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Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles (update: flushes are happening!)
    #23937445 - 12/18/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Everything was done per the Bottle Tek with the coir-based recipe.



Inoculated on 12/6 with liquid inoculant. It's been 12 days and the bottles looked colonized so I put a light amount (1/4 inch) of verm over them and misted them about 10x and then put 2 liter bottles over them which fit perfectly.

Oh and just before I put the bottle over it, I cleaned/removed all the uncolonized grain/particles on the inside wall so it won't be a vector for contamination. (Thanks to pastywhyte for that tip)

A very light amount of polyfill has replaced the cap. A fan is now running 24/7 in the room hitting the wall behind it. Hopefully this is enough FAE?

No other holes have been made in the bottle. (Some people stab holes in the bottle with a knife to increase FAE, do you think that's necessary?)

Here's a close up photo of the 3rd bottle from the left:


A timer with a 6500k CFL bulb has been setup to turn on 12 hours during the day and off the other 12 hours.

Now I just wait for pins, right? I don't really have to do anything else, yea?

Btw, I have more bottles coming, but I didn't have enough fully colonized to fill a tub yet but these seemed ready to fruit, so that's why I decided to set these up individually for now.



That's what the closet looks like. I need some proper furniture to organize these bitches. Any tips in regards to tables or shelfing or something, I'm all ears.

Edited to add: These are the conditions in the room. Humidity ranging from 27-36% and temps ranging from 71-78F in 24 hours.



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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23937454 - 12/18/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000] * 1
    #23937456 - 12/18/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Drill some 1/8" holes in the bottles to provide more FAE. Tape the holes and remove the tape if needed.

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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23937483 - 12/18/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Should I be afraid of making too many holes and humidity dropping down or the sub drying out too fast? Or is more FAE at the risk of lower humidity worth it? How do I find the balance there? (Also, there's a heater in the room that keeps the room at 72-75°F these days.)

I guess my real question is... if I do make holes in the soda-bottles, how do I know when I should cover the holes if there are too many?


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23937508 - 12/18/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Any idea what the relative humidity is in the room?  If it's high, maybe you can afford some holes, but if it's low, you may not need holes beyond the poly stuffed one at top.  With heat that high, you may have low humidity.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23937525 - 12/18/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I have a hygrometer that says the room is at about 30-40% humidity most of the time. Very rarely does it go to 50%


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000] * 1
    #23937536 - 12/18/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Keep this thread updated. You can see if you need to raise the FAE by the look of the fruits. As I wrote I would drill some holes and tape them. If you need to raise the FAE, remove the tape from two holes. If you need to raise it even more remove the tape from two more holes. Better to do this now than later. Maybe you don't need to raise the FAE but it's better to be prepared IMO. It is not much effort to drill some holes.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23937552 - 12/18/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh great you have hygrometer!!!!  With humidity that low, your concerns about drying out are justified IME. I wouldn't add holes unless I had a way to increase the room's humidity.  One of those humidifier gadgets in the room could raise your RH enough that you could afford some holes, but my preference would be leaving just as you have them unless you can get the room's humidity increased.

Sorry we're giving you conflicting advice :confused:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin] * 1
    #23937559 - 12/18/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry we're giving you conflicting advice :confused:




True. Sorry.
But the air needs to be replaced somehow and a single hole on the top stuffed with polyfil might not be sufficient IMO. Two small holes would provide a better air circulation. Without loosing too much humidity. :shrug:

But before my posts are too confusing... I better stop it now.

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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23937596 - 12/18/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with enlightenment that two tiny 1/8" holes aren't going to wreck the project.

If you do add holes, consider putting them as low as possible in the 2 liter bottle to create a draft/flow from bottom to to top.

Pins will come after you're fully colonized - looks like you're almost there.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23952957 - 12/23/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Any signs of knotting or pinning?


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23953108 - 12/24/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

NOPE!

Funny you ask me because today I was starting to get worried but then I searched and was reading threads about how long it takes to pin and people say it takes 7-10 days and so I told myself to just let it be for a few more days because it has only been 6 full days since I took the lids off and put the 2 liter bottles over them.

It's taking over the verm nicely. I'm not sure how to check if it's wet enough without actually touching the verm with my hands which I am not doing.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23953124 - 12/24/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You have to judge moisture by feeling the weight of the container and watching the growth.  Sounds like growth is good. 

Is there an air tight seal where the bottle joins the container or can some air move through?


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23953654 - 12/24/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You have to judge moisture by feeling the weight of the container and watching the growth.  Sounds like growth is good. 

Is there an air tight seal where the bottle joins the container or can some air move through?




It's an air tight seal.

Upon reviewing this thread and your suggestions, I think it would behoove me to ream 2 small holes near the bottom of the 2L bottles and covering them with micropore tape.

The substrate has definitely shrunk very slowly. And growth is definitely present. I'm not sure about the weight, but it would've been neat to weigh them before/after for shits and giggles. Thanks so much for your help! I feel loved. :heart:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23953673 - 12/24/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:  good plan - good luck  :cheer:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23953681 - 12/24/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The FAE increase and air circulation caused by the two holes should help to trigger the pinning. :goodluck:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: enlightenment]
    #23960017 - 12/27/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I come back to update this thread bearing gifts! And questions!

None of the bottles have produced any pins yet except for ONE OF THEM. I did something with that one particular bottle I didn't do with the others: A few days ago I had removed the 2-liter bottle off the top, misted it and then held a fan pointed at it for a solid 1-2 minutes then put the bottle back on.

On Christmas Day, my first pins appeared on only that bottle! And here is how it looks 36 hours later!



Questions: I noticed the baby mushies have white specks on them and that is supposed to be normal for cubensis, right? I also noticed the pins are fat and bulbous, not sure if you could make anything out of that. Also, how come some pins are growing sideways?


It's got a lot of side-pins, too...


(now I know the importance of tamping down the bottle hard so that the sides dont have air pockets after I inoculate it.)

Question: Do I mist at all while it's pinning? I read somewhere that you don't want soggy mushrooms, so you shouldn't be misting when the pins have already appeared. Is this true?

For the rest of the bottles, I took the top off and misted/fanned them, and hopefully in a few days they will have pins just like the above as well. I also put two, small 1/8th inch holes at the bottom of the pop-bottle tops.

Okay, one last question... What is Crystal-looking mycelium? One of the bottles had this more crystal-like mycelium as the best way to describe it. This is the best picture I could take to show what I mean, but it is more obvious in person:



Can you glean anything from it? (After I misted it, it lost the crystalized look to it.)


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23960185 - 12/27/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:cheer: :congrats:

I was just thinking yesterday that if your work is fully colonized, it might be time to start misting if no sign of pins so nice work on getting there first. 

White specks on cube caps are normal - it's the universal veil remnants.

I'd now put more holes in your bottle as enlightenment suggested (I'd go with two rows of 1/8 holes an inch apart staggered around the bottom perimeter. 

And then put yourself on a misting schedule of misting when they look dry.  Depending on your FAE in the room, you may need to tape up most of your holes when you need to be away extended blocks of time.  Like maybe even overnight although if you mist before bed and upon waking, they should make it holes open unless your enviro is just super dry.

Not sure what you were seeing with the crystal-looking mycelium.  That example looks happy and normal to me.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23960224 - 12/27/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the help Sarah!  Is it okay to mist after pins have appeared? Or do I just let them be and make sure they getting air?


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23960236 - 12/27/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, cubes love misting and fanning!  You don't have to fan them dry though.  But when they are dry, feel free to mist them lightly, 3-4 times a day if needed.  Kind of a watch and see thing.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23960254 - 12/27/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



Is this something like the crystal effect you're talking about?  If so, it's mycelium holding moisture droplets...  these are pan cambos btw


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23960262 - 12/27/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, cubes love misting and fanning!  You don't have to fan them dry though.  But when they are dry, feel free to mist them lightly, 3-4 times a day if needed.  Kind of a watch and see thing.





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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23961405 - 12/27/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Is this something like the crystal effect you're talking about?  If so, it's mycelium holding moisture droplets...  these are pan cambos btw




Nope. I looked up HYPHAL KNOTS on google images and turns out that's what the crystalized mycelium is!!!!!!!!! That means pinnies on the way for the other bottles!

The side pins are definitely exploding on them already:



And these are some updated photos of the first bottle that's pinned:







Oh god this shit is so beautiful.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23962387 - 12/28/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

how are yield better then bulk sub?


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Theblingbling]
    #23962512 - 12/28/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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how are yield better then bulk sub?




I'll let you know when the harvest comes around!


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23964340 - 12/28/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Update: ALL the bottles look like this all around. Side pins like crazy! Are they even harvestable?



And here's the one king bottle of amazingness doubling in size every 24 hours:



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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23964396 - 12/29/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That Manny side pins makes me think your verm casing is too dry. I also poke quite a few holes when I use pop bottles like that. I'm fanatical about FAE though.

Those side pins can be harvested easily enough. Just pop the substrate out of the container when the time comes.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23969073 - 12/30/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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And here's the one king bottle of amazingness doubling in size every 24 hours:






UPDATE ON THIS BOTTLE!!! My baby boy has grown! Please help me know if it's time to pick one or all of them.



Are these ready? They have been growing exponentially larger every day. Today the caps flattened up and opened up much wider, in a way they never had in the previous day. I want to learn if it's harvest time. Do I take the substrate out and cut all of these off with a scissor? Or only pick a few that are ready? I want to clone the biggest one, lol.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23969081 - 12/30/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:super:  scissor time!  Once you see gills, best to harvest before the spore dump gets heavy.  The ones that aren't open can go a little longer if you want to let them open.  Or not.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23969086 - 12/30/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Will they slide out enough that you can make clean cuts at good angles?


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23969107 - 12/30/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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:super:  scissor time!  Once you see gills, best to harvest before the spore dump gets heavy.  The ones that aren't open can go a little longer if you want to let them open.  Or not.




Sarah! Thank you for guiding me! Awesome. When you say if I see gills, you mean from underneath when the veil breaks? The veil ripped at least a day ago but they were still growing super fast so I wanted to see if it would keep growing.

The pins appeared on Christmas day, so it's been fruiting for 6 days exactly.

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Will they slide out enough that you can make clean cuts at good angles?




Yes these are really easy to slide out cause they are wide mouthed. There's a ton of side pins too. Should I harvest them too? They're getting smashed against the plastic and some are even bruising from being smashed.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23969127 - 12/30/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sure, may as well harvest all at once. Will be interesting to see the yield. If you dont wanna do that just yet, cut the caps off the big ones and make spore prints with them whilst you wait for the side pins to get even bigger.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #23969193 - 12/30/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You got it AK1000, looking good

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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23969205 - 12/30/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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When you say if I see gills, you mean from underneath when the veil breaks? The veil ripped at least a day ago but they were still growing super fast so I wanted to see if it would keep growing.




Yes, shortly after that veil breaks is when I like to harvest unless I want prints, which in that case, I'll let them open up more to about where your big ones are now, flattish.  I try to harvest right at veil break because I think they taste better before the spores get heavy.  Also have read some believe that potency can drop off as spore production ramps up.

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There's a ton of side pins too. Should I harvest them too? They're getting smashed against the plastic and some are even bruising from being smashed.




I'd harvest them.  Pins can be super potent so be careful.

Another option for heavy side-pinning ones is to put them into a SGFC and fruit them like cakes (out of their containers, of course) to let those side pins have a life and some room.  But you probably don't have one of those lying around yet.  They are handy.  Might put it on your wish list  :wink:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: TheDuder]
    #23969213 - 12/30/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



Thank you, it's so beautiful and everyones support is so precious it makes me want to cry.

This is my first successful grow in 12 years since getting back into the hobby and I had a lot of failures that prevented me from reaching this stage but it's happening! Thank you! Now, to search for tips on how to best dehydrate these babies.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23969295 - 12/30/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:mushroom2:  5 shrooms for you, nice work, AK.

I remember the awe when I first realized the depth of skill here and that I could get an answer to any question, usually within minutes. 

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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23974757 - 01/02/17 01:05 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Update!

This bottle, which I asked about recently...

Looks like this out of the bottle:



:shocked:

I removed all the mushrooms and side pins and it came out to 73grams fresh.  I ran it on my Excalibur dehydrator at 165F (the highest setting) for 6 hours and it was definitely cracker dry and it came out to 8.8 grams dry much to my shock (I thought it would be 7.3g dry).

The other 3 bottles are slowly coming along, they're about a week behind because I didn't fan/mist them like I did with the above bottle (that was the only difference I could account for).

This is what the 3 other bottles currently look like:


Edited by AK1000 (01/02/17 01:14 AM)


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23974782 - 01/02/17 01:23 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

:congrats:  :hatsoff:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23975542 - 01/02/17 10:00 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Super cool OP, well done!


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #23977641 - 01/02/17 11:29 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

This is really interesting. Can't wait to try this tek. Going to make a slurry tomorrow and get started. Good job.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23980391 - 01/04/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Original bottle:
Quote:

AK1000 said:







Update! I harvested the mushrooms from the bottle above and its second flush started within a day or two... unbelievable! This is what it looks like barely 3 days later:



Quote:


This is what the 3 other bottles currently look like:






THESE GUYS EXPLODED. LITERALLY IN 24 HOURS THEY BECAME WAY MORE THAN DOUBLE THEIR SIZE! See for yourself!



On one of the bottles, some of the mushrooms look like they are blue-ish right under the cap. Here's a close up photo to show what I mean.



Does it mean anything?

I will update when it's harvest time and report back to how much shroomies this is coming out to in weight.


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23980667 - 01/04/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Nice job AK1000!  Looks like you're doing it right! :rockon:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: theMickster]
    #23989119 - 01/07/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Just wanted to update.



Everything is flushing like crazy and on its 2nd flush, averaging about 8 grams (dry) per flush, per bottle. I probably won't update this thread anymore. I'm sticking to monotubs from now on now that I have many of them prepared. It's been fun seeing it can be done with a simple 2 liter bottle as well. :smile:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: AK1000]
    #23989134 - 01/07/17 10:48 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

:leocheers:


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Re: Bottle Tek retrofitted with 2 liter bottles, is it setup all right? [Re: Sarah Tonin]
    #23990583 - 01/07/17 07:26 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

This was cool to follow, thanks OP and good luck with your monos.


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