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Invisiblepyron
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2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping?
    #23936148 - 12/17/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is my second attempt to trip with shrooms, last time I tried 20 gram fresh and nothing happened except being a little bit drunk, so I upped the dosage to 40 grams. But I still did not get what I wanted, not even close! I'm frustrated and very disappointed, I need some consoling from you guys.

Note: I grew myself the shrooms I consumed, it was a mixture of EQ and B+ (about 5:1).

I ingested 40 grams this morning around 10 AM with an empty stomach (been fasting for 13 hours at this point). Then I sat on the couch for a 30-minute meditation, nothing happened, then I surfed online for some stuff, about 50 minutes passed, I started to feel dizzy.

Then the dizziness got worse and I felt very drunk (I did not consume any alcohol), so I lied on my bed. I started to shift in and out of the dream world, and I heard this electric zapping sound in my mind a few times, one time it was loud enough to wake me up. So I looked up on my phone about this sound, and saw some other people who were on shrooms also had it, that made me feel a bit better.

I was easily entertained in this mental state, I would giggle about stuff that was not even funny.

Also, I experienced frequently a twitching urge in my lower abdominal and inner thigh, causing my whole body to twitch pretty violently, that's quite strange.

I then felt very hungry, so I got up and wobbled to the kitchen to have some peanut butter sandwiches, I did not like feeling intoxicated, this was not what I was looking for.

Then I went back to bed and fell asleep(at around 12:30 PM, after I woke up at 9 AM with a 7-hours sleep), woke up at 4 PM, that's 6 hours past ingestion time, I did not remember my dreams.

THAT'S IT! Nothing else, just being drunk and easy to giggle, that's it, that's NOT what I was looking for. Where are the visuals? Where are the colors? Where are the "beings"? Where are the introspective thoughts? Where's the out of body experience? Where's the ego death?

90% of the reason I was shrooming was spiritual exploration, but it failed me, twice.

And do you call this being "high"? (never had any other drugs in my life, not even weed, so this is a legit question) I call it drunk. It was very similar to how I felt after taking narcotic painkillers, and I did not like it at all.

I spent all this time studying and growing the shrooms, and this was all I got for return, I'm very disappointed now, please give your thoughts.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron] * 1
    #23936186 - 12/17/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea you didn't take enough or they weren't very potent.  Sounds like what I experience from a gram or so.  That drunken feeling is highly uncomfortable and I've only had that happen on low doses.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23936193 - 12/17/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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pyron said:
This is my second attempt to trip with shrooms, last time I tried 20 gram fresh and nothing happened except being a little bit drunk, so I upped the dosage to 40 grams. But I still did not get what I wanted, not even close! I'm frustrated and very disappointed, I need some consoling from you guys.

Note: I grew myself the shrooms I consumed, it was a mixture of EQ and B+ (about 5:1).

I ingested 40 grams this morning around 10 AM with an empty stomach (been fasting for 13 hours at this point). Then I sat on the couch for a 30-minute meditation, nothing happened, then I surfed online for some stuff, about 50 minutes passed, I started to feel dizzy.

Then the dizziness got worse and I felt very drunk (I did not consume any alcohol), so I lied on my bed. I started to shift in and out of the dream world, and I heard this electric zapping sound in my mind a few times, one time it was loud enough to wake me up. So I looked up on my phone about this sound, and saw some other people who were on shrooms also had it, that made me feel a bit better.

I was easily entertained in this mental state, I would giggle about stuff that was not even funny.

I then felt very hungry, so I got up and wobbled to the kitchen to have some peanut butter sandwiches, I did not like feeling intoxicated, this was not what I was looking for.

Then I went back to bed and fell asleep(at around 12:30 PM, after I woke up at 9 AM with a 7-hours sleep), woke up at 4 PM, that's 6 hours past ingestion time, I did not remember my dreams.

THAT'S IT! Nothing else, just being drunk and easy to giggle, that's it, that's NOT what I was looking for. Where are the visuals? Where are the colors? Where are the "beings"? Where are the introspective thoughts? Where's the out of body experience? Where's the ego death?

90% of the reason I was shrooming was spiritual exploration, but it failed me, twice.

And do you call this being "high"? (never had any other drugs in my life, not even weed, so this is a legit question) I call it drunk. It was very similar to how I felt after taking narcotic painkillers, and I did not like it at all.

I spent all this time studying and growing the shrooms, and this was all I got for return, I'm very disappointed now, please give your thoughts.




Sounds like very, very low potency mushrooms.  It helps a lot to take them on an empty stomach ... I much prefer dried and made into a tea with honey and lemon, find it comes on better in tea form ... probably easier to digest, I don't know.  Still, 40 grams wet is like 4 grams dry and that's a solid dose of even medium potency fruits.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23936195 - 12/17/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My first 3-7 trips were nothing like the ones after that. I didn't feel drunk or wobbly at all but it was mainly just finding everything very funny though I did have a nice afterglow and as it went on inspiring thoughts and such. After that I had a mind blowing trip that is everything you would imagine and more. I wouldn't give up yet, I think mushrooms maybe allow you to tune your receiver into things that wouod otherwise be very difficult but you still have tomanually point it in that direction which can take some practice.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23936216 - 12/17/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

IME, 40 wet dries out to about 3~3.5g. From what I read, that's about what I get from that dose, not many visuals, maybe some brighter colors and that drunk wobbly leg feeling.

Don't be discouraged OP, maybe try drying your fruits and trying a little larger dose, or try 3.5 and see if you notice the difference between wet and dried fruits.

Also, i recommed to grind up way more mushrooms than you intend to dose, like 3-5x, and then weigh your dose out, this way any variance in potency between fruits is better negated and you get a better feeling for how much you can dose out of each batch you grind up.

And another thing, it's not all about visuals. Sure, they're cool to look at and watch the walls melt and the ceiling flow like water, but they are only a distraction from the pure light. After working with the mushrooms for a couple years now, I don't really trip for the visuals, but more for the clear mind they provide, with no thought or inner dialogue, I can truly be in the moment and just be alive.

Good luck OP, I hope you get what you're looking for. I can say this, be careful when diving down the rabbit hole unprepared, you can easily get lost down there and completely forget who or even what you are. For some, it can be terrifying while for others seeking to explore, IMO there's no better tool to look at your own psyche than the entheogens, when used in the proper context.

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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: HamHead]
    #23936254 - 12/17/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the encouragement guys, I'll think about buying a dehydrator and try it again with dried shrooms, maybe upped the dosage to 5 grams dried.

Problem is, I don't really trust the mushrooms I grew any more, maybe I got super weak ass spores from my vendor, so I'm also thinking about trying a different source. I'm not really sure I would want to go through the growing cycle again, so I need to figure out where I can buy dried shrooms directly, maybe the dark web? I'm open to ideas.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23936315 - 12/17/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

pyron said:
Thanks for all the encouragement guys, I'll think about buying a dehydrator and try it again with dried shrooms, maybe upped the dosage to 5 grams dried.

Problem is, I don't really trust the mushrooms I grew any more, maybe I got super weak ass spores from my vendor, so I'm also thinking about trying a different source. I'm not really sure I would want to go through the growing cycle again, so I need to figure out where I can buy dried shrooms directly, maybe the dark web? I'm open to ideas.




I approach them the same way you're trying ... as a spiritual booster and for me, they are fantastic.  I typically like to do it first thing in the morning ... early.  I make a tea from dried, powdered mushies then lay down and put on headphones of an om chant or binaural beats (Monroe's Hemi Synch are really good).  Then I try and take the first 90 minutes with eyes completely closed ignoring any impulse to get up, check the clock or go "do something."  That's the gateway for me to inner visuals, astral journeys and mind blowing insights.

I'd stick with growing if you want to explore this.  I seriously doubt you got low potency spores, you just need to keep working on your growing skills.  They are so easy to grow once you get the hang of it then  you'll always know your potency and dosage and you'll probably start to enjoy the growing process as many do.  In some ways, I think growing them is more fun than taking them.  I completely agree with grinding/powdering so you know exactly what you're getting in terms of dosage.  Trust me, the experience is there ... they are spiritual journey turbo chargers.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23936318 - 12/17/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Keep on at it, you just need to take a higher dose. You'll get there eventually. Enjoy the ride in the meantime. Don't rush it. Take your time.

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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23936327 - 12/17/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

pyron said:
This is my second attempt to trip with shrooms, last time I tried 20 gram fresh and nothing happened except being a little bit drunk, so I upped the dosage to 40 grams. But I still did not get what I wanted, not even close! I'm frustrated and very disappointed,




Dude I told you in the other thread that would happen. If 20 grams did nothing why would 40 grams do something? Makes no sense.

They're weak mushrooms.
Taking a large amount of weak mushrooms will NEVER I repeat never get you to where decent or potent mushrooms will get you. It will never happen I promise you. Take it from someone who's been there. Simply taking more is just a waste of time if the quality isn't decent.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23936362 - 12/17/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's what happens when you wait 2 days before tripping again.
We've told you on your last thread that you should wait at least a week
or you'll get nothing. what a waste.

good luck on ordering your next strains though. peace.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23936545 - 12/17/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yeah I remember reading this guys last post no more than a couple days ago. 

OP, if you got effects after only 2 days between trips than there's at least some potency there. 

You may have low potency shrooms, but this particular wasted trip was definitely your error.

Wait 2 weeks and do 5 grams dried (around 60 grams fresh) and you should get something more substantial.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23936984 - 12/18/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The reason I only waited for 3 days was because I didn't have a dehydrator and wasn't sure if it was worth it to invest in a dehydrator if drunkness is all mushrooms can give me. If I waited a week without a dehydrator, those shrooms would have gone bad in the fridge.

And I read about someone who took another dose of shrooms a few days after the previous one, and he had a meaningful trip.


Edited by pyron (12/18/16 12:04 AM)


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23937903 - 12/18/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Put them in front of a fan or something and they should dry well enough to store. They won't be cracker dry unless you live in a dry climate, but you at least don't have to worry about losing them to rot. That's how I dry all of mine and then I put them in a 5 gallon desiccant chamber. I used to use a dehydrator, but I found this is much easier for large amounts, I could only fit about 4 ounces if I packed my desiccator full and that was placing them pragmatically. I can throw a couple pounds on my large box fan I bet.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23938186 - 12/18/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
I can throw a couple pounds on my large box fan I bet.





Add a heat source and you've just made yourself an oversized dehydrator.
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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: HamHead]
    #23938723 - 12/18/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Anything above 2g dry is tripping and 40g wet is decent.
Heroic doses start at around 5g dry so I guess yours wasn't heroic.

Most I did wet was about 100g, ended up dancing through the streets shirtless :tongue2:


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23938755 - 12/18/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm gonna try this, how long should I fan them? 24 hours?


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23938803 - 12/18/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's happened to me twice. I had to eat 80 grams fresh once to have a level 5 trip, which a level 5 trip appears to be what you are looking for.

Also I liquify my shrooms in a blender with a glass of orange juice, some people claim orange juice is a potentiator, i don't know if that's true or not. Last of all 80 grams fresh would equal about 8 grams dried Which is a lot but many people on this site have done more than 8 grams dried. You just need to find an amount that works for you.

Besides there is a bright side it's better to have a weak trip the first couple of times than a trip that's to strong and terrifying that it traumatizes you.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23938881 - 12/18/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A food dehydrator is a much better option than fanning for a small-medium amount. I would highly recommend a food dehydrator.


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: a wing and prayer]
    #23939063 - 12/18/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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a wing and prayer said:
Also I liquify my shrooms in a blender with a glass of orange juice, some people claim orange juice is a potentiator, i don't know if that's true or not.




Haha I always mix it with orange juice just incase that is true. I can't find it anywhere but I swear I read an article or something about a study done in the 60s with LSD and vitamin C and supposedly it was shown to make the trip easier to control but I don't know to what degree. They said it didn't potentiate or diminish the trip, it just allowed more control over it.
I wish I could find that article.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (12/18/16 07:58 PM)


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Re: 2nd attempt, tried 40 gram fresh today, do you call this tripping? [Re: pyron]
    #23939076 - 12/18/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

40grms fresh would make me want to eat more shrooms, that's about it.:grin:


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