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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: camerinkw]
#23958007 - 12/26/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Wait a minute, you can just rearrange the sentence to something completely different? Alrighty then, how about this:
"a better country is even wanted by he/him"
This would make Akira right.
presidents = them...them =/= him?
them = he?
that makes no sense...i'm gonna go now.
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camerinkw said: Lmao. It was whom.
who knows at this point, Capers does, that's do, whom knows how to really dig in deep with the comments on people improper vernacular when using the "pompous over-intellectual" wording of my previous use. i'm a changed man now. now that i know the ways of True Kung-Fu.
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Capers said: I didn't rearrange. I replaced. YOU rearranged. If the trick I mentioned confuses you, remember that the subject of a sentence gets a "who". The object gets "whom".
a title or position of governmental station, that isn't an object? there was no possession of anyone's particular title, just that of the notion of the title (and the power it wields), in and of itself.
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: akira_akuma]
#23959737 - 12/27/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: akira_akuma]
#23959897 - 12/27/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Capers does, that's do, whom knows how to really dig in deep with the comments on people improper vernacular
*whom
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akira_akuma said: title or position of governmental station, that isn't an object?
That depends on the context in which it is used.
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DividedQuantum said: The media are not run by a giant conspiracy. They are biased, and can be deceptive, and can promote falsehoods, but there is no shadow organization malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. Every media source has its agenda, which is usually the agenda of whoever owns it. The producers, directors, writers and editors play out this agenda, which is often pro-government, on their own. To wit, I watched several of the news shows this past Sunday morning, and they were all decrying Russia. They didn't have to be told to broadcast that; that's the party line. Everyone more or less falls into lockstep, and yes, the media sucks and most of it is garbage, but there is no grand conspiracy. Just common interests and corruption.
Actually, that's bullshit. There are shadow organizations malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. For evidence of that, one should look towards the plainly available and plentiful Wikileaks emails that show how the Clinton campaign colluded with media, were allowed to decide which stories hit the air, pressured news executives to shut certain reporters up when they started talking about things they didn't like and even got to edit interviews pre-release.
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] 1
#23960202 - 12/27/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Webster10 said: Actually, that's bullshit. There are shadow organizations malevolently pulling the strings concerning what gets on TV. For evidence of that, one should look towards the plainly available and plentiful Wikileaks emails that show how the Clinton campaign colluded with media, were allowed to decide which stories hit the air, pressured news executives to shut certain reporters up when they started talking about things they didn't like and even got to edit interviews pre-release.
The Clinton campaign was not a shadow organization. It was a political campaign, and it's perfectly normal for them to collude with the media. That's been happening forever. I would call that corruption before I called it a devious conspiracy.
Editing interviews is probably shady, but it is not a conspiracy, just plain old selfish behavior, and has also been happening forever.
These are flawed, selfish, power-seeking individuals who are fallible, not Illuminati villains. This is business as usual.
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: DividedQuantum] 1
#23960209 - 12/27/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's amazing what the masses will accept just because it's being broadcast from a perceived authority figure like the mainstream news.
Anyone can lookup and find that a majority of every news organiation is owned by the largest six conglomerates.
The press is supposed to be objective and investigate their sources and the validity of messages. This has all been eliminated from major networks. They fact checks stories about priests but never question government narratives.
We know the past records of the MSM and we cannot believe anything they broadcast even if you saw it on tv.
I have watched the assasination video again and it does appear to be more of a staged event compared to a legitimate one
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Psychedelvin]
#23960214 - 12/27/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, yeah, most of it is very slanted and a lot of it is bullshit. Even though common interests own the media, though, there are not villains pulling the strings. Everyone knows what the party line is. They don't have to micromanage.
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When the media willfully publishes false material they are indeed part of the villains ruining this society. The unsuspecting duped news broadcasting does not apply any longer. After years of "coincidentally" reporting false stories it's clear these events are no longer the product of any coincidences, but a dishonest propaganda spreading extension of the government.
They even made it legal in recent years for them to use propaganda against American citizens to ease the lawyers concerns for what has been unfolding for many decades
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Psychedelvin] 1
#23960339 - 12/27/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychedelvin said: When the media willfully publishes false material they are indeed part of the villains ruining this society. The unsuspecting duped news broadcasting does not apply any longer. After years of "coincidentally" reporting false stories it's clear these events are no longer the product of any coincidences, but a dishonest propaganda spreading extension of the government.
They even made it legal in recent years for them to use propaganda against American citizens to ease the lawyers concerns for what has been unfolding for many decades
The media are very pro-government, but that does not mean any part of the government actually runs the media. That's simply false. If you guys want to argue for conspiracies, put it in the correct forum, please.
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DividedQuantum said: Oh, yeah, most of it is very slanted and a lot of it is bullshit. Even though common interests own the media, though, there are not villains pulling the strings. Everyone knows what the party line is. They don't have to micromanage.
Yes there are villains pulling the strings. The Clinton campaign wasn't just the Clinton campaign. It was a very secretive network of rich donors, people in political power, globalist figures, the elite if you will. The collusion between the elites and the media this election cycle was truly shocking. It's clear to any unbiased observer that there was indeed a malicious cause behind it.
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] 1
#23960459 - 12/27/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, there are many bastards involved making decisions. That's all it is. You make it sound like you think the Illuminati were involved. There is no malevolent conspiracy, just fallible humans digging around in the muck. It's the same stuff that's been going on in elections forever. Money talks. Nothing fancy.
Anyway, do you have a source for a malevolent conspiracy that is reputable? Not internet garbage, but reliable information? If you do give me garbage, I will call bullshit on it. But I will keep an open mind. I'm not really disagreeing with you that there were malevolent elements involved in the campaign, but I would not call it a devious conspiracy, personally. Just business as usual. I prefer the term 'corruption.'
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10]
#23960561 - 12/27/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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WOW. I never knew that doc existed, it's marvelous.
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You're the only bringing up the offtopic nonsense of the "illuminati" we have never suggested anything of the sort.
The excuse that it's just some workers lost in compartmentalization, is no longer valid. It is clearly not just some people doing their job lost in the muck which has been used too frequently and for far too many "coincidences" to be validated
The only claiming some grandiose conspiracy is you! We were simply just showing you that these factions do in fact work cooperatively and hide this cooperation from the public and "objective" labeled brands such as NPR
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Webster10] 1
#23960597 - 12/27/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Webster10 said: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgwLHAC5mk9Ghblc6O7AXzxX5dNLlMg0hHUn-D_Ay7I/htmlview
Scroll down to the media collusion subheading
Yeah, I see that as common interests engaged in corruption, which I never denied was happening. There's nothing new there. I guess we just got caught up in terminology. The elite class definitely works together to maintain the status quo. Been happening since Roman times and earlier. I don't see this as anything new or special. Perhaps I was a little too conservative in my comments about the media, but I did say earlier in the thread, I think, that the media definitely serves those who own them, but they don't need special prodding to tow the party line. That Leon Panetta is reviewing New York Times articles is not surprising -- he's probably on the payroll -- and I would remind you that he is no longer in government. The media does 99% or their reporting on their own, knowing what they have to say on behalf of their masters.
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Psychedelvin] 1
#23960607 - 12/27/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychedelvin said: The only claiming some grandiose conspiracy is you! We were simply just showing you that these factions do in fact work cooperatively and hide this cooperation from the public and "objective" labeled brands such as NPR
Yeah, I have said that the press is pro-government and is basically a mouthpiece for them. All I said was that generally the press tows the party line automatically. There's usually not string-pulling, because there doesn't need to be, it's redundant. When political or special interest individuals take a hands on approach to the media, they have to comply if their masters wish it. Once again, I never said this wasn't happening. I said it was corruption.
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Yes but you also used a known false excuse to pardon the medias involvement it seems you were forced to admit your wording was off but you ignored the part where you made false excuses for the media.
It's abundantly clear that these aren't workers so compartmentalized they they lose sight of facts and truths in the "muck". They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.
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Re: Russia's Ambassador off'd in Turkey [Re: Psychedelvin]
#23960624 - 12/27/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The media had nothing to do with the Ambassadors killing other than coverage.
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#23960696 - 12/27/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychedelvin said: They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.
I wouldn't go so far as to call them a propaganda machine. This isn't the Third Reich. They do reporting all the time. And I am in full agreement with Morel Guy -- a lot of people around here want to call that a staged event. It wasn't. They were just covering an actual event.
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Psychedelvin said: They are in fact a well lubed and greased propaganda machine and any other explanations is just an attempt to sugar coat reality.
I wouldn't go so far as to call them a propaganda machine. This isn't the Third Reich. They do reporting all the time. And I am in full agreement with Morel Guy -- a lot of people around here want to call that a staged event. It wasn't. They were just covering an actual event.
Yes but more important was your excuse for the lack of truth in the media which you later admitted to be incorrect.
It's these online apologizers who need to be exposed because that thinking is what allows these agencies to continue spreading disinformation
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