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Re: Buddhism against hallucinogens [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #23973062 - 01/01/17 01:33 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I am a "recent convert" to Buddhism. I don't consider my trips to be "intoxication", and the vow names three specific drugs by name, which we have no translation for.

More importantly, there are no commandments in Buddhism.  There is a dialogue and a process.


You can drink tea to meditate for an hour if you can't do it without, whats the problem with me taking a mushroom tea so i can perform three hours of powerful meditation in one sitting, with little experience?  It's changing my every day behavior as well, in very positive ways.


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Re: Buddhism against hallucinogens [Re: Aik]
    #23973091 - 01/01/17 01:45 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Aik said:
I respect Buddhism and consider it the purest religion. I started admiring Buddhism after my multiple experiences with psilocybin. What bothers me is that  Buddhists have negative views on hallucinogens. When Dalai Lama was asked about the use of hallucinogens for spiritual growth, he replied by saying that they create illusions and that we don't need more illusions as we already have plenty. It should be taken into account that he has no personal experience with hallucinogens. However, nearly all Buddhism practitioners including some that have some personal experience have similar views. Of course, it could be argued that hallucinogens can be used in many different ways and that these people had negative or superficial experiences. Generally, it seems that the negative view on hallucinogens comes from the no intoxication precept that prohibits any kind of intoxication that results in carelessness. It could be also argued that tripping on some hallucinogens does not count as intoxication.

The Buddhist view changed my views on shrooms. I am not sure whether to continues using them or not. Any ideas?




Lots of different flavors of Buddhism out there.  If you go to the origins of, for instance, Tibetan Buddhism with it's much more tantric orientation, hallucinogenics were most definitely a component of the practice of the ascetics going back to people like Milarepa for instance.  He lived off of "herbs" in the mountains for decades in total darkness and before he began his serious practice was a dark arts sorcerer very familiar with hallucinogenics.

I think Buddhism, like all organized religion, as they became more popular, created rules and boundaries in order for the teaching to the masses.  Tibetan Buddhism and it's more secret esoteric practices have remained hidden and are only accessible to monks that reach a very high level of attainment.

Using things like chanting, mantras, breathing techniques and visualization are practices to open gateways in the mind and stir kundalini.  No reason why plants would be any more or less extreme.  It all depends on HOW you do it and HOW MUCH you use, of course.


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"The universe is endless, limitless and infinite.  Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance.  We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end.  There is only memory.  Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends.  Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations.  Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death."

-- Ancient Taoist Master


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