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Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador)
#23940445 - 12/19/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So there are many oddities coming from the near instantaneous investigations that determined this an act of terror.
The media has already determined the motives before any investigations. Propaganda? The media claims they do not show uncensored photos of famous murdered people but they are showing the ambassadors body uncensored.
Sold narratives conveniently fit agendas being pushed in western media markets.
Lack of blood from supposed fatal gun wounds.
Just a friendly reminder that when breaking news breaks and the media is already solving the crimes it is likely the product of a false conclusion used to politicize an event
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin]
#23940453 - 12/19/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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you could say it's odd but this is their job u know
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: DualWieldRake]
#23940461 - 12/19/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DualWieldRake said: you could say it's odd but this is their job u know
I was being facetious
If this was the first event that fits this mold to the T then t would be simply coincidence.
However when the media begins to repeat narratives and molds used to push non fact checked conclusions and solves a crime the day it happens then the informed reader knows the media motives are non genuine.
What official reports and investigations have occurred?
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin]
#23940493 - 12/19/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's called reporting. They report what witnesses and investigators say to them.
They assume less than conspiracy theorist do.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin]
#23940494 - 12/19/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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informed people don't really watch news imho
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: DualWieldRake]
#23940503 - 12/19/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't really care if western agencies off'd the poor bastard. It's generally against policy. They do off military leaders and that is internationally legal. They don't report much at all on what they get involved in. Unless it's purely to express the success or failures.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23942655 - 12/20/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who did they off?
The current media says they do not show images of murdered politicians and leaders, yet they show an uncensored image of him yesterday.
What investigation has given way to these conclusions or did the media just report the first source as fact? What data and reports were inferred to check credibility?
I saw a guy laying on the ground with no wounds and no bleeding.
The medias credibility has been seriously eroding for quite some time. We have uncovered the abscene of any fact checking andnover relaince on official sources that contain motives for not revealing full truths
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] 2
#23942664 - 12/20/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude.
The fucking shooter declared his motived after he shot the ambassador. Its clearly a retaliation to Russia's actions in Syria, specifically Aleppo.
If you want to say there an ulterior motive then go for it, but dont demonize the media for literally reporting the motives from the most primary source possible.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23942681 - 12/20/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll ask again the current media says they do not show images of deceased leaders. So what was up with the uncensored images of the ambassador?
Have we seen similar media reporting and insanely fast conclusions when dealing with anything just as quickly labeled "terrorism" and not "domestic violence"
Fatal chest gunshots produce large bloody scenes and this is all absent like many other quickly reported terrorist incidents with no wait for actual investigations or reports.
It seems like these are badly staged events occurring to make The sold narrtives seem more legitimate.. But it's so clear this fits the false reporting of the media for the past 15 years or so.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin]
#23942685 - 12/20/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It wouldnt surprise me, but as it stands theres no evidence for that.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23942697 - 12/20/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe to the uniformed like you but there is a mountain of evidence for this ambassador assassination depiction for being completely faked.
These fakes events never show real carnage which explains the lack of carnage and why the media could show the uncensored body. They rely on people pretending to be hurt and that's exactly what these videos of the events depict.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin]
#23942771 - 12/20/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya if you are delusional then don't watch the news or other media that triggers you.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] 1
#23942777 - 12/20/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Takethatdarwin said: Maybe to the uniformed like you but there is a mountain of evidence for this ambassador assassination depiction for being completely faked.
These fakes events never show real carnage which explains the lack of carnage and why the media could show the uncensored body. They rely on people pretending to be hurt and that's exactly what these videos of the events depict.
So the media showing a dead body = mountains of evidence that the attack was staged?
But I'm uninformed.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23942788 - 12/20/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sorry you are over trusting of the lying media but if you try and defend their credibility after the past track record of 15 years then you are already demonstrating your lack of understanding and full context
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin]
#23942954 - 12/20/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crazy
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23942960 - 12/20/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too bad we don't have a mod to consolidate threads
I guess We only have the one who likes to ban conservatives
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23942965 - 12/20/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Conservatives are very liberal with their mouths.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23943265 - 12/20/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The point was the consolidated media runs with one unverified sources claims without fact checking or any official investigations could ever been possibly held. These are not traits of truth tellers
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23944104 - 12/20/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Dude.
The fucking shooter declared his motived after he shot the ambassador. Its clearly a retaliation to Russia's actions in Syria, specifically Aleppo.
If you want to say there an ulterior motive then go for it, but dont demonize the media for literally reporting the motives from the most primary source possible.

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Takethatdarwin said: Maybe to the uniformed like you but there is a mountain of evidence for this ambassador assassination depiction for being completely faked.
These fakes events never show real carnage which explains the lack of carnage and why the media could show the uncensored body. They rely on people pretending to be hurt and that's exactly what these videos of the events depict.
So the media showing a dead body = mountains of evidence that the attack was staged?
But I'm uninformed.
You're a bad troll. Next!

Darwin, this isn't the conspiracy forum. You're clearly another conspiracy theorist.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23945382 - 12/21/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know conspiracy theory is not the taboo word you suggest?
The CIA made a large effort to associate critical thinkers ( it's very healthy to question narratives) and people that consider conspiracy theories (which are extremely plentiful) into some sort of taboo after the JFK assassination which so many peopel castes doubts upon.
Don't fall victim to the false programming. We are just thinking critically forget your programming
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] 2
#23945391 - 12/21/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There was plenty of motive among people to get ride of JFK. There was very little concrete evidence to suggest anything other than Oswald.
Big difference between concrete evidence and something more thought provoking.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23945409 - 12/21/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My response was directed to people still falling victim to CIA propaganda first started after the JFK assasinations.
It's the same excuse when anyone brings up facts about 9/11 that disprove the official theories. They go how can you still speak about this think of the victims families! But what better way to honor the victims than debunking the lies around the death of their loved ones and showing them the truths
Thinking critically about things depicted on television is more crucial than ever today because the amount of false information being portrayed as news has reached new heights.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] 2
#23945414 - 12/21/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never did believe 9/11 was anything but a bunch of Muslims wrecking planes.
Conspiracy theory is real good at suggesting variables without proving facts. Sometimes people think there is fact when it's just a loose variable.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23945417 - 12/21/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know and many people made up there minds in 2001 and didn't follow independently verified papers and data that prove the official story as a large lie. This is a big problem surrounding these events
Look at the standing rock situation, when something happens the establishment wants to hide they simply do a media blackout of the event. There has been a media blackout for any of this new data that proves the old tales of 9/11 as false.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] 1
#23945468 - 12/21/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe because there is no substance to report?
I have seen plenty of news coverage of standing rock. PBS is a bit better at being liberal because it's funded by viewers.
Maybe you don't watch enough news to combat them?
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Takethatdarwin] 1
#23946069 - 12/21/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Takethatdarwin said: You know conspiracy theory is not the taboo word you suggest?
The CIA made a large effort to associate critical thinkers ( it's very healthy to question narratives) and people that consider conspiracy theories (which are extremely plentiful) into some sort of taboo after the JFK assassination which so many peopel castes doubts upon.
Don't fall victim to the false programming. We are just thinking critically forget your programming
But you're not 'thinking critically'. You're believing a conspiracy theory someone came up with without evidence.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23953638 - 12/24/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Takethatdarwin said: You know conspiracy theory is not the taboo word you suggest?
The CIA made a large effort to associate critical thinkers ( it's very healthy to question narratives) and people that consider conspiracy theories (which are extremely plentiful) into some sort of taboo after the JFK assassination which so many peopel castes doubts upon.
Don't fall victim to the false programming. We are just thinking critically forget your programming
But you're not 'thinking critically'. You're believing a conspiracy theory someone came up with without evidence.
I'm not taking a position here, but is that any different than what most people do? Most people will watch or read the news, it says X happened for Y reason, rarely giving any real supporting evidence, and they accept it as gospel because an authority figure told them so. No critical thinking or evidence involved there.
Conspiracy theorists on the other hand tend to disbelieve such things because it goes against their better judgement and sounds fishy. They then theorize what might have happened based on limited info. I agree to then go around espousing the theory as fact is not thinking critically, but thinking of and entertaining an alternate theory alone is, that's really a classic example of critical thinking in fact; it's the difference between believing it's likely but recognizing you can't prove it and believing it's TRUE when you can't prove it. The former is how every critical thinking person should operate, authority rarely tells you the full truth on anything, sometimes they tell you nothing but outright lies.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: krypto2000]
#23953679 - 12/24/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I'm not taking a position here, but is that any different than what most people do? Most people will watch or read the news, it says X happened for Y reason, rarely giving any real supporting evidence, and they accept it as gospel because an authority figure told them so. No critical thinking or evidence involved there.
concerning the televised/radio media, which rarely cite sources, the most effective way to avoid the line of thinking you describe is to listen to multiple sources, dwell on what each of them is saying in relation to the other, be knowledgeable of their own personal/financial interests, and make an EDUCATED GUESS from there. Granted, this is not foolproof, especially depending on the sources one chooses to observe (there's only so much time in a day, and less so that one can focus intently on these issues, for most)
another issue at hand, and one that could greatly help people to understand current events, is to understand the history of a region and those involved, and how the effects of the past are still influencing the events of today
kind of like how a vast majority of people aren't aware the US has been meddling in "middle east" political issues since, if not before, the Arab-Israeli war, which included supplying weapons to BOTH sides. This doesn't include our role, politically and munitions-wise during WWI with the Ottoman empire (now Turkey) or that we've been meddling in south-east Asia/Northern Africa since before the 1800's
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: krypto2000]
#23953802 - 12/24/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: But you're not 'thinking critically'. You're believing a conspiracy theory someone came up with without evidence.
...to go around espousing the theory as fact is not thinking critically, but thinking of and entertaining an alternate theory alone is, that's really a classic example of critical thinking in fact.
Sure, I agree with you on certain things the media can't back with evidence, such as Russians interfering with US elections.
But in this case, we have a famous person being shot in a public place, captured on video, witnessed by a great many people; his body displayed in an open casket funeral.
To say that the shooting wasn't real isn't critical thinking.
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Re: Logic discerned from unfolding events in turkey (ambassador) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23953925 - 12/24/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not talking about any specific conspiracy theory or news story, just in general. I began my reply to you guys talking about the JFK assassination.
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