suggests that
"dehydrators with heat LOCK in potency"
This implies there is ZERO potency loss, which is bullshit.




'lock in' as in stop the loss as quickly as possible after harvest.

high heat really fast right after harvest. i pick and load on dehydrator trays.
no cleaning no nothing. substrate comes off easily when its dry imo


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23943056 - 12/20/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the thorough discussion in here guys, I'm looking forward to buying a dehydrator. Tomorrow i will consume some of that lemon goo and report back if it worked, for future reference!


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23943075 - 12/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: amidogen]
    #23943077 - 12/20/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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was gonna show us all by dehydrating them at 180 and then telling us how it went.




who da f was that. :rofl:
i could of told him that 10 years ago. people are silly. i hope he ate like 10g dry


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: mushboy]
    #23943089 - 12/20/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: wolfedawwg]
    #23943106 - 12/20/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Where is all this evidence that suggests that
"dehydrators with heat LOCK in potency"
This implies there is ZERO potency loss, which is bullshit.



Is it? Is it really? Who's done the tests to prove psilocin degrades away during dehydration in a dehydrator for a day or so? Psilocin is actually more stable than LSD and that shit sure can take quite a bit of abuse.

I've been itching for a spectrometer so we can finally once and for all get to the conclusion of everything instead of everyone speculating shit.


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23943187 - 12/20/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Is there a sop for spectrophotometry of mushrooms to determine psilocybin and psilocin?


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Re: My half dried shrooms started smelling kinda bad so i put them in the freezer w/ some lemon juice. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23943233 - 12/20/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It should be the exact same as with most determinations of concentrations. Find the best wavelength for absorbance and calculate concentration through the absorbance. I have yet to find if they have different wavelengths but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out the transmittance/absorbance of them (all done by a spectrometer), but it would definitely tell if there's a quinone in there. Serotonin apparently has around a 600nm wavelength while quinones are 650-700.

So you basically start off with a blank to calibrate the machine, and then measure the light through a sample of water used to extract the actives of both dried through dehydrator and fresh fruits. Find the wavelengths that are at the highest points, and if there's a couple near 600nm from both dried/fresh samples we can at least have an idea that there's more than just psilocybin in it, then measure the absorbance and ta-da you can calculate concentrations. Then compare and you should be able to determine if any was lost, going to have to be a bunch of samples as well, and I'd measure the average between all the samples.

From there you should have an idea what one is which from the data recovered before on concentrations


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