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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: SpiritualWarrior] * 1
    #23939200 - 12/18/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They are waking up but I don't think they're having a real awakening. A real awakening is realizing we live in a dream world much like the matrix, and that we can create reality around us if we truly wake up from it. Problem is the people are asleep and letting the dream play itself out in whatever horrible way it will.






I feel like much of this world is made to keep us in a limbo, so we're always second guessing ourselves, but never truly knowing ourselves, because if we realize that this world is engineered to keep us in a state of ignorance, then we're shut down, called crazy, belittled, etc.

You have one side of the spectrum which is the "light" side, if you choose that side then you're expected to follow the rules which apply to it, the "dark" side is the other side, and has rules all of its own, but in reality both sides are the same thing, just systems in place to keep you always striving to be accepted by either side, but never truly becoming aware of who you really are, and what a lie reality really is.

People worry about dates like 2012, they then let irrational fears consume them into thinking some date is going to be doomsday, but dates like that have come and gone many times, and nothing has happened, people live in fear, without fear you cannot be controlled, but if you realize you're already free, and there's nothing to fear, then you just might wake up.  Don't try to convince others about such things, it wont work, you will be called crazy, publicly shamed, and your fragile existence might just be screwed for good.

No gods to save any of you, no devils to torture you, we are the gods, we are the devils, we create heaven and hell.

I feel like a brain in a vat, and im being stimulated by some electrodes attached to me, I see an ad and the electrodes zap me into having a response, so I am being made to accept this bullshit world, but I don't want that, it turns into dust in my mouth because it's not real to begin with, ignorance is bliss, I wish I could go back to being ignorant.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Lucis]
    #23939217 - 12/18/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When a person "wakes up" personally, then he/she begins to notice that others have and are going through this same process ... It's not that it's happening more or less, it's always happening and people have been waking up for thousands of years.  It's really more a question of who you surround yourself with.  If you spend a lot of time with people that "are not woken up" the likelihood that you yourself "are awake" is probably pretty low.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23939224 - 12/18/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds a lot like Samsara, why the logical run around when this concept was ironed out thousands of years ago?

Im not directing the latter question at anyone, there seems to be a trend in general.

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #23939343 - 12/18/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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When a person "wakes up" personally, then he/she begins to notice that others have and are going through this same process ... It's not that it's happening more or less, it's always happening and people have been waking up for thousands of years.  It's really more a question of who you surround yourself with.  If you spend a lot of time with people that "are not woken up" the likelihood that you yourself "are awake" is probably pretty low.





I don't spend my time with anyone, seriously, I am not exaggerating. 

I find that when I speak to people I have to speak to, I cannot relate to them at all.  At first I thought I was being rude, or I had something wrong with me, but I really don't understand why so many people like the things they like, or do the things they do, it blows my mind because it seems like accepting the things many people accept, would lead to a negative state of being, depression, anger, fear, jealousy, etc.

I don't view those people as less than myself in any way, I cannot stress that enough, but I am genuinely perplexed as to why they would be the way they are though, it's almost like they are accepting poison as medicine.  It appears like the majority of people think that being a good person is associated with things, homes, cars, food, and having kids, and if you don't have those things then you're to be shunned, or if you don't accept the way of thinking which leads to those things for most people, you're shunned.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Lucis]
    #23939365 - 12/18/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think we'd get along famously man

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23939368 - 12/18/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't spend my time with anyone, seriously, I am not exaggerating. 

I find that when I speak to people I have to speak to, I cannot relate to them at all.  At first I thought I was being rude, or I had something wrong with me, but I really don't understand why so many people like the things they like, or do the things they do, it blows my mind because it seems like accepting the things many people accept, would lead to a negative state of being, depression, anger, fear, jealousy, etc.

I don't view those people as less than myself in any way, I cannot stress that enough, but I am genuinely perplexed as to why they would be the way they are though, it's almost like they are accepting poison as medicine.  It appears like the majority of people think that being a good person is associated with things, homes, cars, food, and having kids, and if you don't have those things then you're to be shunned, or if you don't accept the way of thinking which leads to those things for most people, you're shunned.




I find that the most awake people I've met and know are people that can do both ... can thrive and succeed in the material world because they're typically smart and disciplined, make good choices and find work that's meaningful for them and can simultaneously make progress spiritually.  The Buddha talked about this a lot in terms of the middle path ...

Understanding other people has more to do with basic interpersonal skills ... listening and taking an interest in others with genuine, non aggressive curiosity.  What motivates us all is pretty similar once we drop our defenses and just get honest.  Developing one's ability to engage in conversations that make it easy for others to drop their guard and really reveal who they are is an art.  Most likely, until you develop a lot of trust in a relationship, the person you're interacting with is not revealing who they truly are.  That's just how we all are.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23939398 - 12/18/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well said stranger, I agree.

It is a challenge to find the good in people, but thats our lot in life, we must make the best of it.

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: CrackingTheCode] * 1
    #23939556 - 12/19/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You keep going on about being a nonconformist, but worrying about such a triviality just makes you a different flavor of conformist.

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: CrackingTheCode]
    #23939639 - 12/19/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You've written much about personality traits and how awesome you are, but little of substance.

Being unable to cope socially is unhealthy, very unhealthy, ascetisicm in general is a distraction from the inward path.
A lighter burden will leave you more energy for meditation, all the sacrifice is for naught.

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23939671 - 12/19/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that more people are waking up, I have noticed it because some of the spiritual insights that used to get me called a paranoid schizophrenic when I shared them 10 years ago are being taken seriously by many now.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Lucis]
    #23939695 - 12/19/16 03:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Fennario said:
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SpiritualWarrior said:
They are waking up but I don't think they're having a real awakening. A real awakening is realizing we live in a dream world much like the matrix, and that we can create reality around us if we truly wake up from it. Problem is the people are asleep and letting the dream play itself out in whatever horrible way it will.






I feel like much of this world is made to keep us in a limbo, so we're always second guessing ourselves, but never truly knowing ourselves, because if we realize that this world is engineered to keep us in a state of ignorance, then we're shut down, called crazy, belittled, etc.

You have one side of the spectrum which is the "light" side, if you choose that side then you're expected to follow the rules which apply to it, the "dark" side is the other side, and has rules all of its own, but in reality both sides are the same thing, just systems in place to keep you always striving to be accepted by either side, but never truly becoming aware of who you really are, and what a lie reality really is.

People worry about dates like 2012, they then let irrational fears consume them into thinking some date is going to be doomsday, but dates like that have come and gone many times, and nothing has happened, people live in fear, without fear you cannot be controlled, but if you realize you're already free, and there's nothing to fear, then you just might wake up.  Don't try to convince others about such things, it wont work, you will be called crazy, publicly shamed, and your fragile existence might just be screwed for good.

No gods to save any of you, no devils to torture you, we are the gods, we are the devils, we create heaven and hell.

I feel like a brain in a vat, and im being stimulated by some electrodes attached to me, I see an ad and the electrodes zap me into having a response, so I am being made to accept this bullshit world, but I don't want that, it turns into dust in my mouth because it's not real to begin with, ignorance is bliss, I wish I could go back to being ignorant.





Good response, thanks.

I think there are gods or one god, the trinity of Jesus and that we are Christs only if we can acquire the spirit. Jesus to shows me that nothing is to be feared since, because of the cross. I used lsa and another drug that made me hallucinate and believe I was Jesus and had to die and felt real pain, like I thought it was the end or something. That was me going through my worst fears willingly. But anyways read the Gospel of Thomas it has a lot of important interesting teachings in there. The Christian gospel is true its just its been distorted from its original meaning. We are meant to be Christs and be the gods of this creation, but only if we are willing to suffer and die. Its that fear of suffering and death that keeps us from advancing spiritually and becoming divine. Idk why that is I guess its cause I saw how fake the world really was, and it gave me more courage to face it. In the bible it also says the devil holds us captive to sin because of the fear of death. When we don't fear death (which is the most frightening thing you can face imho), we become liberated.

But let me just tell you that i did go somewhat crazy during and after that whole experience, and also that believing you are "god" can make you crazy too. There has to be an outer force at play, not just us.

Edited by SpiritualWarrior (12/19/16 03:49 AM)

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: CrackingTheCode]
    #23939721 - 12/19/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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proth said:

This is what I meant by what happens when you try to have a deep conversation with someone who isn't awake.. They jump straight to such foolishness as they draw a blank on depth .. An elaborate manifestation of cognitive dissonance.

Being more awakened causes one to see this first in themselves ... This provokes an exploration of depth. Having been down that path, it is quite easy to see an example of one's former self. The self that is quick to provoke and react in such personal ways... The ego that gets harmed by such truths and thus attempts to marginalize the truth teller.

No longer is this a period in which such unfavorable encounters will be entertained.
Best of wishes on your 'awakened' journey and path. You should be in good company because clearly the whole world is 'awake' in your eyes.




Powerful comments.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: CrackingTheCode]
    #23939730 - 12/19/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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proth said:

I think you have the beaten path confused with the middle path.

Understanding someone is different from being able to relate to it or relate deeply.
You can understand someone and understand you have little you can relate to them about or little you'd enjoy talking to them about.

Interpersonal skills has little to do w/ understanding... It deals moreso with an adherence to a socially accepted standard for communication. 'interpersonal skills' are considered by those of high intellect to be political nonsense and something that clouds understanding and true expression. Meanwhile, on the 'beaten' path it is considered to be the holy grail of a grounded person.

If someone has explored something deeply and thus has something of value to share, one whose deeply interested does what's necessary so that deep explorer freely express themselves as they see fit. The beaten path individual misses this point and opportunity by upholding foolish socially accepted norms regarding communication.

This is the nature of a favored exchange among awakened individuals.
The communication standards are far different than shallow small talk conversations about one's career, hobbies, kids, car, etc.

In my personal experience, I find those who have the courage to step off the beaten path and explore things deeply to be the most 'awakened' spiritually.

Lastly, the middle path/middle way was a revelation and establishment by practicers who visited extremes in their life and thus clearly saw the middle way. Blindly following a path because it works and makes one happy/fulfilled is not what I think about when I think of someone who is 'awake' .....




I suspect you have a very limited understanding of interpersonal skills.  You may think I'm referring to trivial topical interactive "techniques" when I am talking about the ability to connect with a wide variety of people on a deeper level ... to go well beyond topical trivialities and into interactions where defenses drop and truth starts to emerge.  I'm not talking about socializing at a cocktail party or being able to get along with co-workers. 

An early level of awakening seems for many to be ... "wow, I see things different, I see how f'd up the world is now ... I see things I couldn't see before ... why are you all so unaware of these things I see?  What's wrong with you all???"

There is a certain accusation that others are unaware and blinded by their routines, habits, desires, etc.  Now, when you combine a deepening awareness of who you really are, how the various levels of awareness operate, what motivates us and the way maya, illusions, distortion, addiction and distraction operates on us all with an artful ability to connect with others, even "sleepers" and through the magic of communication go into topics and areas they have pretty strong defenses against, you become more "awake."

Becoming more aware of the many deceptions that the power and political classes use to control the masses, for instance, is not really "awakening." 

Keep in mind, that there are many that are VERY aware that have learned to mask it because of the risks it generates for them.  They engage the principle that Castaneda labeled "controlled folly" to allow them to control and organize their outside world while they cultivate their awareness in a more private way.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: CrackingTheCode] * 1
    #23939737 - 12/19/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Barren from that conversation would be triviality that you seem to have focused on.
With one hand, you endorse KauaiOrca's comments which marginalize and alienate a whole group of people who explore life in depth and do so with the great burden of people judging them as not being well rounded or on the middle path because they don't conform to society's beaten path. With the other hand, you accuse me of doing the same by pointing out the deeper truth behind behind awake.






In fact, I admire and cheer on anyone that has the courage to put aside some time in a disciplined way to explore more dimensions of themselves than simply the tasks of work, and social/family obligations.  I've practiced yoga and mediation pretty much daily for over 20 years.  I'm not asking anyone to "conform" to society but suggest that when you don't have the communication and interactive skills to connect on a deep level with a wide variety of people it is easy to accuse way to wide a swath of people as being unaware or unawake when, in fact, if you were to have a deeper conversation with them you might be surprised.

Almost everyone spends at least fractional moments on "the road less traveled" ... some spend lots of time there.  Awakening has much more to do with understanding others than finding fault in them and criticizing them.  It is precisely that ability to see more beneath the surface of others and to be able to make them AWARE of it that is what those we often think of as the "most awake" are able to do.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23939765 - 12/19/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Controlled folly in other words playing a role in a scene in your movie.  Carlos did it for years before making it official and creating his own cult of mind controlled women and a couple of men.  A liar, a sociopath with control issues, who withdrew virtually completely with his little cult of underlings.  I think the term was "erasing personal history".

Part of my personal awakening is to have seen con artist such as Carlos and Baghwan exposed.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Satya]
    #23940106 - 12/19/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes and no... never before (that we know of) has information been so readily available. A lot of people can now access information that was previously only for initiates, or people that had access and the time to go to libraries, higher education etc. We can now also encounter a lot more opinions on what's going on in the world, which can help or hinder our own understanding of what's going on, depending on what we believe.

Whether more people are actually waking up... I think to some degree we are, most don't wake up when life is peachy so the increasing issues in the world forces some of us to wake up, but for some the worse things become the more they bury their head in the sand. It's also a common theme that each generation thinks 'more people than ever are now waking up', which is probably true, as we evolve we become more intelligent; but has anyone yet seen a Golden Age appear in their lifetime?

An important thing in my opinion is to not allow ourselves to postpone our own awakening, waiting for the idea of a mass global awakening. With 2012 some believed that it would happen, the collective consciousness would reach some tipping point where there would be a global awakening or singularity. It's a paradox that we wake up from the individual, but also as an individual. So people are always waking up, but don't wait for, or count on people waking up.






Great points. I too feel that the added pressures from the failings economies that have western societies with their lowest purchasing power and greatest debts in history. It forces the the competent minds to see through the monetary illusions or the control illusions thus creating more awake people.

No amount of lies can ever defeat truth in a war. Deceit may win some major battles but over the war it always loses. It's the same reason why people shilling for govt narratives are actually aiding in awaking others because the deceitful narratives have never been so absence in people's daily realities. Thus nudging people closer to reality and farther from prescribed false narratives


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23940182 - 12/19/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I see so much "love, light & forgiveness" rhetoric on far too many spiritualist boards. Love, light & forgiveness are ideals that SHOULD be striven towards, however some are beyond redemption. You think after awakening people are going to be sharing the gifts of love and forgiveness to those who have nigh-destroyed this planet and humanity? When this awakening reaches critical mass, I'll almost feel sorry for the poor bastards that kept this evil system of oppression alive, that fought as foot soldiers in the name of a demon masquerading as the one true god, and I don't mean Satan. Humanity obviously wasn't made to be enslaved, and the forces trying to make us into literal cattle for the slaughter are in for their own rude awakening.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: LunarEclipse] * 2
    #23941229 - 12/19/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Part of my personal awakening is to have seen con artist such as Carlos and Baghwan exposed.




Part of mine was to have seen Ultimate Reality speak through con artists. :bobdobbs:

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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: staticthefox]
    #23941619 - 12/19/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I see so much "love, light & forgiveness" rhetoric on far too many spiritualist boards. Love, light & forgiveness are ideals that SHOULD be striven towards, however some are beyond redemption. You think after awakening people are going to be sharing the gifts of love and forgiveness to those who have nigh-destroyed this planet and humanity? When this awakening reaches critical mass, I'll almost feel sorry for the poor bastards that kept this evil system of oppression alive, that fought as foot soldiers in the name of a demon masquerading as the one true god, and I don't mean Satan. Humanity obviously wasn't made to be enslaved, and the forces trying to make us into literal cattle for the slaughter are in for their own rude awakening.




Is our "evil system of oppression" somehow worse today than it has been in the past?  Go back through history ... was oppression worse now than in Egyptian times?  Roman Times?  How about the Mayans or Aztecs or Vikings or when the Roman Catholic Church controlled Europe?  Mao?  Stalin?  Consider the history of Africa?

Truth is, there has never been so much freedom, choice, education, information and options open to more people on the planet at one time than there is right now.  The idea that we will somehow get to some kind of golden age where we have spiritually based rulers that right the wrongs of greedy evil power hungry rulers is interesting but historically, there is zero evidence that we are headed in that direction. 

Is the human species nearing some kind of critical mass awakening moment?  Having traveled to 32 countries in the last 15 years, I see absolutely no evidence of it at all.  What seems to happen is we "get it" one at a time after a tremendous effort that most are simply not willing to commit to.  I could argue that we have never seen, in the history of mankind, more people suffering from some form of addiction (alcohol, pain pills, mood pills, internet, food/obesity, etc.) than ever before.  We are vulnerable to low quality leadership primarily because we're easily distracted.


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Re: Have you noticed? More people seem to be "waking up" now? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23941649 - 12/19/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Controlled folly in other words playing a role in a scene in your movie.  Carlos did it for years before making it official and creating his own cult of mind controlled women and a couple of men.  A liar, a sociopath with control issues, who withdrew virtually completely with his little cult of underlings.  I think the term was "erasing personal history".

Part of my personal awakening is to have seen con artist such as Carlos and Baghwan exposed.




Fiction is often the best vehicle for truth.


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