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Registered: 06/05/07 Posts: 19,584 Loc: outer space Last seen: 8 months, 6 days |
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It's obvious akira has taken this thread wayyyyy too personally because he's jobless living with mum and dad.... and apparently has no plans to change or improve.
When I said "you" I was referring to the general "you," not YOU specifically. No need to lash out because you feel inferior. It's obvious a part of you is embarrassed deep down, because if you weren't, you wouldn't react so strongly the way you are right now. And by the way my life is nowhere near "put together" based on my own criteria, so this is clearly not about trying to make myself seem better than anybody. Even I fail miserably according to my own standards. I based that criteria based on where I would ideally like to be, if my life WERE put together. Quote: Okay, how do you learn survival and self-reliance if you've never worked a day in your life, your cell phone bills and health insurance gets paid for, your dad is always giving you $20 any time you want to go do something, and your mom is always cooking meals for you and doing laundry for you? I mean when you have everything paid for, you don't even have any concept of money or financial management skills. And again, when I say "you," I'm referring to the general you, not YOU you, so don't take this so personally. I don't know for a fact who you've worked for or who you live with.
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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Quote: change? people don't change; things change; the people just come with the territory. nor is my improvement predicated on your ridiculously simplistic notions. you've just shown your true ignorance. congrats. Quote: laughable. i'm not feeling anything by way of your comments. i'm just explaining how your statements are bullshit. you seem to be reacting out of a common dislike for such a reality being a given. Quote: i'm unperturbed by your comments. i am only relaying the facts to you. humanity should be embarrassed. not me. Quote: your standards are unbearable. being able is the best way to define "whom has their life together".
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Registered: 06/05/07 Posts: 19,584 Loc: outer space Last seen: 8 months, 6 days |
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Quote: That's, um, wrong. People do change. Somebody in their 40's is quite likely going to be a completely different person from who they were when they were 14. Or when they were 6. Change is a part of growing up. Change is a part of life. Quote: So, what IS your improvement based on? Are you trying to build a better personality? Are you trying to increase your brain power? Are you trying to get healthier physically? Exactly what skills and tools are you utilizing each day to better yourself then, either physically, mentally, or emotionally?
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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Quote: they didn't change. the territory changed. their reality and feelings are conditional. Quote: logic, ideas, concepts, creation, a personal redress and equity in balance with nature. Quote: yes. yes. yes. i am using the power of creation, music, poetry, art, persistence, study of knowledge and perception, mental and physical games, controlling my emotions, and imparting my abilities. building. counter-balancing in a healthy manner with the world around me. Edited by akira_akuma (12/17/16 04:52 AM)
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Registered: 02/09/15 Posts: 2,361 Loc: Up Up and Away |
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Job, able to pay bills and have extra money, vehicle, place to live? I finally feel like my shit is coming together/
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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that's sad.
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Registered: 06/05/07 Posts: 19,584 Loc: outer space Last seen: 8 months, 6 days |
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Quote: Okay, so you make music, poetry, art, and build things? How many hours a day would you say you spend doing these things? What's like the breakdown of a typical day's schedule for you? Is there one thing in particular, like music or crafts or surfing or whatever it is, that you would say that you're really immensely good at, and could even possibly capitalize on if you were motivated enough? Or are you kind of scatter-brained and aloof and you spend 20 minutes here and there tinkering and doing random things, but never really getting good at any one thing? Is there any reason you don't send your artwork into art shows and competitions? I'm just curious and asking a bunch of questions, because I'd like to know where you're coming from. Have you ever worked before? Have you always lived with your parents? There were times in my life in my 20's when I was out of work periodically and had to move back in with my parents, and it was something I never felt happy about... so I'm just curious how, (if you are in a similar situation), how do you feel at peace with this type of living situation? Is this something you could see yourself doing and even aspire to do all the way into your 40's? Howcome you don't feel the urge to ever leave, is it too cushy and nice at your parent's house or something?
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Registered: 06/09/08 Posts: 46,494 Loc: Texas |
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-------------------- HAIL OUR NEW OTD KING
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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Quote: it's ok, none of this is personal. financial skills are the bare-bone minimum of any kind of survival...in fact, it's antithetical to survival-skills. you learn survival by being able. people are in a collective species of individuals, whom if they were decided in working alone, without the collective, they'd be mince meat. Quote: Quote: i can capitalize on anything i wish, or at least that's the concept within a capitalist society. of course i can capitalize on my music, i just never bothered because it wasn't ever meant to be about making money- though the landscape, as it were, is changing. also my poetry, that's the plan anyway. crafts too. and yeah, i'm scatter-brained, but also immensely hyperfocused. i just simply don't have an automatic one-track mind, i've done work to be able to focus on more than a narrow bandwidth of reality. i am ambivalent about the implications that i need to be focused, because what people focus on is usually boring and/or masquerading. Quote: visual arts is new to me, and i have been precluded in having time to work on it as much as i'd like, but it's liable to be given precedence (and perhaps preeminence) in the future- i am not a psychic, so i can't say for sure if that's the case. my poetry, i've sent once, when i first started writing it, to Poetry magazine (it was amateurish of me to presume they'd even possibly consider taking it, because i rush headlong into things, i didn't know that they are basically one of the biggest and most important poetry magazines since the time of Yeats (who was published there). i am working now on improving my skills, learning where i'm coming from with my work, and plan on submitting better work on a later date specifically for them- like i wrote my poem Rattimer The Cat to send to them as a more professional work...i don't know if i've surpassed that poem, but it was designed to be in-depth in it's look into my narrative abilities within poetry, and my ability to do a more formal scansion and a more basis on rhyme. Quote: i've worked uselessly before and it never got me anywhere, and i decide not to repeat the experience. yes, i've always lived with my parents. good for me. i don't have to worry about dumb shit, and then propound on how independent i am, whilst still relying on everyone else to make society function, albeit regardless if i exist or not. Quote: there is no reason to leave. i've established myself here. i've been through pain, and have caused pain. no longer does this occur- my mom and step-dad are quite the saints. nwo they are perfectly happy with me here, aside from the notions that i am not supposed to be so miserable, and supposed to find happiness in some hopeful unreality; but besides that, we get along fine, and i am pretty helpful to them, if they want to make a big deal about the small things that they functionally concern themselves with, and then i can help to tell my mother when she's worrying about fruitless endeavors. she doesn't listen, so by now i just laugh it off, because she knows how much crap she tends to purchase that has no practical use, which things she ends up leaving unused anyways. a very superficial person. she recent redecorated her room, it looks really nice...but then she wasted all this time on buying boxes for her make-up, make-up which she decided to hang herself up about thanks to the retarded beauty gurus on the internet, which she's frankly new to, so i don't blame her, but i do laugh inside. same thing with the damn mini-sauna. boy what a piece of junk. and no, i don't aspire to live with my parents forever. i think 30 is actually approaching pretty fast.
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Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs Registered: 05/12/07 Posts: 69,369 Loc: The Inexpressible... Last seen: 1 minute, 7 seconds |
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Quote: I agree with Crystal. Only Akira can make a bum seem like a sucessful hero
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Registered: 06/05/07 Posts: 19,584 Loc: outer space Last seen: 8 months, 6 days |
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Quote: Well, yes, that's true. I'm referring to survival in a collective society, not survival out in the wilderness. So then does that mean you know how to survive out in the wilderness? You know how to make your own antibiotics from scratch, grow your own food, open a can without a can opener, and light a fire without a match? Let's say your parents died tomorrow and your home was foreclosed on, how would you survive, is what I'm trying to ask? Would you go out into the wilderness and start foraging and building shelter? Quote: So... just curious. Regarding poetry, music, and crafts, what level would you say you're at in regards to these things? Are you beginner level? Intermediate level? Advanced level? Professional level? Because I'm assuming you're getting better and better over time. If you spend a significant amount of time every day doing these things, you must be at advanced or close to professional level, right? Quote: You do realize though, that you can't rely on your parents for the rest of your life.... I mean, your parents will eventually retire one day (probably pretty soon I imagine), and they'll likely die a lot sooner than you. Do you have any kind of plan set up for when that happens? Have you ever thought about what you would do then?
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Registered: 06/09/08 Posts: 46,494 Loc: Texas |
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Quote: ain't gonna front the way he described it had me considering quitting my job and going the bum route for a minute -------------------- HAIL OUR NEW OTD KING
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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Quote: never had to concern myself with such things, but i'm finding the inclination, recently, more satisfying- concerning that the world could go to shit, i feel like those skills might be important. gunpowder, and sulphur seems to work as an antiseptic; charcoal seems to work as an emetic. garlic seems to be a good homeopathic substitute for modern antibiotics. the question is kind of silly though, modern medicine is a great band-aid for mortality, but out in the wilderness there is really no such luck- you suffer. good thing i don't have to worry about that right now; on that note, though, i am planning on learning to grow my own food this year, read up on the subject, and try my hand at it, see if i've got a brown thumb or a green one. and open a can? cans do not exist in nature, but if i had to open one that i've procured from mankind i would bash it open with as functional a rock (sharp but not too sharp) as i could find, and try to avoid metal shavings getting into the contents. building a fire? with no modern tools, you mean? no, but i'd like to try my hand at it...i've seen Survivorman; it seems with persistence you could manage with two sticks and some tinder- though there apparently plenty of methods. Quote: well, that wouldn't happen very likely, but no, i wouldn't do such a thing, it's not practical- i'd simply find work and make my way from there- find a motel to stay at, or if necessary, postulate that if i could shower i could find work, and some could either help me out with that, or i'd have to find other means to get presentable, so i can pay for a gym membership, so i could access to facilities- then work my up to a hotel, or an apartment dwelling. but more than likely i'd have money to make due with for a short period of time, i'd just have to bust my ass and not complain. employers love that sort of thing. Quote: as an autodidact who quit school, i can say that i'm at the very least intermediate in terms of my poetic writings, going on advanced, if i learn to develop a more formal method (otherwise, i might be considered unlikely for professional work- most poets become teachers, or laureates; unless i end up winning good prize money, i don't see myself becoming accredited). in terms of musicality, i have always improvised, and have always meant to take up lessons in music theory, writing and reading it, but it frankly escapes me to learn it myself, which is disappointing, sure. i'm hoping one day for a break though so i can write music that other people will want to pay, at least; or even better, to learn how to sight read. for now, i can play in a jazz band, or rock band easily. i've always made music on the computer, i've made plenty of it, some of it is available, freely, to hear. i play drums and guitar pretty well- just not good at composing myself, given that the music i've played in the past, with my bands, was based around improvisation and non-melodic elements, as far as i'm concerned. i like experimental music, and noise music, so i took up that mantle, so to speak. i've been integrating more type of music into repertoire, however, since my forte (and biggest distraction) is listening to all the kinds of music there is to hear. in terms of art, like visual art, painting and photography, they are more slow coming, i've only done a few works with paint, and with photography, i am not so invested in without a more traditional sense of the work, ie, film photography- i only have access to a digital camera. but i have been brushing up on my photoshop skills recently, and feel like it's more accessible to me more than ever. i'm hoping to soon start working on recording parts for a black metal album- it suits my current mood; so my photoshopped pics will be going towards making an album art, and such. then there is the pure study of philosophy and that is freely done, obviously no one gets paid for that, unless they teach or give lectures, or hired for their expertise and are accredited. Quote: yes, but it's not practicable at this time. not with all the things i am doing. you only have so much time. Quote: ![]() Quote: it's hip to be square.
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Marmalade, I like marmalade :) Registered: 07/30/10 Posts: 158 Last seen: 6 years, 10 days |
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Nobody has their life together. Everyone is just winging it.
Most people haven't even noticed that this life is a journey from one point to another (like a long train journey perhaps)and just set up camp like it's going to last forever. The only things you take out of this life are internal, and yet people spend their lives amassing wealth and trinkets. Nobody has their life together
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Registered: 06/05/07 Posts: 19,584 Loc: outer space Last seen: 8 months, 6 days |
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Quote: Okay, now that we've established surviving in the wilderness is a no-go... how would you survive in society if you were independent and alone? Quote: Why do you think it's not a likely possibility? Old people get laid off or fired all the time. Old people also suddenly drop dead all the time. It could very well happen at any point, and you could be blindsided when it happens. Motels are actually more expensive than rent, you know. Wait, so at this point you don't even have like an emergency fund or savings account? Like in case of emergency if something serious happens? You mean to tell me you would literally start from $0 if your home was foreclosed on? Quote: I see. How many hours a day do you spend doing these things? Either music or art or poetry or other crafts? Quote: When you say philosophy I'm assuming you mean actual philosophy, right? (Kant, Nietzsche, Loche, Hobbes, Descartes, etc.) Not like "all my thoughts are philosophy, my Shroomery posts are philosophy" kind of jargon, right? Quote: Yes, that's true, but that same adage could be used in the reverse... that you only have so much time before you get old, so that's why it's so important to start building your life while you are still young. Otherwise one day you will wake up and you will be 45, and just renting a room with a bunch of college students because you never attempted to build your credit, working at Taco Bell because you never went to school or attained any work experience. Seriously though, that's probably where you're going to start whenever you do decide to become independent. I guess if you're happy being in your 30's and living like that then more power to you, but that's the sort of thing that would really bother me if I was in that situation and living like an 18 year old. I mean, what are you going to do if you ever impregnate a girl sometime in the future or something? You better pray to the universe that never happens lol...
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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Quote: maybe you missed the part where i explained that that isn't the reality we live in. here it is: Quote: how would there be a society if i were alone? i'd argue there isn't even a society, just coalitions and factions. plus: i said i can learn, and am willing to. certainly able to, because i'm able to do anything if i put my mind to it. i'm a human. the only thing i can't do is cure death, and find "God". Quote: if they need financial support, i'd be more than happy to start working in a way that's functional to my production of goods. perhaps start a business, if i really don't like the 9-5. perhaps even part time work would be fine. i don't know, i've never had to concern myself with helping my parents out financially, my step-dad works for a company, and also owns his own business on the side- he's never needed my help with anything. -- and yes, i could be blindsided...so?Quote: thankfully i don't have a record then. like i said, it'd be a temporary stay so i can shower and shave. Quote: other than the fiduciary split will with my step-dad's son, yep. i'm not afraid to ask for help to get on my feet- i'm a good house cleaning, and keep to myself. some minor changes in the environment are not going to prevent me from existing; and i'm not too worried about it. we all die anyway. Quote: whenever it's necessary for my well-being. mostly i stick to philosophy, it feeds me the most, as i deal with inanition, Weltschmerz, and sometimes ennui, because the world doesn't often nearly satisfy me enough. i'm working on it. Quote: i read the philosophers and have studied them- yes, all my thoughts that are on philosophy are philosophical in nature, and it is often dispensed here, in the form of posts. i am a relative occultist and obscurant, i guess you could say. i don't find meaning in being practical, i am probably the most impractical person in existence- at least that i know of- nonpareil of impracticality. Antisthenes and Diogenes are probably the quintessence of my outlook. Quote: thanks for your concern but we don't need to reverse the angle- you can choose to but it makes no difference in the long run. i often do not enjoy my time to the extent that i am happy, but like i said, i'm working on it. mostly i am excited about the prospects that are on the table, however, and am good at coping- just have no interest outside of what i do now, mainly. that might become harder in the near-future to do, however, and i'm aware of that fact. Quote: if i have no purpose in life then i will simply end it. if i can't find purpose with that outset of being dropped into the grinder, as it were, then i am fine living out of doors. Quote: everyone is living like an 18 year old. you think just because you have some things you're all grown up. well, soon you'll be back to 18 again, in that case,...no, even worse, you'll be back to shitting your pants and needing someone to clean it up for you. Quote: that's different. obviously different. if i had to support a family, my life would have to become more practical. i'm not going to have a kid and then just sit on my ass while mommy breastfeeds it.
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You ask too many questions Registered: 10/09/10 Posts: 44,797 Loc: Ottawa Last seen: 16 hours, 46 minutes |
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Having your shit together:
- Having steady and sufficient income for food, shelter, bills, entertainment and hobbies - Owning a house - Not take the bus - Having a passion in life - Having 2 reliable friends - Getting sex regularly - Be on good terms with your family - Contribute to society - Have an interest in world affairs
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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basically have everything a human needs to merely subsist in their meaningless dredging of hope and you've got "shit together"- while the world suffers it's torment.
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Registered: 06/05/07 Posts: 19,584 Loc: outer space Last seen: 8 months, 6 days |
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Quote: *sigh* You know what I meant when I said alone. By "alone" I mean not dependent on your parents, as in independent from them, but you are still in society. What would you do to survive in that case? Quote: How do you start a business with absolutely no working capital or collateral to use for a loan? Your step-dad doesn't mind you living there at your age? Does he ever get bothered or say something at times? He never encourages you or hints at you or gives you advice to move out or start making your own life? Quote: See, that answer kind of tells me that you're not really that serious about any of your hobbies. It's just something you wander on over to and do for a few minutes, whenever you feel like, and then after a couple days you get bored and move on to something else. Seems like you're just breezing through doing whatever you want whenever you want, with really no goal. Is that accurate? Quote: People always say stuff like that, but then when they get there they realize they'd still like to live. I always swore at age 15 that I'd be dead by age 30 because life is all downhill from here. I'm still here, saying "when I'm SIXTY I'll off myself because it's all REALLY downhill from there." More than likely though at 60 I'll find another reason to live and continue on. Quote: No. Not everybody is living like an 18 year old. Have you ever seen what kind of groceries an 18 year old shops for? Have you ever noticed how much more alcohol an 18 year old consumes? Or how excessively they drink? Have you ever noticed 18 year olds have irregular sleeping habits? So no, clearly not everybody is living like an 18 year old or wants to live anything remotely close to an 18 year old. "soon you'll be back to 18," lol you mean when you're old and decrepit and need to have somebody change your diapers and help you with your meds? You do realize that happens to most people once they're 80 years old or older, so in the meantime that's basically 50 to 60 years of life that you could be living doing all sorts of things. Don't you have dreams of traveling or skydiving or trying out new things? Things that maybe cost money. Maybe buy a better system for your music, or get music lessons to improve your skill, something. Quote: Well at least that's good to hear.
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Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ Registered: 08/28/09 Posts: 82,455 Loc: Onypeirophóros Last seen: 4 years, 1 month |
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Quote: i explained. i'd then manage with what i can find for work, and money would probably become more of a concern then, seeing as i'd need it to survive. oh you mean, if i had to live in the woods? i'd better learn how to make fire, hunt/forage, and make shelter then. i probably going to get into hunting soon, i want to learn some of the basics at least. i have ADHD, there is a hypothesis that we make for good hunter-gatherers- i want to test out that hypothesis. it'd explain a lot, actually. Quote: i have 0$ now. if my parents were deceased, i'd have some money and could thus start from there. if i can't do my own business, then i'd frankly have no problem looking to find whatever work i can. if no one wants to give me any, oh well. this is why the world is shit, because there are too many people with too much work and not enough of a manner to employ people whom need it.Quote: we've been through it before. so now he doesn't; now he asks me how i'm doing. Quote: that doesn't tell you anything. you don't know me, like you've stated. i basically started a musical coven- the only important thing is music, for that fact- this is the foundation. everything else follows from that. i like to attend to things not as jack-of-all traits, but as a polymath, someone who is insistent on learning all there is to learn. to narrow that prospect down into courses and ultimatums speaks nothing but error to me. Quote: not in the least. i wasted a lot of time trying to convince people to create and record music- they took advantage of that fact; the fact that that's all i wanted to do, and that they had the means to help me (and themselves to the prospect), and they got distracted. once i had a friend punch a hole through my wall because he was told how little he intends (and how i should keep those notions to myself), and i was glad for it. showed me had some character. because of me and him discussing philosophy, he's gained a lot of insight to share with me, and i him, and i can say i played at least some sort of instrumental role in fostering his interests, in audio engineering & media, which he went to school for...now he edits and has a family, a kid. no one else has developed past that. but i have. i expanded my range of interests to include any and everything, because that was my stop-off point. i went, simply, in a different direction. but no, i take it all very seriously, and set a high standard for myself. my goal in life is not to be set, unlike you. being set is stagnation to me. i'd rather have my journey in life 'up in the air', as it were. i see no problem with that. Quote: of course i'd still like to live- but that doesn't mean i get to. Quote: those are all things that 18 year olds like. save the sleeping habits, that is just a matter of constructive planning. irrelevant to the issue at hand here. Quote: i am living, doing all sorts of things, and more on the way. ![]() Quote: i've managed so far. but yes, of course i like those things, but i don't dream about them though. (gotta admit, i'm not a big believer in the notion that travel is the epitome of 'good times' and 'learning & finding yourself'; i'm not a proponent of that train of thought. but to have a change of scenery, i can understand that.) Quote: this is all good, you just can't see the forest for the trees, that is to say, you can't see how i enjoy my own prospects over yours...and the rest of everyone else.
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it's hip to be square.
i don't know, i've never had to concern myself with helping my parents out financially, my step-dad works for a company, and also owns his own business on the side- he's never needed my help with anything. -- and yes, i could be blindsided...so?
