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Re: How would you define someone who [Re: akira_akuma]
#23935344 - 12/17/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How would you define someone who [Re: wicca mixer]
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wicca mixer said: Nobody has their life together. Everyone is just winging it. Most people haven't even noticed that this life is a journey from one point to another (like a long train journey perhaps)and just set up camp like it's going to last forever. The only things you take out of this life are internal, and yet people spend their lives amassing wealth and trinkets. Nobody has their life together 
Well a Buddhist monk might spend their whole life training to accept all circumstances, to be adaptable and ready for anything. Would you say the monks who lit themselves on fire without flinching didnt have their shit together psychologically?
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 1
#23935420 - 12/17/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me, having your shit together means knowing your Self, to be genuinely devoted to the pursuit of aiding in the alleviation of the suffering of all sentient beings: compassion.
Of course, it's important to take care of ourselves with shelter and food and all that, but none of that means anything if you're just an asshole.
The most important thing, I think, is to be effective at living compassionately, to aid in the happiness of yourself and others.
As akira has been vociferously yet indirectly debating, having your shit together is going to be based on subjective qualifications, and economic security is certainly not a model of ethical behavior.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23935904 - 12/17/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes it is subjective. So my opinion holds just as much weight as Akira's.
Akira is a lazy bum who mooches off his parents. As mentioned in one of his posts, his step dad has a problem with it but after getting the defensive akira rambling we are all accustomed to on the shroomery, he doesn't press the issue anymore.
He can sugar coat his reasoning as much as he wants. At the end of the day, it's him...and all of us...just having our own biased opinions.
So when a thread pops up asking people for their opinions about what they think it means to have their life together and the majority all describe similar traits...traits the opposite of Akira, it is no wonder his feathers get so ruffled. But its a little preposterous for him to start the whole thing off with claiming "bullshit".
Akira, I claim Bullshit on your ideologies and defense. 
I don't think you have your life together. Far from it.
You can write me an essay, but we are both entitled to our opinion 
I should note akira, im not trying to be malicious. I don't think you are a bad person or anything.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Masked]
#23935923 - 12/17/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree that your opinion is just as worthwhile as Akira's, but to be fair Akira has some good points. It's not necessarily going out and getting a job at the bottom rung which makes everything better in someone's life.
I do have a job in an entry level position of a big corporation, so I can vouch for how stressful that can be, and if you don't 'need' to do that, then by all means go ahead and avoid it for as long as you can. Yes, he's relying on the kindness of his family to support him, but we all rely on kindness to see us through life. I think he is a valid member of society and that he's just finding his path through life in a way which happens to be slightly different than your way.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23935986 - 12/17/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Akira is a lazy bum who mooches off his parents. As mentioned in one of his posts, his step dad has a problem with it but after getting the defensive akira rambling we are all accustomed to on the shroomery, he doesn't press the issue anymore.
his (refers to self in the third person...lol) step dad never received anything like you assume. typical. he has never mentioned anything more than a curiosity over whether i want something more- similar to what Crystal had mentioned. he wasn't saying "he has a problem with it". you don't know shit. in fact, because he's a happy guy, he doesn't care if i stay at home here. sometimes he comes home and is like "here, got something for you". and i'm like "oh cool, that's sweet."
i don't mooch off of anyone.
you really don't know me, my family, or how we interact or what we're like. you've got it in your head that we are our typical shitshow- thing is the shitshow part (teenagers, pft) is over and has been for a long time. my mom tried that shit with me. didn't work. she considers the fact that i've been diagnosed with ADHD (though can't understand it, but nevertheless...) and assumes that i won't do so and so, because i'm lazy -- but this has been proven wrong time and time again, and my step-dad knows it. if i'm told to do something, i have a common rule of thumb...let me do it, but not only on her time-frame, her schedule (and i try and work with her on that but...), she often is a control-freak and feels like everything is out of control when something doesn't get done immediately...that's her problem. she says "might as well do it now", because that's how she operates. she doesn't want anything on 'the list' of things to do, she just wants it all done right away.
well, i don't indulge such notions- ask me, and i'll do it. tell me to do it, i probably won't. insist that i do it, or i'm *insert thing here*, i won't do it, definitely.
try and remind me constantly, when i already said i'd do it...chances are i won't do it.
leave me be, and i'll do it.
it's that simple. she's gotten quite used to it, and she's mostly quite aware that i will- just doesn't always connect in her brain, at times, that that's how things work.
and also, i forgo things easily, when i feel it is either useless, or i've massively tired, which is frequent enough that it happens enough, where i feel i should do better. but it's always about small and insignificant things, like dishes...yeah. dishes. if i'm dead-tired, and have no energy, i will space on things, because i can't find the energy to relegate my time for those things. they are piddling concerns. but if i have the energy, i'll do it without a second thought. i'm not lazy. i have problems keeping piddling tasks in line, because A: i have trouble accumulating energy and sleep (i have insomnia, in case you couldn't tell) and B: if i was to do everything my mom wished of me, she'd have nothing to do. can't tell you how many times she insisted on doing the damn thing that i'm wiling to do, but she says "nah, it's ok, i'll do it."
she needs something to do. not my fault she's a boring person.
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I don't think you have your life together. Far from it.
life doesn't "come together".
misnomer. life is always chaotic and messy.
all of your notions, by all of you (save Chakra's notion of compassion- ethics- which is more accurate than any of the, frankly, bullshit, you guys are pushing), are based on unrealistic expectations, and for the most part, are hand-outs...if you have your "life together" by having job, money, house, car, ect...you've had at least some of those things handed to you. unless you've got all those things at once, already (and aren't just setting those nifty expectations), and you worked for it all yourself, when you do that, then you can give me your shit.
sorry.
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Yes, he's relying on the kindness of his family to support him, but we all rely on kindness to see us through life. I think he is a valid member of society and that he's just finding his path through life in a way which happens to be slightly different than your way.
essay aside- that pretty much covers it, Chakra. i don't see the problem with getting by and relying on my families kindness, and they are kind. kindest people i know. if i had that stressful corporate job...if i didn't own it, i probably wouldn't bother. i don't take orders very well, and when my initiative doesn't get appreciated (or is cause for reprimand), you know what i'd probably do...quit. probably with a middle finger raised. i don't take kindly to authoritarian bullshit.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23936092 - 12/17/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sugar coat it any way you want...or use adhd as reasoning or excuses....it does nothing for me. All I see is colourful, defensive language
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when you do that, then you can give me your shit.
OK. A stable job, place, things, truck, food, heat, electricity, Internet, phones, money for hobbies, clothes, etc...and all of this not just for me but for kids as well, one that isn't biologically mine(and im not with the mother). Regular fitness routine, fairly clean lifestyle, social life, etc.
I still don't have my life together as much as I'd like, but I've worked for everything I have. I come from nothing.
And I help supplement someone else's income at the moment on top of it all.
I think I can say quite confidently that I have my life together to a much higher standard than you.
But that's just like my opinion man *big lebowski quotes for the win lol*
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Masked]
#23936159 - 12/17/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sugar coat it any way you want...or use adhd as reasoning or excuses....it does nothing for me. All I see is colourful, defensive language
thing is, if you can confuse and explanation for an excuse, you have fallacious reasoning and logic...ie, you're lacking logical reasoning, and are full of shit.
plus, i haven't used my ADHD as an excuse or even as a rationalization. i just mentioned it off-hand. see how absolutely full of a dogshit you are? take off the ideological lens and learn to see clearly, without smeared crap over your eyes. 
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But that's just like my opinion man *big lebowski quotes for the win lol*
your opinion is a farce.
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K. A stable job, place, things, truck, food, heat, electricity, Internet, phones, money for hobbies, clothes, etc...and all of this not just for me but for kids as well, one that isn't biologically mine(and im not with the mother). Regular fitness routine, fairly clean lifestyle, social life, etc.
utilities and a stable job, place, truck, food, and money for hobbies (expensive hobbies? really. and what happens when they aren't expensive? are they not hobbies, no, of course they are), you have kids (do i have to knock-up some bitch, leave her, and have the kids piled onto my lap, to be a productive member of society, no, i don't; your dogshit logic reveals itself again) regular fitness routine (again, who cares? nobody), fairly clean lifestyle (not spotless? i, frankly, teeter on spotless, unless i'm too tired to care; when i've got energy though, watch out), social life (again, you need this to be a productive member of society?)
good for you. none of your shit is applicable to me. you're you. i'm me. 
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I still don't have my life together as much as I'd like, but I've worked for everything I have. I come from nothing.
fan-fucking-tastic...so go and "get your life together" (with those lovely expectations that you hold as the standard for everyone else, even though your opinion is dogshit to me- and also based on bullshit, but that's already been established) and understand that A: in my opinion (and in fact) your expectations are still unfulfilled, and based on your idyllic bullshit expectations you still haven't a rationale to be nagging at me, you haven't even got your own life together by your own standard. pathetic. in fact, doubly pathetic.
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And I help supplement someone else's income at the moment on top of it all.
lol, and you hate her. i remember your weepy poem.
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I think I can say quite confidently that I have my life together to a much higher standard than you.
ok, dogshit, but ok. (but don't think so though.) i think my life is a lot moe productive than yours. you've got some things to take care of...doesn't make you productive. you're making your own excuses. if you haven't done "got your life together yo", and you're lecturing me, you're living a life of excuses, and you're projecting. ironic.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23936207 - 12/17/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just confirmed my suspicions:
You "think" you can rationalize why you do have your life together, when in fact you don't.
Your opinion on your bum status can be summed up in one word:
Bullshit
P.s. you DID try to work your adhd into your rationalization. You aren't fooling me lol
All I said is you clearly don't have your life together. You told me that it's likely I have had it handed to me at some point which I explained I didn't. Me having kids or a job or whatever wasn't my reasoning why YOU don't have your life together. I knew you'd try to play that angle. I should have beat you to it...i expected you to say something along the lines of "i need to shit out kids to have my life together". Nope, not what I said or am saying at all.
I think the fact that I can take care of not only my life, but others, including supplementing someone I hate(which how you could use this against me is laughable), shows having ones life together.
You can't even provide the basic necessities or luxuries of daily life for yourself...let alone others. Mommy and daddy pay your way.
Each to there own of course. You have your opinion (its shit IMO) and I have mine.
You do NOT have your life together.
That being said...I've come a long way as a person. In the past, I would judge you heavily for not having your life together according to my personal standards. But as I get older I realize, as Chakra touched on, people have a different perspective on what it means to live life.
You don't seem to be hurting anyway so hey, each to their own man
But when asked on a message board what it means to me to personally have my life together and I answer with similar traits like many before me did...and a grown, jobless man who lives with mom and dad, tells me it's Bullshit...well, of course I'm going to call him on it.
You keep trying to make the lot of us feel like we have some sort of flaw and/or unfulfilled or whatever...all while claiming our opinion is Bullshit. It's absurd akira.
Get a job hippy
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Masked] 1
#23936233 - 12/17/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Generally speaking, a good rule of thumb for "having your life together" is whether you would be able to sufficiently raise a kid or not in the situation you are in.
If you would be able to, then you have your life together. But if you wouldn't even be able to buy diapers and send the kid to the doctor, then you don't.
Why? Because how can you be expected to care for a child if you aren't even capable of caring for your own self?
Simple.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Masked] 1
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Masked said: All I said is you clearly don't have your life together. You told me that it's likely I have had it handed to me at some point which I explained I didn't. Me having kids or a job or whatever wasn't my reasoning why YOU don't have your life together. I knew you'd try to play that angle. I should have beat you to it...i expected you to say something along the lines of "i need to shit out kids to have my life together". Nope, not what I said or am saying at all.
I think the fact that I can take care of not only my life, but others, including supplementing someone I hate(which how you could use this against me is laughable), shows having ones life together.
You can't even provide the basic necessities or luxuries of daily life for yourself...let alone others. Mommy and daddy pay your way.
Exactly. We are not saying that people who don't work or don't live on their own are bad people, or are immoral, or are inferior, or anything like that.
But the whole concept of "having your life together" means literally, your life is put together, and you can support oneself.
This isn't a question about ethics or whether somebody is a good person or not, this is a question of being able to look after yourself or not.
I wouldn't consider my life put together if I were a homeless person, even if I were the most moral and ethically conscientious and talented homeless person in the world. Almost nobody would.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Crystal G]
#23936238 - 12/17/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 2
#23936272 - 12/17/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: the phrase "have your shit together" is a meaningless arbitrary contumely castigation of people around one whom doesn't fit into your world-view of what people "should have" to be "together".
I agree with this, but you're being kindof mean/harsh in this thread. I think most people have a view about what constitutes something along the lines of "having it together" versus "not having it together." Although it's all just a bunch of bullshit that have been crammed down our throats against our will, roundly left unquestioned, and has little or no basis in anything real, I still have to admit that most people have some conception of the idea, and I think it's okay to discuss it. The fault isn't in the person who believes in such an idea, but in the idea itself.
Anyway, I'd say I think of someone as having it together if they have a job and their own place. I think of someone as really having shit together if they own a house. That's about as much as I think about it, and I realize that the idea is total bullshit, so I don't give it much thought.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Masked]
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P.s. you DID try to work your adhd into your rationalization. You aren't fooling me lol
no, i didn't. i mentioned it as it explains why i am so tired all the time. i wasn't trying to fool you, i just thought you had logic 001 covered and could make inferences based on that logic.
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All I said is you clearly don't have your life together. You told me that it's likely I have had it handed to me at some point which I explained I didn't.
sure you did. your life revolves around the fact (to you) (hyperbole, but it certainly comes across to me that they are important to your sense of "togetherness") that you take care of your kids (that's certainly a part of it, according to your statement), and those were handed to you- you don't own them, and certainly they play a big role in your life being "productive". it's a fine thing. but you didn't "gain" them.
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e having kids or a job or whatever wasn't my reasoning why YOU don't have your life together. I knew you'd try to play that angle. I should have beat you to it...i expected you to say something along the lines of "i need to shit out kids to have my life together". Nope, not what I said or am saying at all.
you =/= me can't you fathom how that plays into your expectations of my "having my life together". (originally, all i had said in this thread was "that statement is bullshit". and it is. none of the people in this thread even has those things they proclaim makes their life together...thing is, as Chakra pointed out [and wasn't there someone else?], this is all subjective-- which is why the statement is bullshit to begin with, and why it's bullshit for people to make expectations for what defines other people's lives being "together".)
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I think the fact that I can take care of not only my life, but others, including supplementing someone I hate(which how you could use this against me is laughable), shows having ones life together.
it shows you can help people get their lives "together", ie, you help them with things in their lives. two different things. the aforementioned tagline is bullshit (as i've made clear). the other thing mentioned here- that is admirable; but it's still not applicable to the selfsame lie of the statement "so and so means you have your life together".
not my fault the statement, in and of itself, is crap.
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You can't even provide the basic necessities or luxuries of daily life for yourself...let alone others. Mommy and daddy pay your way.
negative. i can provide the basic necessities for myself- all i need to do is
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Get a job hippy
luckily, i don't have to worry about that now, and can focus on my work, and on myself, without needing to....
i also have no care for luxuries- that would be different in certain circumstances, but not now...and time is not a fixed construct.
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Each to there own of course. You have your opinion (its shit IMO) and I have mine.
well, we can agree to disagree. but the statement "do you have your life together" is still a fallacious statement of illogical bullshit, and so are your explanations for how you define it, because you don't even live up to your own expectations, how can you expect to lecture me? you can't. you won't succeed, and you can't even hope to be even somewhat correct.
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You do NOT have your life together.
statement is bullshit. i do have my life together. i'm able and willing to live, so my life is "together".
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That being said...I've come a long way as a person. In the past, I would judge you heavily for not having your life together according to my personal standards. But as I get older I realize, as Chakra touched on, people have a different perspective on what it means to live life.
good for you.
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You don't seem to be hurting anyway so hey, each to their own man
...again. good for you. that's an admirable quality, to not judge people based on your bullshit.
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But when asked on a message board what it means to me to personally have my life together and I answer with similar traits like many before me did...and a grown, jobless man who lives with mom and dad, tells me it's Bullshit...well, of course I'm going to call him on it.
you can try. but i've proven it's bullshit, even if i didn't have to...you've all (who've discussed this with me) admitted that you don't even have "your life together", so you don't even know what the statement entails to make clear "how you'd define someone who 'has their life together'". you just have an assumption. which is why the statement is bullshit. i'm not judging people for it, statements can be bullshit, and sometimes people don't realize it.
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You keep trying to make the lot of us feel like we have some sort of flaw and/or unfulfilled or whatever...all while claiming our opinion is Bullshit. It's absurd akira.
your opinion isn't bullshit. the statement "how do you [define] how someone has their life together", and any combination of that statement, is ultimately faulty, and it is bullshit. and you guys are eating it up. just trying to warn you that your bullshit is not real, and it's always going to lead unrealistic expectations. you don't have to listen, but i'm an asshole like that, i'll tell you when something is bullshit (ie makes no sense) and i'll tell you when it's not healthy, as well.
you all don't have flaws...apparently, by your own standard of "having your life together", you do- but i don't think you do, in fact, i think the opposite. you are all beautiful people, ehhh, when you wanna be.
same here, i hope. i was in a very cruddy mood yesterday, and was sleep deprived, so that may have effected my approach, but nevertheless, the statement is bullshit and the expectations presented in this thread are just the same, bullshit. you don't have to feel bad about it. we all like to believe we're getting on with life just fine, but when you make proclaimations that you need x y & z to be "productive" or "have your shit together", it's bull-fucking-shit.
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I agree with this, but you're being kindof mean/harsh in this thread.
ok, nooneman, i can see that. i apologize. i was kinda harsh, that's true.
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The fault isn't in the person who believes in such an idea, but in the idea itself.
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(anyone remember that? it's important and relevant. ding ding ding ding ding ding)
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Crystal G]
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Masked said: All I said is you clearly don't have your life together. You told me that it's likely I have had it handed to me at some point which I explained I didn't. Me having kids or a job or whatever wasn't my reasoning why YOU don't have your life together. I knew you'd try to play that angle. I should have beat you to it...i expected you to say something along the lines of "i need to shit out kids to have my life together". Nope, not what I said or am saying at all.
I think the fact that I can take care of not only my life, but others, including supplementing someone I hate(which how you could use this against me is laughable), shows having ones life together.
You can't even provide the basic necessities or luxuries of daily life for yourself...let alone others. Mommy and daddy pay your way.
Exactly. We are not saying that people who don't work or don't live on their own are bad people, or are immoral, or are inferior, or anything like that.
But the whole concept of "having your life together" means literally, your life is put together, and you can support oneself.
This isn't a question about ethics or whether somebody is a good person or not, this is a question of being able to look after yourself or not.
I wouldn't consider my life put together if I were a homeless person, even if I were the most moral and ethically conscientious and talented homeless person in the world. Almost nobody would.
i wasn't judging you. and i don't feel like you were judging me, and if you were, not maliciously, so i didn't even notice.
but the proposition is based on bullshit. that's all i am saying.
and it is about ethics. how isn't it? your opinion on how to define someone who has their shit together is an ethical question. you don't have to refer to someone as immoral or anything like that for the proposition to be bullshnacky.
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Crystal G said: Generally speaking, a good rule of thumb for "having your life together" is whether you would be able to sufficiently raise a kid or not in the situation you are in.
aside from the proposition being shittastic illogical crap- yeah, i'd say that's a good standard of ethics.
as a rule of thumb, if you have a kid, or are having one, you should try and get all those things you guys are proposing one needs "to have their life together". home & hearth (if you're "luxurious"), food, amenities & toiletries, fun stuff, money & a job,...a car, probably, all these things are required to raise a child...obviously.
but thankfully we have the option not to have kids....
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I think most people have a view about what constitutes something along the lines of "having it together" versus "not having it together." Although it's all just a bunch of bullshit that have been crammed down our throats against our will, roundly left unquestioned, and has little or no basis in anything real, I still have to admit that most people have some conception of the idea, and I think it's okay to discuss it.
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Anyway, I'd say I think of someone as having it together if they have a job and their own place. I think of someone as really having shit together if they own a house. That's about as much as I think about it, and I realize that the idea is total bullshit, so I don't give it much thought.
one could have a job and their own place/house/property, and still not not have a full life.
being able though certainly helps.
PS: "which is way" -- fucking typos. which is way...who is fone?
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23936367 - 12/17/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: and it is about ethics. how isn't it? your opinion on how to define someone who has their shit together is an ethical question. you don't have to refer to someone as immoral or anything like that for the proposition to be bullshnacky.
It's not a question of ethics.
It's like asking "who is the most successful person on this board?" That is not a question of ethics, or a measure of how ethical somebody is.
Some people would answer person A because they have a career and a strong work ethic and lots of monetary success. Others might answer person B because they have a family and adopted a bunch of kids and are spreading lots of love.
Certainly, the person answering is basing it on what they specifically value, but asking questions like "who is the most successful" or "who has their life together" is not a question of how ethical or good somebody's nature is.
Edited by Crystal G (12/17/16 08:11 PM)
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Crystal G]
#23936387 - 12/17/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"How would you define someone who 'has their life together'", is an ethics question based on what one person thinks about another.
you all seem to see that sentence, and somehow, through all means of logic you've been given with a mind, think that it's saying "what do you think it is that defines how your life is 'together'".
don't get it, personally. it's clear to me you guys are misapprehending the context of the statement at hand.
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Some people would answer person A because they have a career and a strong work ethic and lots of monetary success. Others might answer person B because they have a family and adopted a bunch of kids and are spreading lots of love.
yeah...that's ethics. person A has got their "life together" because they did "good". person B, just the same.
none of this even concerns life, it concerns expectations of life.
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Certainly, the person answering is basing it on what they specifically value, but asking questions like "who is the most successful" or "who has their life together" is not a question of how ethical or good somebody's nature is.
when you place expectations on people, you're questioning their ethics, because expectations based on what people "need" to have "their life together" (which is a necessary aspect of how to ascribe what is "together"- what they "need" to have it "together") are conveyed by moral standards.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23936390 - 12/17/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: one could have a job and their own place/house/property, and still not not have a full life.
being able though certainly helps.
Yes, but this isn't a question of who has a full life or not. Or who has an enriching life or not. Or who has the best life or not. Or who is the happiest or not.
This is simply a question of who has their life together. It's a literal question, to me, not an ethical one.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23936392 - 12/17/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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BTW I actually support your living situation, if you were to help your parents if they were to ever become old and disabled or something. Like if your parents were to develop Alzheimers or debilitating kidney disease or something, and needed round the clock nursing care or something. If you're around to care for your parents just like they've spent so many years caring for you, then I think it all balances itself out in the end and that's a fair deal.
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Re: How would you define someone who "has their life together"? [Re: Crystal G]
#23936401 - 12/17/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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no it is not a literal one, it's a bullshit one. "having your life together" is a nonsense statement, one that only carries connotations of "having your life fulfilled" "having your life full" "having your life complete" "having your life good" "having your life productive" ect ect ect
the statement can mean a lot of things, it's not specific...that's partly what makes it nonsense. that and also the fact that you're all misinterpreting the context, but that's besides my point. it's also nonsense because one cannot have their life "together"- they can only hope to to try.
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Crystal G said: BTW I actually support your living situation, if you were to help your parents if they were to ever become old and disabled or something. Like if your parents were to develop Alzheimers or debilitating kidney disease or something, and needed round the clock nursing care or something. If you're around to care for your parents just like they've spent so many years caring for you, then I think it all balances itself out in the end and that's a fair deal.

that's the plan. they brought me into this world...in some fucked-up way...i'll be seeing them out, so i'm just returning the favor.
they'll be happy to not have to worry about dumbshit when they are nearing...shitsville.
if i needed to, i'd find a way to provide for a nurse, or something. might need to get funds someway, perhaps through government assistance- come to think of it, that's about the only thing i'm concerned with, is the fact of being able to afford to help take care of myself and them, when the case is that they actually need help.
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