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Sheepish


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Goddamn! It has been awfully wet lately and we had a really cold week. I'm eagerly awaiting autumn to get into full swing! I've been eying out some mulch gardens on the way to work in the morning, but haven't noticed anything.
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Zen Peddler


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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: zebes]
#2437989 - 03/16/04 02:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only species that grows naturally in melbourne is Ps.subaeruginosa - which is identical to Ps.australiana. I grow azurescens, eucalypta and cyanescens and others in secret locations but arent naturally found here.
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jimbu
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i cant wait till the season starts..... *stamps feet impatiently*
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DestruKtiKon
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: jimbu]
#2438051 - 03/16/04 03:40 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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It getting colder
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zebes
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Re: P. subaeruginosa *DELETED* [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2438080 - 03/16/04 04:13 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Merkin
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: zebes]
#2438094 - 03/16/04 04:25 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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DestruKtiKon, so you didn't pick them?
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DestruKtiKon
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: Merkin]
#2439826 - 03/16/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nah, they were very little so I thought i'd leave them, then it got sunny for the last week and they all died. Its raining and cold again now though. I'll be keeping an eye on my patch until they start to go properly.
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haunted


Registered: 03/16/04
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Speaking of early mushrooms coming through, I have been picking P. Semilanceata for the past week at some of my favourite spots. Its been cold and wet so I guess that's why they're coming through early.
Haven't picked a huge amount, only a few hundred, but its enough ;-)
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DestruKtiKon
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: haunted]
#2440429 - 03/16/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice one!
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haunted


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Last mushie season I picked alot of P. subaeruginosa, but I noticed four different forms, all quite distinct, that have led me to believe that they are distinct species. The general descriptions are:
Type 1: Quite a rounded cap, bright golden brown colour, relatively thick stalk, growing on sandy/grassy areas
Type 2: Similar to above, but a much flatter cap with a 'nipple' (sorry don't know tech name), growing around pine trees and sand. Has a longer, thinner stalk and browner cap than type 1.
Type 3: This type is similar (if not exactly the same) to images I've seen of Ps. Cyanescens: Cap is flat with wavy edges, quite dark brown to almost black in colour, growing on sand and around pine trees. I would have thought they were Ps. Cyanescens, but "they don't grow in NZ"
Type 4: Squatter than others listed, growing on decomposing manuka wood. Quite similar to type 2 but smaller. This type I think may be Psilocybe Makarorae.
Does anyone have any ideas? I know they all sound similar (sorry I don't know how to do spore prints or anything) but when you see them growing in the same small area, and then hold them in your hand, they are obviously distinct from one another. I don't have any photos but in a week or two they should start coming up and i'll get the ol' digicam out.
Also a friend of mine, a person who knows alot about mushies, said he picked and then tripped off Copelandia Bispora last season, right here in Dunedin. I am determined to get some pictures of them this season as I've never heard of them growing in NZ before.
Boast: picked a Ps. Semilanceata the other day that was 25cm tall and had a 5.5 cm diameter
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DestruKtiKon
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: haunted]
#2441477 - 03/16/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Type 3 I also find and thought were Ps. Cyanescens, these are the most potent I find. I also find Type 1 and 2, I'm going to post some pics over the course of the season and hopefully get some proper ID's on them. The north island ones could be different again to the south island ones. Have you sampled your semilanceatas yet?
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haunted


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No, I haven't tried them yet - my studies are keeping me busy... There is a rave coming up soon though and they are always fun on mushies
I have had alot of semilanceata trips before, and I rate them higher than subaeruginosa for strength and feel. Do you find many up in Hamilton? I picked over 5000 last year (and could have easily got a lot more
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DestruKtiKon
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: haunted]
#2443805 - 03/17/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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We don't get them up here that I know of.
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Thoth
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hmmm merkaba lets go to some cow farms and look for some. dam i cant wait to get some this year, last year you consumed the subs we picked
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Merkin
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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: Thoth]
#2450778 - 03/19/04 06:53 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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hehehe, yeah, hopefully the weather starts to "worsen" soon, but as bluemeanie mentioned, the weather is predicted to be fairly dry
hopefully our "spot" will fruit once again this season !
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Zen Peddler


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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: haunted]
#2453198 - 03/19/04 11:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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semilanceata are the best shroom in my opinion - my first mushroom trip was on libs from the south island when i was over there on holiday. Im looking at ehading over later in the year and would be keen to chat to you guys about good spots for semilanceata and makarorae. I did find aussie subs to be more potent than the libs i tried, but their vibe was just awesome... As for the species thing, you would expect makarorae to grow in particular species of wood debris - nothofagus as example. Its a petite mushroom described as: Cap - 15-55mm conical to campulate, expanding to convex with prominent often more or less pointed umbo, yellow brown to orange brown, often paler between the striate margin - flesh white. This mushroom suposedly resembles P.caerulipes - so picks of that should give you some idea of what your looking for. Buchanan mentions finds in Bay of Plenty, Westland, Otago Lakes, Dunedin. In contrast Aucklandii is also quite interesting -growing of soils rich in wood debris - similar to weilli and zapotecorum. Reputed to be more potent than subaeruginosa and it certainly stank of psilicybin when i crunched up a jar of its mycelia spawned on grass seed. Its got a darker stem and looks again quite different to subaeruginosa. Subaeruginosa comes in a variety of forms - or variants/binomials. Since the varied macroscopic characteristics dont match the microscopic variations, it has been concluded that these variations - the umbonated azure lookalike, the brown umbrella shape, the yellowish eucalypta cap and the wavy-cap (australiana) are all just phenotype expressions of the same entity - Ps.subaeruginosa. They are all cross-compatible. Rule of thumb for subs is that if it looks like Ps.ccyanescens or Ps.azurescens, is growing off disturbed wood debris environments - particularly garden, landscape, pine mulch and its got greyish colouration to the stem, then its a sub. If its got yellowish, blackish-grey, white stringy fibrils on the stem, or is growing off an unusual type of wood in a more natural location, and is quite clearly unlike a member of the cyabnescens family, my advice would be cut a gill fragment, make a print and then send both express post to me!
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Zen Peddler


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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: zebes]
#2453211 - 03/19/04 11:42 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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we found a patch - 12 feet square - lost count at 3000 and we had only picked half...
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zebes
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Re: P. subaeruginosa *DELETED* [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2456289 - 03/21/04 01:41 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zen Peddler


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Re: P. subaeruginosa [Re: zebes]
#2456342 - 03/21/04 01:59 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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that was in a suburb on a shaded landscape garden infact.
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haunted


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When are you coming over to NZ bluemeanie? April-May are the best months for picking here. Dunedin is good for Semilanceata, Subs., Makarorae and I've heard of a few Copelandia Bispora picked here too, but have never picked any of those myself.
They are definitely popping up all over the place now Its been cold and wet today so I might go out this week sometime for a look
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