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    #23937747 - 12/18/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi,

I wanted to try microdosing with magic mushrooms for depression.  I read somewhere that you needed to take 0.5g for that.

I grew some mushrooms from spore syringes ordered from Spore works, dried them out using a fan, then with hot epsom salts in a plastic tub.  I bought some weighing scales for weighing small items and weighed the dried mushrooms in that until I got 0.5g.  I took it and felt nothing, nada.

So I decided to try taking them fresh, I grew them again, tore a segment off a fresh mushroom cap and ate it and again I felt nothing.

I have just finished growing some more and they started to fruit in the glasses, I hadn't had time to fruit them in a fruiting chamber.  By the time I came to pick them they had almost dried out on their own.  I weighed out 1 gram this time and took it and again felt nIo affect whatsoever.

whilst I don't want to have a big trip, I do want to feel some altered sense of perception to begin with.  A site I found on microdosing said two to three dried mushroom caps should equal about half a gram but when I weighed two fairly dried mushroom caps they weighed a gram.

I'm not sure what to do anymore.  I just want to know roughly how many fresh or dried mushrooms to take to have an altered sense of perception.  Can somebody please advise?


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Re: Really Confused [Re: denise1904]
    #23937751 - 12/18/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

For fresh dosage multiply by 10. 1 gram dry = 10 grams fresh. A microdose is 0.1g - 0.25 g dry, I wouldn't call 0.5g a microdose. The entire point of a microdose is that you won't feel an altered sense of perception. You aren't supposed to feel anything at all.

If you want to have a good time just take 1g dry/10 grams fresh. It's a very very mild altered sense of perception.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: Tiamo]
    #23937807 - 12/18/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

^What he said
-If you're micro-dosing, you shouldn't necessarily feel anything. Personally, I'd do about .25g and I'd feel rested and awake/mindful the whole day. Not sluggish like usual. But that's 100%, which leads to the next point.
-It must be 100% dry. I prefer a dehydrator because it's super easy, cheap, and gets it 100% dry in a few hours with certainty. If you're not 100% dry, you won't be able to accurately weigh the mushrooms, which leads to..
-Don't attempt to dry, unless you're going to dry 100%. So, if you wanna microdose, do about 2.5g fresh. That way you're certain to take an accurate dose. As stated above, it's about a multiple of 10, although I've personally found it to be a little more.
-Plus, it's not like an instant effect necessarily. I'd recommend trying it a couple times a week, for a week or two, before concluding anything. In my honest opinion, you'd be much better off actually dosing, in order to help with depression. Not sure how  experienced you are, but if you want to try it, do about 20-25g fresh(2-2.5gdry) after not eating for a few hours. maybe wash it down with some juice.

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Re: Really Confused [Re: camerinkw]
    #23937817 - 12/18/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

-Also, never go by "number of caps", that's ridiculous. Who the hell would know the size and everything. Like I said, go by weight, and either fully dry or fully wet. It's not worth guessing otherwise. If you want the link (and you have amazon(prime)) for the cheap but good dehydrator, lmk.
-And you won't have a "big trip" . I'm not going to try to preach here, but mushrooms are a wonderful thing and nothing to be afraid of. If you wanna try a mild trip, go for 10g fresh, as suggested above, but It may not be very intense/what you need. It's always better to be safe than sorry, just don't forget about tolerance.
-Space out your doses, for microdoses, every few days at least. If you want to trip on a normal/low dose, make sure to wait AT LEAST a week from any previous dose, preferably longer.

-If you end up deciding to actually dose, I'd love to help you out with everything! Either way, good luck!


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Re: Really Confused [Re: camerinkw]
    #23937818 - 12/18/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you stick them in front of a fan they'll be dry enough to store. They won't be cracker dry and your dosage might need to be increased a bit, but they're not going to mold and rot.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: denise1904]
    #23937981 - 12/18/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think taking regular full doses like 2 to 3 or even 4 grams is much MUCH more effective for depression than microdoses.

The only reason microdoses work is because well first of all you keep taking them and second off psilocybin does actually physiologically not just mentally cure depression through some kind of chemical mechanism.

Full doses work better though because it's not just a chemical relief and treatment but the trip itself deals with the issue of depression and shows you how to get over it psychologically because studies have shown that you can literally just stop depression just with your thoughts, it's a condition based on perspective and psilocybin lays this all out perfectly. You just have to take it with intent.
Getting through and over depression is definitely an overarching theme of the mushroom expiernece just like PTSD with ayahuasca or drug addiction with ibogaine.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 2
    #23938020 - 12/18/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Man you are eating tiny doses what do you expect? Saying "tore a segment off a fresh mushroom cap and ate it and again I felt nothing". I mean get real... I am not trying to sound harsh or mean here, but seriously.. Take 3 dried grams. Or take 30 wet grams. Make sure you aren't on medication and you wait 14 days between your last dose. A tiny dose wont do shit. Do not go into mushrooms with fear and restricting yourself to tiny doses then make threads saying "why didn't I break through". Why can't I trip? Have some courage and take at least 2.5 dried grams or 25 fresh if you are extensively timid. You cannot go into tripping trying to take a tiny dose and expect results.

Again not trying to be harsh and not trying to get you too high, just saying be real with yourself about dosage. 3 grams or even 2.5 grams wont be too much for you to handle. If you are too scared to have an actual psychedelic experience and take a moderate 2.5 gram dose you should honestly think about trying something other than psychs.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #23938159 - 12/18/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Grow a pair.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: Get Shwifty]
    #23938225 - 12/18/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid: and :whathesaid:

I understand easing into these things, but you should have done your research first and know what to expect from .5 grams, and I can tell you it won't be much.

I think this is why McKenna deemed the heroic dose at 5 grams, people just don't take enough and are quick to put off the experience without even putting a toe in the water.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: HamHead]
    #23938262 - 12/18/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

May i see a picture of your shrooms?


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Re: Really Confused [Re: HamHead]
    #23938289 - 12/18/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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psilocybinjunkie said:
....Again not trying to be harsh and not trying to get you too high, just saying be real with yourself about dosage. 3 grams or even 2.5 grams wont be too much for you to handle. If you are too scared to have an actual psychedelic experience and take a moderate 2.5 gram dose you should honestly think about trying something other than psychs.





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Get Shwifty said:
Grow a pair.





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....people just don't take enough and are quick to put off the experience without even putting a toe in the water.









Did you guys see the thread recently where some dude ate a mere 0.2g and had too strong of an experience, so he was considering taking even less than that and was even suggested by another member here to take a smaller  dose...so now he's thinking about taking a mere 50mg to 100mg piece of mushroom for his next "trip" .


I think ya'll need to drop some similar advice in that thread :lol: .







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Re: Really Confused [Re: denise1904]
    #23938717 - 12/18/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

0.25g or less is a microdose.
One dose in the morning once a day for a week then once every two days there on out.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: denise1904] * 1
    #23939494 - 12/18/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like u might have grown a bunk batch, which happens sometimes with certain strains, such as B + aka "bunk plus".


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Re: Really Confused [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23939550 - 12/19/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

mushrooms can vary in potency, quite a bit actually. i've had some where i ate 7 grams and had barely anything happen... and eaten 2.3 grams and had my world rocked.

if you're looking to combat depression, microdosing never worked for me... or from what i've seen, many others. therapeutically speaking, medium to large doses of psychedelics are often used. in the trials with LSD, it was 200-250ug for the end of life anxiety, and another report for cubensis saying that their 'sweet spot' was about an eigth. if your mushrooms are decently potent, that's probably where you might start, or at least right under it.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: 404]
    #23939885 - 12/19/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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404 said:
mushrooms can vary in potency, quite a bit actually. i've had some where i ate 7 grams and had barely anything happen... and eaten 2.3 grams and had my world rocked.

if you're looking to combat depression, microdosing never worked for me... or from what i've seen, many others. therapeutically speaking, medium to large doses of psychedelics are often used. in the trials with LSD, it was 200-250ug for the end of life anxiety, and another report for cubensis saying that their 'sweet spot' was about an eigth. if your mushrooms are decently potent, that's probably where you might start, or at least right under it.





Yeah I've had he exact same experiences and found dosage varies greatly depending on potency/drying


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Re: Really Confused [Re: denise1904]
    #23942162 - 12/20/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I grew some mushrooms from spore syringes ordered from Spore works
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Don't mention the sponsors if you're going to talk about how you used their products illegally. Their stuff is for microscopic use only.


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Re: Really Confused [Re: Get Shwifty]
    #23942331 - 12/20/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks to all of you for getting back to me  but did some of you actually READ my thread properly.  I said that ONCE I tore off a small strip, the other times I weighed it out properly.  The last time I took about 1.5g but the mushrooms had almost dried out so I am not sure if they were wet or dry.

The first time I took about 1G dried and never felt a thing.  Each time I have ordered the spores from the same supplier (one recommended on here) so I am wondering if there is something wrong with them.  I don't want to keep ordering off the same supplier, growing them and getting the same result.

I will take your advice about the weight of the fresh shrooms and grow some more and try that.  That's if I can grow some more.  I have tried dunking the cakes and putting them in a plastic box with wet perlite.

Can anyone message me privately and give me the name of a strain and a good supplier who will ship to the UK?

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Re: Really Confused [Re: Tiamo]
    #23942340 - 12/20/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Tiamo,

Thanks for explaining to me how the weighting works.  I did take 1 gram dry and didn't even feel more rested or mindful the next day.  I think the next time I am going to try either 3g dry or 30g fresh.  However, judging by the affects I am having with these mushrooms. I have a feeling I will take a higher dose and still feel nothing.

I am just wondering if this supplier is selling me a particularly weak strain but I am not sure what to order or which supplier to use for a stong strain.



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Re: Really Confused [Re: denise1904]
    #23942421 - 12/20/16 04:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi,

It's not the spores that are the issue. It's an issue with growing from spores in general. When growing from a multispore syringe you are playing the genetic lottery and your shrooms will turn out vastly different from mushroom to mushroom and cake to cake. It just happens because the spores mate.


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