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Offline277volt808

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Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report
    #23937364 - 12/18/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

125Mg Hamalas

I looked at a syrian rue and acacia confusa as an anahuasca. I saw a syrian rue A/B extraction tek that looked like 1g from 50g of seeds. With dry hamalas divided into 125mg quantities, I looked at one 125mg dose of hamalas by itself...nothing to report.

So I was wondering if the extraction was a dud or 125mg just too little.

125Mg Hamalas+ 2g Syrian Rue Seed tea+ 5g Acacia Confusa tea

Another day I looked at both the hamalas and acacia. I looked at a 125mg dose of the hamalas and even boiled 2g of the seeds to stack on top of the extract just in case it was a dud. Then, 3x simmer Acacia (30 minutes each) with egg white at the end.

First off...syrian rue tea is something nasty. Mixing it with juice helped. After 30 minutes of syrian rue juice (+dry hamalas), I looked at the other tea. It was at that +30:00 that I felt a type of light head space.

After about +15 from the acacia I felt a mild psychedelic shift. I was in my living room with family and watching the Martha and Snoop Show...waiting for the football game to come on. I felt pretty comfortable with my setting, just that a nauseated feeling started to overwhelm the light high. I laid down in the room for a minute. At about +30 from the acacia (+1:00 from initial rue) I felt like I had to go to the bathroom to at least entertain the possibility of purging. I let myself have one dry heave and proceeded to purge everything. I washed up, drank some water, and went back out to the living room; I was feeling a lot better in terms of nausea, but it was still light and would come in waves.

My game came on and I laid on the floor watching it and enjoying the experience. I noticed I was able to focus and function completely normal without the effects. If I relaxed and kind of drifted into my state of mind, I could notice walls slightly breathing and the carpet patterns popping out in 3D.

It was about +2:00 from acacia that I was peaking. It was halftime, I was slowly getting the living room to myself, and I think the nausea was 95% gone. I especially began to notice the introspective benefits to the experience. I was having all these profound thoughts. One of those thoughts came from a particular interaction I had with someone in the house. It was a quick, normal, otherwise insignificant thing that had me thinking about our workings as humans on a grander scale. I was really enjoying this part of the experience.

The score of the game was tied at halftime but I felt my team was starting to get rolling in what was a really significant game. In hindsight, it was a gamble to mix my experience with sports that can leave me disappointed at times. Luckily we came out of halftime on fire. With the nausea gone, my team rolling, and things starting to settle down in the house, I started to really enjoy myself. I likened the feeling to a good time with L. So I peaked after 2 hours, held the peak for 1 hour, and had a smooth descent for the last 2 (5 total hours).

My overall take is this: I'm not sure if the nausea is worth it. The accessibility of anahuasca is better for me but it comes with strings attached IMO. It comes with the processing and it comes with the gross upset feeling for about 1-2 hours. I'm not sure if it was the syrian rue of acacia thought. I will have to try again with just (dry hamalas+ acacia) to see some results. I suspect the (dry hamalas/rue tea) might of been too much. I will report back.


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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report [Re: 277volt808]
    #23937386 - 12/18/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Another few takes:

They say go in empty stomach which I did. I skipped dinner which I never do. One thing I remember is that my  hunger was very discomforting. I would say that it amplified my hunger. Like my body wanted food but my nausea killed any appetite. I might try a really heavy meal at lunch instead next time.

Here I am the next morning and although I haven't ate since lunch yesterday- oops I forgot, I had pretzels right after I came down last night- since I haven't had much since lunch yesterday, my hunger isn't overwhelming like last night; I'm just simply ready for breakfast.

Another thing I remember is at the peak, when I was feeling all the great introspective qualities, I wanted to write them down in my computer and was hesitant to use the computer. I felt as though my mind was unraveling a conspiracy and how computer giants like google/facebook have us so well pegged. I was feeling like I tapped into the matrix (if that makes sense) and I didn't want them to know I was there... with them. I felt like my state of mind gave me access to behind the scenes. I felt like it would be best to operate on "silent mode". I definitely wouldn't condone my posting of this now but I need to share with you all. Man the imagination is funny at times, lol!


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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report [Re: 277volt808] * 1
    #23939052 - 12/18/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

2nd Day

200Mg Hamalas + 5g Acacia Confusa tea

Suspecting the syrian rue of being over bearing last time, I thought of a combo of just hamalas and then making the same 5g confusa tea. I had a bigger meal at lunch and gave it about 2 hours to digest instead of being "dead empty" stomach for hours like last time. So my body had a meal but I still waited for digestion. 200 Mg dry hamalas.

After +30 minutes from hamalas is a very light shift in head space. That's when confusa comes in. Confusa tea has a very weird taste. I remember thinking "jaguar ball furr" for whatever reason. Bearable when mixed with juice.

After +15 minutes from confusa tea effects can be felt. The familiar psychedelic head space...in a light way though. No signs of overbearing nausea which is the whole reason for adjustments. Just a little that was countered by ice water. Psychedelic head space continues to build; at +45 minutes from confusa tea nausea comes out of left field. Overwhelms pretty quickly and forces a purge with only about 10 seconds to react.

After that I was in there pretty good. I was cleaning the house as the fam was out and was pretty active. Another football game was starting. I was doing about 5 things at one time: laundry, dishes, straightening up, and another rue extract- well, it felt like 5.

Fam came home and I had been quickly peaking at +1:15 from confusa. I was able to focus good enough, finishing my work, and settled down on the couch to watch the game. When I was able to sit down, came the awesome introspective space again. I enjoyed this phase for about a good hour. In that hour I watched the game, thought about a lot of random stuff including the dynamics of a football team to my current relationship with different people around me. I felt a general sense of love and a deep want to improve. Not improve like I'm doing bad, but improve like taking it to the next level. Be a positive leader at work, facilitate a loving, engaged life for my family, and uplift people like friends close to me. The way confusa can help you heal/improve is getting to be noteworthy. At the end of that introspective hour (+2:15 from confusa), I had diarrhea come on pretty hard. It was a relieving thing and I took an equally satisfying hot shower.

+2:30 from confusa I glided down to a generally relaxed state and completely out of a psychedelic one. It was like a good afterglow that I enjoyed as we rented Home Alone in HD. The rest of the night was pretty chill and I thought I was totally normal at +5:00 and went to have dinner; I got only halfway done and was full with a slight belly ache- I normally eat good, no problem.

I enjoyed my clear thinking after glow for the rest of the night. Although I couldn't dodge the brief purging episode, I think it was more bearable and less lingering, especially after knowing what to expect. I have confirmed that despite looking at syrian rue in extract form, the confusa root bark alone is enough to bring inevitable nausea; it's just a part of the experience. The benefits to anahuasca are worth it to me. It may be a productive tool to use from time to time. What might be more useful is the information one can have after the experience. Time to get ready for a quick week of work before Christmas this coming weekend.


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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report [Re: 277volt808]
    #23940230 - 12/19/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nice trip report. Taking ayahuasca while watching football is a hilarious thought to me. :rofl:


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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report (moved) [Re: 277volt808]
    #23940547 - 12/19/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from Other Drugs Discussion.

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Ayahuasca (and general DMT threads) belong in The Psychedelic Experience. Thanks

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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report (moved) [Re: DustBunny]
    #23940792 - 12/19/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Have you tried taking just the Rue or Harmalas regularly for a bit? Doing so will build up a reverse tolerance, so the Harmalas get stronger each time which means you can slowly back down the dosage as you go along, but it also does away with Harmala-related side-effects such as the nausea, vomiting and body load/motor impairment, and makes stronger dosages easier to handle.

If the Harmala-related nausea/vomiting is knocked out, and you still get nausea/vomiting, it could be the tannins from the Acacia, which if you freeze and thaw the Acacia tea the tannins will crash out, and if you can decant or filter the tea pretty well without the sediment/tannins merging back into the water, it'll be a pretty clean tea especially with an egg white cleansing. I've had a lot of experiences with Rue and Mimosa, as well as Acacia, so i've had my fair share of nausea and vomiting, but i've also had really clean feeling experiences where there wasn't any nausea or vomiting.

I don't think nausea/vomiting has to be a part of the experience, but in some cases it can be a positive, like if you're too overwhelmed and want things to calm down you can purge and things will calm down, at least it does for me.


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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report (moved) [Re: Sabnock]
    #23942474 - 12/20/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That seems like a good gameplan Sabnock. I will look at the freeze-thaw-decant on the acacia.

I don't think the hamalas were bothering me but I might look at the hamalas again just to be sure.


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Re: Acacia and Rue Tea: 1st Look Report (moved) [Re: 277volt808]
    #23943227 - 12/20/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

277volt808 said:
That seems like a good gameplan Sabnock. I will look at the freeze-thaw-decant on the acacia.

I don't think the hamalas were bothering me but I might look at the hamalas again just to be sure.




Yeah definitely look at the Harmalas again, it's the Harmalas that are purgatives and if you take enough they will make you vomit, even if there isn't much nausea, usually makes me vomit around one and a half to two hours. But if the Harmala's reverse tolerance is built up a good bit, the Harmalas will no longer cause nausea or vomiting, then if you're still vomiting, i'd try to eliminate the tannins in the Acacia tea, then you should be good to go.

A good way to tell if it's the Harmalas or the Acacia making you vomit, is if you can get ahold of some Moclobemide, and use that to orally activate the Acacia/DMT, which usually offers a nausea/vomit free experience ime, which led me to the Harmalas being the source of the vomiting.


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