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Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey * 1
    #23940274 - 12/19/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Surely there's going to be far right conspiracy theories.  As it looks at face value a Muslim got pissed about Russia winning in Syria.  They took out the highest ranking political figure Russia had stationed in Turkey.

Shot him several times dead.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940286 - 12/19/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm man shouting Allan Akbar is blamed for an event which fits narratives currently being pushed in western news markets..... never seen that signature before


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23940294 - 12/19/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hmmm man shouting Allan Akbar is blamed for an event which fits narratives currently being pushed in western news markets..... never seen that signature before




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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw] * 1
    #23940305 - 12/19/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Somebody also drove a truck through a market and plowed people.

Merry Christmas


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940356 - 12/19/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Remember when the media begins reporting on motives and solves the crime before any yellow tape and chalk can be placed and fully examined, then they are almost entirely pushing false agenda narratives.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23940378 - 12/19/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Remember when the media begins reporting on motives and solves the crime before any yellow tape and chalk can be placed and fully examined, then they are almost entirely pushing false agenda narratives.





Ya that is the far right conspiracy crap referred to in first post


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940385 - 12/19/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It is true. When the media begins to report who, what, where and why prior to any formal investigations it shows their lack of credible sources and fact checking.

Furthermore some patterns arise for those who have been studying false media reporting


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23940392 - 12/19/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Facts have been released.  There will be hundreds if not dozens of formal reports by different agencies and different countries.  Every Intel agency in the world will have their own report and aftermath.

It's like not knowing your grades before the report card. You should of had a really good idea before the report.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940399 - 12/19/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Confirming Preconceived notions without any time for formal investigations and reports are the tell tale signs of disingenuous reporting. And what do you know they are attempting to persuade us with again....


Facts have been released.... from which investigation and or data sets?


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940404 - 12/19/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Lol. Sorry, morel guy, that analogy is bogus. According to your analogy, the child(aka, the killer) would have known. Doesn't mean anyone else would know. Takethatdarwin is corerct. Instant conclusion is obvious propaganda. I hate the term conspiracies. It has gained such bad reputation and used, by people who can't think outside a box, to demean and exclude the fact/possibility anything besides the media reports is false. Which leads to the whole fake news bull shit going on right now. When we all know the mainstream media constantly lies, yet they're calling fake news on other sites? it's the biggest brainwashing scheme of our country(usa) in history! They literally lie every day, yet facebook and our gov is now censoring the independent (nonmainstream) news sites which actually reveal true information and call out the fake news! It's a crazy world, and the sheep keep on livin in it.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw] * 1
    #23940497 - 12/19/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sheep.

So if there is a car wreck and a reporter interviewing the local officer AND witnesses this is conspiracy?

Pull heads out of asses!


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940512 - 12/19/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sheep.

So if there is a car wreck and a reporter interviewing the local officer AND witnesses this is conspiracy?
Pull heads out of asses!





When the credibility of the media and police have become so low that their words mean nothing without hard evidences then no you are the sheep for taking these liars on their word and only that.

We require actual investigations for answers and clearly none of which could have been completed prior to medias conclusions


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23940526 - 12/19/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Let's take your analogy again and apply it to the true extent. In that interview, they would be discussing who did it, how, and why. If the crash literally just occurred, how would the police office be able to know that information?

You tried bringing up an anology and not actually using it as an analogy. Twice. Lol. People do it all the time and it drives me nuts because they think they proved a point, but it, in no way, relates. Lol


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw] * 1
    #23940598 - 12/19/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you fail to see logic and see it your illogical own way, nothing I can do for you there.

Police have methods and a brain that leads to conclusive evidence.  If you are guilty you might not agree with them.  Usually if you are innocent you will find that there conclusion is fair enough and gets the points across.

Again pull heads out of asses.  I do understand how the world and everything you see looks upside down, with a head upside down inserted in an anus.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940631 - 12/19/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'll just wait here for the Muslim apologists to tell us again how this had nothing to do with Islam, racism is to blame, America and Israel are evil...

***you know it's coming :lol:


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23940648 - 12/19/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Russia has lost their one time allies in the Muslim countries.  They used to have a lot of weapons to unload to them.  Also they were extensions of Soviet influence.  That's not so much the case as it once was.  I don't think you can bomb it back to being that way.  Leadership


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940823 - 12/19/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No one is winning in Syria, really. From day one it has been horrendous killing. Assad has always been hanging by a thread. Everyone thought Russia would abandon them at one point. The international countries will not forget what Assad did at the start of the civil war hence why this maniac killed the ambassador. It's blow back. Russia wants that warm water port and didn't want to lose it so helped Assad kill civilians.  It's a stalemate and the Syrian civilians are biggest loser. It doesn't look good for Syrian refugees in Turkey now. 

Syria is far from over.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23940824 - 12/19/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

plus there was another truck attack in Berlin.

the Muslims are de-centralized...this is the new way to be idiotic; have de-centralized authorities.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23942624 - 12/20/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Funny everyone goes straight to who to blame without asking some critical questions about the event.

The media solved the crime in the moments it was unfolding prior to any official investigations.

Why was the media showing his uncensored dead body? They just claimed that images like that aren't publishable

All caught on camera and 8 gun wounds do not produce a drop of blood.

Informed audiences know when the media is solving a crime and inserting causations prior to any formal investigation is a tell tale sign of fraudulent reporting


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23942630 - 12/20/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is our way of telling Russia to gtfo Syria.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23942767 - 12/20/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Funny everyone goes straight to who to blame without asking some critical questions about the event.

The media solved the crime in the moments it was unfolding prior to any official investigations.

Why was the media showing his uncensored dead body? They just claimed that images like that aren't publishable

All caught on camera and 8 gun wounds do not produce a drop of blood.

Informed audiences know when the media is solving a crime and inserting causations prior to any formal investigation is a tell tale sign of fraudulent reporting





Bullets are very hot when they hit the target.  It's not like the movies and usually burn shut wounds.  So the wound doesn't bleed much.  Ever see cops when they show a bullet wound?  Hardly a drop of blood.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23942795 - 12/20/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If this was the only evidence suggesting a media faked event then you would be correct.

The instantaneous  conclusions the media gives without any official investigations or fact checking.

The consolidated mass media starts running with an unverified source and all the consolidated media legs all fall suit without any investigative journalism.

The gunman shouted allahu ackbar moments before and this is always the media go to defense for insataneous terrorist labeling.

A pattern emerges to those that have been investigating these instantly solved events. Furthermore we know the motives of why the consolidated mass media always gets on board with the same uncorroborated stories over and over again


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin] * 1
    #23942949 - 12/20/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Are you in terrorism denial or something more diagnostic?

There is no great media conspiracy.  There are not huge psyop operations to mutate your sperm.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23942988 - 12/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you're trying to say there is not great media conspiracy, then you cannot think. If you actually saw the stuff put out on media, you HAVE to know there's something behind it. Either that, or these people and the people that run our country are the most idiotic, braindead, and belligerent people in the world, but I highly doubt that. When almost every single news story is twisted to make the population to think a certain way(and it's evident with everyone around you), then there are obvious agendas. E.g. Pulse shooting. Biggest BS story in the world, there's an insane amount of information that was skewed, and left out. The most absurd part is how they said he did it against gays, just because it was at a gay club: YET it was latino night. Why couldn't it have been that? He never said it was against gays. He actually, on his 911 phone call report, stated he is doing this for revenge because the US keeps bombing innocent people in the middle east(this is almost the actual quote). Then Obama coincidentally pushed lgbqt laws into play right after. Anyways, not sure what it covered up or what the agenda was, but it's not just a coincidence that they lied/skewed/and left out crucial information which completely changes what people know actually happened. And this happens daily on every news story. The titles conclude something that, if you actually read, cannot be concluded. They're all biased and false, and since no one can actually think for themselves, they believe what they see and hear.

And also, what makes you think there wouldn't be a lot of blood? Yes, maybe one or two, not so much. But when you're shot 8 time(that's it, right?), it's unbelievably unlikely that a major vessels or organ didn't get hit(which he died, so i'm assuming some did). This would produce a lot of blood. I'm not an expert, of course, but going off of my nursing experience, that's what I believe.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw]
    #23942989 - 12/20/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you saying the guy pulled a Saw-type fake-out and just was really good at looking like a dead body?


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23942999 - 12/20/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure. I don't believe anything I don't know for sure. I was just supporting the idea of media deception, which I do know for sure.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw] * 2
    #23943030 - 12/20/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The media are not run by a giant conspiracy. They are biased, and can be deceptive, and can promote falsehoods, but there is no shadow organization malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. Every media source has its agenda, which is usually the agenda of whoever owns it. The producers, directors, writers and editors play out this agenda, which is often pro-government, on their own. To wit, I watched several of the news shows this past Sunday morning, and they were all decrying Russia. They didn't have to be told to broadcast that; that's the party line. Everyone more or less falls into lockstep, and yes, the media sucks and most of it is garbage, but there is no grand conspiracy. Just common interests and corruption.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23943036 - 12/20/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some might call it a social circle with a common vibe.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23943163 - 12/20/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The media are not run by a giant conspiracy. They are biased, and can be deceptive, and can promote falsehoods, but there is no shadow organization malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. Every media source has its agenda, which is usually the agenda of whoever owns it. The producers, directors, writers and editors play out this agenda, which is often pro-government, on their own. To wit, I watched several of the news shows this past Sunday morning, and they were all decrying Russia. They didn't have to be told to broadcast that; that's the party line. Everyone more or less falls into lockstep, and yes, the media sucks and most of it is garbage, but there is no grand conspiracy. Just common interests and corruption.





Some fifty years ago your statement would be spot on accurate.


However since then there has been an effort to consolidate the media. Over 90 % of every news agencies stations, internet, television and  radio have all been consolidated and if you follow the ownership groups all come back to six conglomerates that have extremely shared interests.

Since these acquisitions and consolidation a majority of any investigative journalism has been nearly completely decimated so they do not fact check anything anymore.

Haven't you seen the videos where the anchors are reading the exact same scripts over your so called "competing networks"


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23943272 - 12/20/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Obama behind assassination of Russian ambassador?

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Islamic terrorist, Mevlut Mert Altintas, 22, murdered Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov in Turkey Monday – and top Russian politicians think President Barack Obama is to blame for the attack.

Altintas shot Karlov at a photo exhibit in Istanbul and loudly proclaimed the murder was a retaliation for Russian atrocities committed during the Syrian civil war, shouting “Allahu akbar! Do not forget Aleppo! Do not forget Syria!” in Arabic to reporters in the room. “We are the descendants of those who support the Prophet Muhammad with jihad!”

But a top ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin claims this wasn’t a lone wolf terror attack – but instead was a move by Obama to provoke Russia.

Senior Russian Senator Frantz Klintsevich, deputy chairman of the Russian upper chamber’s Defense and Security Committee, claimed he was suspicious that attack “was a planned action” from top NATO brass, The Sun reports.

“Everyone knew that he was going to attend this photo exhibition. It can be ISIS, or the Kurdish army which tries to hurt Erdogan,” Klintsevich said. “But may be — and it is highly likely — that representatives of foreign NATO secret services are behind it. What has happened is a true provocation, a challenge. It is a challenge for Russia.”

Klintsevich appears to have been referring to an interview between Obama and NPR’s Steve Inskeep last Friday, where Obama vowed American retaliation against what Democrats claim was Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.




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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23943279 - 12/20/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No because there is a mountain of evidence that proves that ambassador suffered not one legitimate gun wound yesterday. Watch the footage and quickly made conclusions if you don't believe me


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw]
    #23943297 - 12/20/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not sure. I don't believe anything I don't know for sure. I was just supporting the idea of media deception, which I do know for sure.



LOL K nice evidence.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23943342 - 12/20/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What are you talking about? I never made a claim in which I had to provide evidence for. You asked me if I was saying they faked the death and I'm telling you I don't know. I'm not the one who said anything about that.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23943350 - 12/20/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No because there is a mountain of evidence that proves that ambassador suffered not one legitimate gun wound yesterday. Watch the footage and quickly made conclusions if you don't believe me




I'm starting to agree,  no blood on a white floor? WTF???


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23943371 - 12/20/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is no blood anywhere! this is a common theme from some other false flag shootings.

The media claims they do not show deceased political leaders and they show very dramatic uncensored images that seem as if a Hollywood crew setup the shots and angles. I mean they captured some very clear and centered uncensored images plastered over MSM selling the narratives they want nearly instantaneous and prior to any fact checking.

We have seen these same events play out too many times to be fooled continuously


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23943393 - 12/20/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We have seen these same events play out too many times to be fooled continuously





We have. not the other 90%+ of the country.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23943453 - 12/20/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No because there is a mountain of evidence that proves that ambassador suffered not one legitimate gun wound yesterday. Watch the footage and quickly made conclusions if you don't believe me




I'm starting to agree,  no blood on a white floor? WTF???



his suit could have soaked it up- have you seen any evidence of where the body laid, other than the video given by media sources? have you seen the actually crime scene investigation's documentation? what if the zoom/lens the camera had could divulge such visual information, because it could pick up on it? blood spatter from a gunshot can be infinitesimally tiny specs.


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    #23943467 - 12/20/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Akira if that was the only dispute I would concede but there are many other alarming things the media has reported without any investigations or any reports.

This event follows a strict and transparent pattern the lack of blood from five point blank gunshots are just the cherries on top for truth discerners


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    #23943505 - 12/20/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"Kinetic energy manifests itself in human tissue in temporary stretching of tissue, which most tissue except for liver and neural tissue is able to withstand with little ill effect. Slow motion videos show that the 4.6 mm bullet yaws at impact on soft tissue. This is because the center of mass of the bullet is behind the geometric center, causing the back to come forward at impact, and therefore tumbling through soft tissue, creating much greater damage, according to the "energy dump" theory"


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Akira if that was the only dispute I would concede but there are many other alarming things the media has reported without any investigations or any reports.

This event follows a strict and transparent pattern the lack of blood from five point blank gunshots are just the cherries on top for truth discerners





I already explained the reason for that to you.  The fact you ignore is your head problem.


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No you haven't addressed my specific points


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No you haven't addressed my specific points





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    #23943702 - 12/20/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's the media's job.


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    #23943709 - 12/20/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23944157 - 12/20/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The conspiracy level in this forum has gone out of control. 

Yes, it's possile that the shooter was a hired thug (that might be known with further investigation), but the shooting was real.  You can't fake something like that in a public place with such a high visibility person who has friends and family around the world.

To believe the shooting was fake is conspiracy nuttiness that doesn't belong here.

And for the record, I agree the establishment media doesn't always do the best job investigating, but you can't fake something like this.


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No because there is a mountain of evidence that proves that ambassador suffered not one legitimate gun wound yesterday. Watch the footage and quickly made conclusions if you don't believe me




I'm starting to agree,  no blood on a white floor? WTF???





Things are looking suspicious....that was almost point blank shooting, there would be blood everywhere...and that whole heat thing closing wounds is bullshit...anybody who has shot a deer knows that, shit I've shot deer at less then ten yards with a 12 gauge, which is much hotter then a pistol and blood squirts out everywhere!


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    #23944255 - 12/20/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

there are bullets for just such an occasion, that'll mainly, at center mass, remain inside the target, and no exit wound = no expulsion of blood; ie, it'd mainly leak out and cover his clothes.


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    #23944291 - 12/20/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah they shatter on contact, almost creating a mini grenade on impact with the shrapnel, doesn't exit but does way more internal damage, increasing the likelihood of a major artery being severed and blood to leak out...especially since he was on his back and the bullets entered his body through his back

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    #23944397 - 12/20/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

this could explain the lack of blood in video captures and photos.


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    #23945385 - 12/21/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The conspiracy level in this forum has gone out of control. 

Yes, it's possile that the shooter was a hired thug (that might be known with further investigation), but the shooting was real.  You can't fake something like that in a public place with such a high visibility person who has friends and family around the world.

To believe the shooting was fake is conspiracy nuttiness that doesn't belong here.

And for the record, I agree the establishment media doesn't always do the best job investigating, but you can't fake something like this.





Actually it's very easy to fake events on television. I have seen Jurassic park and man it's convincing but does hat make it real?

Falcon where is your proof for the claim that this "could not be faked" I'll be waiting patiently


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    #23945387 - 12/21/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why would the Russians fake the death of an Ambassador?  Why would anybody else?

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    #23946044 - 12/21/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The conspiracy level in this forum has gone out of control. 

Yes, it's possile that the shooter was a hired thug (that might be known with further investigation), but the shooting was real.  You can't fake something like that in a public place with such a high visibility person who has friends and family around the world.

To believe the shooting was fake is conspiracy nuttiness that doesn't belong here.

And for the record, I agree the establishment media doesn't always do the best job investigating, but you can't fake something like this.



Actually it's very easy to fake events on television. I have seen Jurassic park and man it's convincing but does hat make it real?

Falcon where is your proof for the claim that this "could not be faked" I'll be waiting patiently



Mainstream news isn't made up, like movies are.  Again, it's possible the news simply reports what Government tells them, but they don't make things up.

The shooting was in a public place with witnesses.  Get off the conspiracy boat.


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    #23946279 - 12/21/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Who's to say those "witnesses" wee true witnesses. You seriously can never know for sure. Either you choose to believe it or choose to not believe it. We will never know the truth.


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    #23946290 - 12/21/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yes, might as well not even pay attention, because you can't know if it's truth or lies. might as well just not bother...or will you just keep refer to it, without coming up with any conclusive evidence just 'cause...probably the latter will be true. it's the talk of the town..."i don't know what's real or fake anymore!"


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    #23946349 - 12/21/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So Falcon...do you just completely dismiss every idea that is labeled a conspiracy?

I'm not saying you do, but the phrase "conspiracy theory" was created by the CIA to discredit anybody speaking against the establishments rendition of the events that surrounded JFKS assassination. And it has been used for the same strategy since then.
Is it possible that the govt would lie to us? You must know from your time in the military that there is always something going on that is "top secret" and on a "need to know" basis. Why couldn't those same concepts apply to the circles of power that reside in politics and govt?


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    #23946599 - 12/21/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is also some seriously deranged people that think everything isn't what it's said to be.

Not everything has some twist to it.

The military probably covers up more mistakes than any actual conspiracies.  Goes for the CIA too.


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    #23946630 - 12/21/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I can't get behind the whole "mistakes" thing. Too many coincidences to just be chalked up to mistakes...many in the military feel the same way and see what's going on...that's why they are refusing to follow many orders they have been given...

http://www.infowars.com/military-revolt-against-obamas-attack-on-syria/

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There is also some seriously deranged people that think everything isn't what it's said to be.






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    #23946972 - 12/21/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

the powers that be is money. everything is driven by money...even Presidents whom want a better country. they can easily be compromised by money. it depends on their fortitude.


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the powers that be is money. everything is driven by money...even Presidents whom want a better country. they can easily be compromised by money. it depends on their fortitude.




This absolutely true...I always say follow the oney it will tell you everything you need to know...and when you do it most often leads to lending credibility to so called "conspiracies"...but the money and special interests tell the truth...

Trump can also be compromised...this is a very real threat...Thats why we as the people have to hold his feet to the fire, while celebrating his victories at the same time. I support him whole heartedly, but if he strays from his agenda I will not stay loyal...


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    #23947474 - 12/21/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

and these ARE the days of our lifes.


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Remember when the media begins reporting on motives and solves the crime before any yellow tape and chalk can be placed and fully examined, then they are almost entirely pushing false agenda narratives.




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*who



ummmm, no.....whom.


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    #23948741 - 12/22/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, you are wrong.

A good trick, for the uninitiated, in whom the who/whom distinction has not been mastered, is to replace the word "who" or "whom" with "he" and "him", and see which one makes the most sense. When "he" makes sense, one should use "who", and when "him" makes sense, one uses "whom". In the above example, one can rearrange the clause as "even he wants a better country". That's an easy trick that will help you avoid this mistake, which you make very frequently.

I can provide you with some web page links or suggest some books to read if you desire a more thorough explanation.

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Remember when the media begins reporting on motives and solves the crime before any yellow tape and chalk can be placed and fully examined, then they are almost entirely pushing false agenda narratives.






My takeaway from the media is that the Russian ambassador to Turkey was shot and killed at an art exhibit.

What is the false narrative you both seem to feel the media is feeding us???


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No, you are wrong.

A good trick, for the uninitiated, in whom the who/whom distinction has not been mastered, is to replace the word "who" or "whom" with "he" and "him", and see which one makes the most sense. When "he" makes sense, one should use "who", and when "him" makes sense, one uses "whom". In the above example, one can rearrange the clause as "even he wants a better country". That's an easy trick that will help you avoid this mistake, which you make very frequently.

I can provide you with some web page links or suggest some books to read if you desire a more thorough explanation.

:cheers:



not if you don't give a fuck about whom, or who. whom just sounds better. i ain't writing a novel here, Bungle brains.

thanks for the potent suggestion though to read more thoroughly on minuscule notions of the English language and it's diverse interpolations, for the particulars, that is to say, the lesson.

i'll keep it in mind if ever it matter.


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    #23949423 - 12/22/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're welcome. It's okay to avoid "whom" altogether in informal speech, but when you misuse it it makes you look like a pompous pseudointellectual.


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No, you are wrong.

A good trick, for the uninitiated, in whom the who/whom distinction has not been mastered, is to replace the word "who" or "whom" with "he" and "him", and see which one makes the most sense. When "he" makes sense, one should use "who", and when "him" makes sense, one uses "whom". In the above example, one can rearrange the clause as "even he wants a better country". That's an easy trick that will help you avoid this mistake, which you make very frequently.

:cheers:



Wait a minute, you can just rearrange the sentence to something completely different?  Alrighty then, how about this:

"a better country is even wanted by he/him"

This would make Akira right.


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    #23949523 - 12/22/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OTOH, no one would ever say "a better country is even wanted by him." That's barely English. Capers was right.


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There is also some seriously deranged people that think everything isn't what it's said to be.






Reminds me of people that think the president is just a "puppet" and the "powers that be" run everything




Leaders are puppets of their emotions and how that plays into the public reaction and their morality.


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    #23949550 - 12/22/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You're welcome. It's okay to avoid "whom" altogether in informal speech, but when you misuse it it makes you look like a pompous pseudointellectual.



hhmmm, methinks...methinks you're taking this a bit more seriously than i. it's good to stretch the realm of the imagination sometimes. so i don't care to err, bro.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23949726 - 12/22/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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This is our way of telling Russia to gtfo Syria.




I agree with this perspective, it sends a message. Turkey and Russia recognised it for what it was.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23949736 - 12/22/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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OTOH, no one would ever say "a better country is even wanted by him." That's barely English. Capers was right.



I was arguing against the logic of rearranging a sentence to apply caper's test.

With that said, I agree that "who" is correct.  I mistakenly thought akira was arguing in favor of "who".


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Wait a minute, you can just rearrange the sentence to something completely different?  Alrighty then, how about this:

"a better country is even wanted by he/him"

This would make Akira right.




I didn't rearrange. I replaced. YOU rearranged. If the trick I mentioned confuses you, remember that the subject of a sentence gets a "who". The object gets "whom".


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Capers]
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Lmao. It was whom.


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Wait a minute, you can just rearrange the sentence to something completely different?  Alrighty then, how about this:

"a better country is even wanted by he/him"

This would make Akira right.



presidents = them...them =/= him?

them = he?

that makes no sense...i'm gonna go now.

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Lmao. It was whom.



who knows at this point, Capers does, that's do, whom knows how to really dig in deep with the comments on people improper vernacular when using the "pompous over-intellectual" wording of my previous use. i'm a changed man now. now that i know the ways of True Kung-Fu.

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I didn't rearrange. I replaced. YOU rearranged. If the trick I mentioned confuses you, remember that the subject of a sentence gets a "who". The object gets "whom".




a title or position of governmental station, that isn't an object? there was no possession of anyone's particular title, just that of the notion of the title (and the power it wields), in and of itself. :shrug:


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Capers does, that's do, whom knows how to really dig in deep with the comments on people improper vernacular




*whom

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title or position of governmental station, that isn't an object?




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    #23960174 - 12/27/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The media are not run by a giant conspiracy. They are biased, and can be deceptive, and can promote falsehoods, but there is no shadow organization malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. Every media source has its agenda, which is usually the agenda of whoever owns it. The producers, directors, writers and editors play out this agenda, which is often pro-government, on their own. To wit, I watched several of the news shows this past Sunday morning, and they were all decrying Russia. They didn't have to be told to broadcast that; that's the party line. Everyone more or less falls into lockstep, and yes, the media sucks and most of it is garbage, but there is no grand conspiracy. Just common interests and corruption.



Actually, that's bullshit. There are shadow organizations malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. For evidence of that, one should look towards the plainly available and plentiful Wikileaks emails that show how the Clinton campaign colluded with media, were allowed to decide which stories hit the air, pressured news executives to shut certain reporters up when they started talking about things they didn't like and even got to edit interviews pre-release.


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    #23960202 - 12/27/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually, that's bullshit. There are shadow organizations malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. For evidence of that, one should look towards the plainly available and plentiful Wikileaks emails that show how the Clinton campaign colluded with media, were allowed to decide which stories hit the air, pressured news executives to shut certain reporters up when they started talking about things they didn't like and even got to edit interviews pre-release.




The Clinton campaign was not a shadow organization. It was a political campaign, and it's perfectly normal for them to collude with the media. That's been happening forever. I would call that corruption before I called it a devious conspiracy.

Editing interviews is probably shady, but it is not a conspiracy, just plain old selfish behavior, and has also been happening forever.

These are flawed, selfish, power-seeking individuals who are fallible, not Illuminati villains. This is business as usual.


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    #23960209 - 12/27/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's amazing what the masses will accept just because it's being broadcast from a perceived authority figure like the mainstream news.

Anyone can lookup and find that a majority of every news organiation is owned by the largest six conglomerates.


The press is supposed to be objective and investigate their sources and the validity of messages. This has all been eliminated from major networks. They fact checks stories about priests but never question government narratives.


We know the past records of the MSM and we cannot believe anything they broadcast even if you saw it on tv.

I have watched the assasination video again and it does appear to be more of a staged event compared to a legitimate one


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    #23960214 - 12/27/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, yeah, most of it is very slanted and a lot of it is bullshit. Even though common interests own the media, though, there are not villains pulling the strings. Everyone knows what the party line is. They don't have to micromanage.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23960229 - 12/27/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When the media willfully publishes false material they are indeed part of the villains ruining this society. The unsuspecting duped news broadcasting does not apply any longer. After years of "coincidentally" reporting false stories it's clear these events are no longer the product of any coincidences, but a dishonest propaganda spreading extension of the government.

They even made it legal in recent years for them to use propaganda against American citizens to ease the lawyers concerns for what has been unfolding for many decades


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    #23960339 - 12/27/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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When the media willfully publishes false material they are indeed part of the villains ruining this society. The unsuspecting duped news broadcasting does not apply any longer. After years of "coincidentally" reporting false stories it's clear these events are no longer the product of any coincidences, but a dishonest propaganda spreading extension of the government.

They even made it legal in recent years for them to use propaganda against American citizens to ease the lawyers concerns for what has been unfolding for many decades




The media are very pro-government, but that does not mean any part of the government actually runs the media. That's simply false. If you guys want to argue for conspiracies, put it in the correct forum, please.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23960392 - 12/27/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh, yeah, most of it is very slanted and a lot of it is bullshit. Even though common interests own the media, though, there are not villains pulling the strings. Everyone knows what the party line is. They don't have to micromanage.



Yes there are villains pulling the strings. The Clinton campaign wasn't just the Clinton campaign. It was a very secretive network of rich donors, people in political power, globalist figures, the elite if you will. The collusion between the elites and the media this election cycle was truly shocking. It's clear to any unbiased observer that there was indeed a malicious cause behind it.


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    #23960459 - 12/27/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, there are many bastards involved making decisions. That's all it is. You make it sound like you think the Illuminati were involved. There is no malevolent conspiracy, just fallible humans digging around in the muck. It's the same stuff that's been going on in elections forever. Money talks. Nothing fancy.

Anyway, do you have a source for a malevolent conspiracy that is reputable? Not internet garbage, but reliable information? If you do give me garbage, I will call bullshit on it. But I will keep an open mind. I'm not really disagreeing with you that there were malevolent elements involved in the campaign, but I would not call it a devious conspiracy, personally. Just business as usual. I prefer the term 'corruption.'


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23960563 - 12/27/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're the only bringing up the offtopic nonsense of the "illuminati" we have never suggested anything of the sort.


The excuse that it's just some workers lost in compartmentalization, is no longer valid. It is clearly not just some people doing their job lost in the muck which has been used too frequently and for far too many "coincidences" to be validated

The only claiming some grandiose conspiracy is you! We were simply just showing you that these factions do in fact work cooperatively and hide this cooperation from the public and "objective" labeled brands such as NPR


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    #23960597 - 12/27/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgwLHAC5mk9Ghblc6O7AXzxX5dNLlMg0hHUn-D_Ay7I/htmlview

Scroll down to the media collusion subheading




Yeah, I see that as common interests engaged in corruption, which I never denied was happening. There's nothing new there. I guess we just got caught up in terminology. The elite class definitely works together to maintain the status quo. Been happening since Roman times and earlier. I don't see this as anything new or special. Perhaps I was a little too conservative in my comments about the media, but I did say earlier in the thread, I think, that the media definitely serves those who own them, but they don't need special prodding to tow the party line. That Leon Panetta is reviewing New York Times articles is not surprising -- he's probably on the payroll -- and I would remind you that he is no longer in government. The media does 99% or their reporting on their own, knowing what they have to say on behalf of their masters.


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    #23960607 - 12/27/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The only claiming some grandiose conspiracy is you! We were simply just showing you that these factions do in fact work cooperatively and hide this cooperation from the public and "objective" labeled brands such as NPR




Yeah, I have said that the press is pro-government and is basically a mouthpiece for them. All I said was that generally the press tows the party line automatically. There's usually not string-pulling, because there doesn't need to be, it's redundant. When political or special interest individuals take a hands on approach to the media, they have to comply if their masters wish it. Once again, I never said this wasn't happening. I said it was corruption.


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    #23960623 - 12/27/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes but you also used a known false excuse to pardon the medias involvement it seems you were forced to admit your wording was off but you ignored the part where you made false excuses for the media.


It's abundantly clear that these aren't workers so compartmentalized they they lose sight of facts and truths in the "muck". They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.


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    #23960624 - 12/27/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The media had nothing to do with the Ambassadors killing other than coverage.


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They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.




I wouldn't go so far as to call them a propaganda machine. This isn't the Third Reich. They do reporting all the time. And I am in full agreement with Morel Guy -- a lot of people around here want to call that a staged event. It wasn't. They were just covering an actual event.


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They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.




I wouldn't go so far as to call them a propaganda machine. This isn't the Third Reich. They do reporting all the time. And I am in full agreement with Morel Guy -- a lot of people around here want to call that a staged event. It wasn't. They were just covering an actual event.




Yes but more important was your excuse for the lack of truth in the media which you later admitted to be incorrect.

It's these online apologizers who need to be exposed because that thinking is what allows these agencies to continue spreading disinformation


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They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.




I wouldn't go so far as to call them a propaganda machine. This isn't the Third Reich. They do reporting all the time. And I am in full agreement with Morel Guy -- a lot of people around here want to call that a staged event. It wasn't. They were just covering an actual event.




Yes but more important was your excuse for the lack of truth in the media which you later admitted to be incorrect.

It's these online apologizers who need to be exposed because that thinking is what allows these agencies to continue spreading disinformation




But I didn't say it was incorrect, I meant that my previous statement is true the vast majority of the time, but technically not always. I maintain that there is no constant string-pulling, and that if Leon Panetta wants to review NYT articles, who cares.


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    #23960908 - 12/27/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with DividedQuantum.  The big media companies are clearly colluding with Government, but the Government doesn't 'run' them.


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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgwLHAC5mk9Ghblc6O7AXzxX5dNLlMg0hHUn-D_Ay7I/htmlview

Scroll down to the media collusion subheading




Yeah, I see that as common interests engaged in corruption, which I never denied was happening. There's nothing new there. I guess we just got caught up in terminology. The elite class definitely works together to maintain the status quo. Been happening since Roman times and earlier. I don't see this as anything new or special. Perhaps I was a little too conservative in my comments about the media, but I did say earlier in the thread, I think, that the media definitely serves those who own them, but they don't need special prodding to tow the party line. That Leon Panetta is reviewing New York Times articles is not surprising -- he's probably on the payroll -- and I would remind you that he is no longer in government. The media does 99% or their reporting on their own, knowing what they have to say on behalf of their masters.



You're just straight up in denial at this point. What about soros controlling vice? What's your explanation for that? I just proved beyond a doubt that there are bad people pulling the media's  strings. Deny it if you must, to maintain your pride, but the open minded will see through your excuse making and see this kind of corruption for what it is.


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    #23961918 - 12/28/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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WOW. I never knew that doc existed, it's marvelous.



Haha, yeah. People on this forum constantly try to use the excuse that I'm merely consuming conservative media when I start bashing on the liberal media. But I don't consume conservative media. My sources are all primary documents, and if not that then liberal media.

EDIT: I bet no one else on this forum knew that doc existed either. Except maybe peyotezen


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    #23961923 - 12/28/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with DividedQuantum.  The big media companies are clearly colluding with Government, but the Government doesn't 'run' them.



What do you call it when the media is controlled by corrupt globalist figures, those same people run the government, and when a reporter speaks out against one of the corrupt globalists in government, they merely reach out to their corrupt globalist buddy who controls the company to silence his/her reporters? Side note, most of the reporters are corrupt globalists as well, who don't have to be whipped into line, but merely shill for globalists to maintain their prestige.!


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    #23961925 - 12/28/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What about the secret press party at either Hillary's or Podestas fucking house? Over 30 press figures attended a fucking Hillary party, and then colluded with her campaign on a level that was unprecented. I'm sorry, but when a HuffPo reporter emailed Hillary's campaign after the news of her server dropped not this just last march but last march, and asked what he/she could publish "so WE  can get out ahead of the narrative," makes it glaringly obvious that reporters essentially worked FOR the campaign.


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    #23962081 - 12/28/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You are really out there Webster.  You derail every thread with paranoid conspricay theory.


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    #23962111 - 12/28/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23962226 - 12/28/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What about the secret press party at either Hillary's or Podestas fucking house? Over 30 press figures attended a fucking Hillary party, and then colluded with her campaign on a level that was unprecented. I'm sorry, but when a HuffPo reporter emailed Hillary's campaign after the news of her server dropped not this just last march but last march, and asked what he/she could publish "so WE  can get out ahead of the narrative," makes it glaringly obvious that reporters essentially worked FOR the campaign.




If I posted a HuffPo article right now youd use several facepalm graemlins and write it off.

But when one of their reporters gives the Hillary camp a heads up about a story coming its suddenly unprecedented media collusion.

Either nobody trusts the corrupt, ratings-less lying liberal media, or theyre all powerful propaganda masters that can influence elections by relaying facts to the Clinton Camp. Which?

Its the same stupid shit I heard about Obama for 8 years.

"Omg Obummer is so useless, he has no clue. But also, hes an evil genius socialist whos going to trick the world into taking your guns and tanking the economy."


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23962298 - 12/28/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

In your hypothetical scenario you're still linking a Huffpo article as evidence, which would be a testament to the fact that media collusion with campaigns does indeed have an effect and tricks people. :lol: The answer is obvious. I'd dismiss the article depending on if it was huffpo analysis of just them reporting on a fact. HuffPo  analysis is almost always horrible, left-leaning, establishment dogma. The idiots who link it as evidence(more numerable than the number of people that deny it nearly outright like me) and the idiots who actually believe it and end up agreeing with the guy that linked it are victims of the kind of malevolent trickery and corrupt collusion the Clinton campaign and media need to be held accountable for. Is it at all fair that Clinton was leaked primary debate questions against Bernie in advance of the debates? No, it's not fair. It should be criminal. Millions of people were mislead into thinking Clinton was more knowledgeable than Bernie, in reality she was just unfairly better prepared, and IMO Bernie still wiped the floor with her. It's baffling that all of you liberals aren't up in arms about this. Your party is literally dying because of the sort of corrupt collusion I'm talking about. Donna Brazil was fired from CNN(of all the liberal networks, :ilold:) for unethical behavior regarding her leaking debate questions directly to Hillary, but she remains the head of the DNC. That's just preposterous. If there was nothing unethical, and I'd go as far as to say sinister, about what the media and Hillary did behind closed doors, there wouldn't be so much outrage about it. Hillary wouldn't be going down as the most corrupt political figure to ever run for office. But she is.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] * 2
    #23962384 - 12/28/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not questioning the media's collusion with the Clinton campaign. I'm a Bernie supporter, remember?

If youd stop attaching assumptions to my posts this would be a lot easier.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23962446 - 12/28/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It's baffling that all of you liberals aren't up in arms about this. Your party is literally dying because of the sort of corrupt collusion I'm talking about.




You are acting as though you are privy to some revelation that wasn't old news to everyone on this board months ago.  Also, you say things like "Your party" as though you are under the assumption that you are addressing Democrats.  In many cases, you aren't.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] * 3
    #23962806 - 12/28/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with DividedQuantum.  The big media companies are clearly colluding with Government, but the Government doesn't 'run' them.



What do you call it when the media is controlled by corrupt globalist figures, those same people run the government, and when a reporter speaks out against one of the corrupt globalists in government, they merely reach out to their corrupt globalist buddy who controls the company to silence his/her reporters?



I call it corrupt super wealthy people doing whatever they can to protect and grow their wealth.

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What about the secret press party at either Hillary's or Podestas fucking house? Over 30 press figures attended a fucking Hillary party, and then colluded with her campaign on a level that was unprecented. I'm sorry, but when a HuffPo reporter emailed Hillary's campaign after the news of her server dropped not this just last march but last march, and asked what he/she could publish "so WE  can get out ahead of the narrative," makes it glaringly obvious that reporters essentially worked FOR the campaign.



Semantics.  It was glaringly obvious that the reporter was a Hillary supporter.

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Is it at all fair that Clinton was leaked primary debate questions against Bernie in advance of the debates? No, it's not fair. It should be criminal. Millions of people were mislead into thinking Clinton was more knowledgeable than Bernie, in reality she was just unfairly better prepared, and IMO Bernie still wiped the floor with her. It's baffling that all of you liberals aren't up in arms about this. Your party is literally dying because of the sort of corrupt collusion I'm talking about. Donna Brazil was fired from CNN(of all the liberal networks, :ilold:) for unethical behavior regarding her leaking debate questions directly to Hillary, but she remains the head of the DNC. That's just preposterous.



You are acting as though you are privy to some revelation that wasn't old news to everyone on this board months ago.  Also, you say things like "Your party" as though you are under the assumption that you are addressing Democrats.  In many cases, you aren't.



Exactly.  We've been up in arms about this since the news came out.  You're not telling us anything we don't already know or that we aren't extremely pissed off about.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23962834 - 12/28/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Couldn't have said it better. That's what I've been trying to tell him. It's become clear, however, that he does not plan on entertaining anyone's views but his own. Lame.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23965396 - 12/29/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Webster is not as crazy as you guys proclaim.


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    #23965408 - 12/29/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Webster is not as crazy as you guys proclaim.




I agree...


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    #23965421 - 12/29/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I never said he was crazy, but I do think he's young and overenthusiastic about questionable conclusions.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23965553 - 12/29/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It will be in the DSM someday along with being overly religious.  Watching too many paranoid conspiracies on YouTube while taking hypnotizing drugs.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10]
    #23966352 - 12/29/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgwLHAC5mk9Ghblc6O7AXzxX5dNLlMg0hHUn-D_Ay7I/htmlview

Scroll down to the media collusion subheading




Yeah, I see that as common interests engaged in corruption, which I never denied was happening. There's nothing new there. I guess we just got caught up in terminology. The elite class definitely works together to maintain the status quo. Been happening since Roman times and earlier. I don't see this as anything new or special. Perhaps I was a little too conservative in my comments about the media, but I did say earlier in the thread, I think, that the media definitely serves those who own them, but they don't need special prodding to tow the party line. That Leon Panetta is reviewing New York Times articles is not surprising -- he's probably on the payroll -- and I would remind you that he is no longer in government. The media does 99% or their reporting on their own, knowing what they have to say on behalf of their masters.



You're just straight up in denial at this point. What about soros controlling vice? What's your explanation for that? I just proved beyond a doubt that there are bad people pulling the media's  strings. Deny it if you must, to maintain your pride, but the open minded will see through your excuse making and see this kind of corruption for what it is.




Where's your evidence that Soros "controls" Vice?

If anything, that's Murdoch's baby now.


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23967451 - 12/30/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would think Murdoch is a pal of Soros, putting up the "me vs. Him" fasad, when really they are working together to govern the information that the public receives, essentially guiding the social conscious for their own much larger agendas...

But I am a fan of "vice" and would like to see evidence of Soros involvement...I would not be surprised though, the former nazi agent Soros has more tentacles then a giant squid...


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23967503 - 12/30/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It will be in the DSM someday along with being overly religious.  Watching too many paranoid conspiracies on YouTube while taking hypnotizing drugs.



Which YouTube videos do I watch and what drugs do I take?


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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10]
    #23967536 - 12/30/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The DSM is a joke and is a tool used to put as many of us as possible on pharmaceuticals. They made disagreeing with the govt a mental disorder....yeah there's no motivation there or anything like that...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/problems-with-the-dsm-2013-10?client=ms-android-verizon

And since when are people taking hypnotizing drugs hahaha...what do you classify as a hypnotic drug?


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