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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: moment467] 1
#23935143 - 12/17/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When people talk on here about any dose past 14Gs I just don't even know what to say
The farthest I've gone is 8Gs and my god was that intense. Complete ego death as well as mind bending thought loops for 4-5 hours straight. No idea who I was, why I was, where...who...you get the idea. The trip was intense enough to make me change some aspects of my day to day life style permanently which should attest to how impactful it was. That was 8Gs.
How do you people eat upwards of an ounce like ever??? I'm seriously asking, how do you even down that amount of shrooms? I can see 14 or so being possible but past that...I can't even begin to imagine what that's like. I take 5Gs regularly now which is my sweet spot as well and even that kicks my fucking ass every time.
So, to OP...do what you want but work your way up slowly. You started at 2Gs? Take an 8th, then go to 5Gs, if that goes well make the jump to 7Gs. I really dont recommend you go from 2 to 6, you're not nearly as prepared as you think you are lol. Past that, godspeed man.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: moment467]
#23935153 - 12/17/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Wow, you have done thirty? I think it would also be dependent on how often we trip and so on so forth. I have not tripped in over over 14 years. So, I plan on starting with five. However, I do want to communicate w entities at high dose, eventually.
As with any psychedelic trip, do not get hung up on achieving a certain goal. If you go into it with the only desire, being that of communicating with entities you might be completely disappointed with what may happen, even though it should be utterly amazing. Also being focused on a certain outcome may very well send you into a negative thought loop, resulting in a very undesirable experience.
I haven't done 30g in one go yet. With no previous dosage tolerance whatsoever I have done 20g of lemontek'd cubes with another 10g lemontek'd after the peak and I could physically function again. For me there were no entities. No hallucinations other than patterning and a fractalization of reality around me resulting in ego death twice. But then for me, I've only ever what I would call actually hallucinated once (as in actually seeing something physically there that wasn't) and that was on one tab of acid in an optimal setting.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23935189 - 12/17/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know, I am quite skeptical of anyone who says they do 30g all the time. The Terrence Mckenna and Dennis Mckenna brothers, tripped out in the amazon for 10 days eating massive amount of shrooms. Potency is another factor, Terence towards the end took measured out extracted doses later in his life, due to this.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23935226 - 12/17/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moment467 said: It is true that shrooms in very high doses are indistinguishable from DMT? I know they are extremely related in to each other in molecular structure. Also, I want to thank everyone here. It seems like shrooms help you care about the planet.
DMT will always be by itself on a pedestal, as far as visuals go.
The two may be vaguely similar on a molecular level, but the only real similarity is that they both allow you to see the spirit realm, albeit just different levels and spectrums.
As far as this topic goes, how are 30+ gram doses?
They are very uncomfortable physically, but they can also be very mind blowing. It is my theory that you may be able to handle these heroic doses with no discomfort eventually. Depends on how you ingest them.
The difference between DMT and psilocin/psilocybin are not very big. The major difference that puts dmt on that pedestal is that it's a pure compound that we vaporize as opposed to psilocin/psilocybin which is bound up in the mushroom material and thus we eat it. Try smoking some pure psilocin and dmt will likely pale in comparison.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: krypto2000]
#23935235 - 12/17/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting. You have smoked psilocin yourself? Sounds intense.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#23935243 - 12/17/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: For you, yes, there is a huge difference between 1g and 3g. For me, the difference is not that noticeable. For you, 1g-3g is exciting. For me, 1g-3g isn't anything to write a trip report about.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: moment467]
#23935247 - 12/17/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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start with 3.5
it's a nice test dose work your way up to that 5 gram power tower
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23935289 - 12/17/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get Shwifty said: The two may be vaguely similar on a molecular level, but the only real similarity is that they both allow you to see the spirit realm, albeit just different levels and spectrums.
As krypto said they are a lot more than "vaguely similar" they are extremely similar practically the same thing in the sense that the psilocin molecule actually has N-N-DMT in it. They are only one atom apart and it's not like it's one atom incomplete either it's one atom added.
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xThunder said: When people talk on here about any dose past 14Gs I just don't even know what to say
The farthest I've gone is 8Gs and my god was that intense. Complete ego death as well as mind bending thought loops for 4-5 hours straight. No idea who I was, why I was, where...who...you get the idea. The trip was intense enough to make me change some aspects of my day to day life style permanently which should attest to how impactful it was. That was 8Gs.
How do you people eat upwards of an ounce like ever??? I'm seriously asking, how do you even down that amount of shrooms? I can see 14 or so being possible but past that...I can't even begin to imagine what that's like. I take 5Gs regularly now which is my sweet spot as well and even that kicks my fucking ass every time.
I completely agree with everything you just said. I too have never taken more than 8 grams and that was absolutely insane and I really don't find much of a point in taking anymore than 5 or 6 grams. As McKenna once said "if the episodes of 'unenglishability' are too prolonged then you should probably cut your dosage down because at that point it just doesn't make any sense". It's like trying to watch a movie at the theater but right underneath the screen instead of in the audience.
I also find hearing about anything over 10 or 14 grams to just be inconceivable and unrealistically insane. I can't imagine why anyone would take more than 14 gs.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: moment467]
#23935337 - 12/17/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moment467 said: Interesting. You have smoked psilocin yourself? Sounds intense.
I have not, not yet anyway, I'm kind of scared to honestly. From reports I've read it's not only quite a bit more intense than dmt but it lasts about an hour opposed to 15 minutes. I went searching for reports after having the idea, I extracted some psilocin and I figured you should be able to vaporize it in a pure state. There's not many out there, but there are a handful, maybe 10 or so from 2-3 different sources that I could come across.
Pharmacologically and chemically it's very similar to DMT. As Auoroa said the difference between the two is a single oxygen atom which results in psilocin being much more difficult to metabolize and thus orally active. They hit all the same receptors and should have very similar effects once you account for dosage and ROI.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23935471 - 12/17/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: I completely agree with everything you just said. I too have never taken more than 8 grams and that was absolutely insane and I really don't find much of a point in taking anymore than 5 or 6 grams. As McKenna once said "if the episodes of 'unenglishability' are too prolonged then you should probably cut your dosage down because at that point it just doesn't make any sense". It's like trying to watch a movie at the theater but right underneath the screen instead of in the audience.
I also find hearing about anything over 10 or 14 grams to just be inconceivable and unrealistically insane. I can't imagine why anyone would take more than 14 gs.
Well since we're talking McKenna here, he always quite vehemently said that the personal experience is the only one that matters. Everything else is just hearsay and simply does not apply to you in any truly meaningful way.
So... What one person says is a waste or "doesn't make sense" simply does not make sense or apply to me or anyone else for that matter. I've had intense trips where I was cognizant of the experience the whole time. They were profound and meaningful. And now, can I remember every detail? No. Absolutely not. Unless you have a photographic memory, that just isn't possible. (Keep that in mind as I continue.) I have also had heavy dose trips where I have "whited out" for 2-3 hours and to be honest, those trips are far more meaningful for me. No, I can't specifically recall what happened in those "missing" hours. Even if I could I know that I wouldn't be able to put the experience into words to relay the experience to anyone else. But, going back to McKenna, why would I? My experiences have no real meaning to you or anyone else other than base entertainment. BUT that have an enormous meaning to me and the thing is that while my "mind" stopped being able to comprehend what was happening to me because of its inherent need to put labels on everything, I still had the experience. The "memories" of it are still within my being and have had a tremendous impact upon me.
While McKenna did have a point about cutting the dose back to be able to consciously remember the experience, I think that he was also missing the point about the deeper levels of experience that are most definitely occurring beyond the conscious mind. Being unable to recall an experience does not negate the impact it had upon your being. There are literally millions of experiences that we have throughout our lives that we cannot specifically recall, but they still have a huge impact on who we are today.
Even if you don't go deep to the point of being unable to put it into English or even white-out, you're still not going to remember everything that happened, BUT you still had the experience. It still had it's impact upon you whether or not you can recall it.
For those of us that do go deep, it's not always about being able to recall all the details. Even if we could remember everything, the human mind is incapable of labeling everything that happens so what's the point of consciously remembering every detail anyway? It's not about being able to write out an amazing trip report. It's about having the experience and the aftereffects thereof.
As we all know, the higher the dose, typically the more intense the experience. This simply does not change just because the rather limited human mind can't comprehend the experience. So for me at least, I would much rather have a heavy dose trip where I can't remember a good chunk of it, but can feel the effects of it for many, many months afterwards than have a lower dose trip that I can recall most of, but just doesn't have the same impact.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23935513 - 12/17/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's a big difference between 'not being able to recall all the details' as you put it and taking a dose so large you lose consciousness and do not recall ANY of the details, which is how you are describing your 'trips.' Some people have a few drinks at a party, socialize, and generally have a good time. Other people consume anything and everything they can find, black out early on, get in fights, break things, stumble all over, get sick, and the night usually ends covered in vomit passed out somewhere. It sounds like you're doing the equivalent of the later with mushrooms. If you go so 'deep' that you black out then no, you are not gaining anything, and no you are not remembering any of it, there is no one TO remember any of it.
What you're remembering is what happened before and after that black out which are very valid experiences and I don't doubt that you gain something from them, but what you're then having is a rather normal experience on a rational dose. If you don't care what other people think then you wouldn't be trying to share your experience and going on to defend it in the first place. I'm not trying to attack you, but to go back to the alcohol analogy it is like asking that blacked out person later why they do that and they defend it by saying, 'Oh, I don't care if I black out, I like drinking, I don't care what you think.' Okay, whatever, in my mind that guy has a serious drinking problem though.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: krypto2000]
#23935591 - 12/17/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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While I don't know how it works when you white out on mushrooms, the way I understand it is that when you black out on alcohol your mind simply stops creating memories for a while. If that's the same mechanism at work you wouldn't have any memories for even your subconscious to interpret or use.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23935670 - 12/17/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is why I am highly skeptical with someone who says they are taking 30 and beyond all the time. There are false shamans out there.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: Hobbyist]
#23935725 - 12/17/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see any correlation between whiting out on mushrooms and getting blackout drunk. One is an expansion of your consciousness to new realms of reality, the other is a poison acting upon your body as you move closer and closer to death. As far as I'm concerned the two substances are the complete opposite. Mushrooms expand, alcohol collapses.
But again, I reiterate that the only experience that matters is your own. In my experience I have had profound and long-lasting positive effects from my heavy dose trips (10-20g) where I white out that exceed anything I have felt from more "normal to heroic" doses of 3-5g.
It's not that I don't care what other people think, I just understand that one person's experience has very little bearing upon my own. Most especially when we are talking about a fully internalized experience like a psychedelic trip. It's the same as dreams. Does it matter at all what you dream about to me? No. Why? Because it's all in your head and is something that I will never, ever experience. People put far too much stock in the words spoken by someone else, even if they happen to have tons of experience. Yes, McKenna was an amazing thinker. Yes, he said many, many things that made sense. Is his word the final word? No. Not even within the realm of psychedelics. I think that even he would have to agree that everything he said, essentially only applied to himself. For everyone else, people could take his words as a starting point. The key is to go out and experience for one's self and then formulate your own take on things. That is the only thing that matters, your own understanding of the reality around you.
I'm sharing my thoughts on the matter because I constantly see people post on here with the same lines about "Oh well over X dose is just pointless. I don't see the point at all." Well, I do see a point. I believe that there are benefits from having an experience even if you are not consciously aware of or able to put said experience into words because you still had the experience. The human mind is a frightfully limited thing when dealing with the input it can receive. Our language is exceptionally crude in terms of proper, full articulation of the richness of personal experience. Even though our conscious mind is limited by our slippery, rudimentary language set, our unconscious mind is not. Hence why I feel that even in a white out situation from a consciousness expanding substance like psilocybin, where the conscious mind is overloaded beyond recognition, the subconscious mind keeps taking in that experience.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23935813 - 12/17/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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As krypto said they are a lot more than "vaguely similar" they are extremely similar practically the same thing in the sense that the psilocin molecule actually has N-N-DMT in it. They are only one atom apart and it's not like it's one atom incomplete either it's one atom added.
Wow, I did not realize the molecules were so similar. It certainly isn't vague now that it has been properly explained to me.
I remember reading remarks about psilocybin being considered "edible DMT" but at the time I merely thought it wishful thinking.
I'm kind of excited now to view it differently and explore those thoughts on my next trip.
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xThunder said: How do you people eat upwards of an ounce like ever??? I'm seriously asking, how do you even down that amount of shrooms?
I usually grind them up so I don't feel bloated, if that's what you were wondering. Lemon tek or tea is great. I also use Syrian rue to go even further down the rabbit hole.
It isn't as intense for some people. Most of the time I'm able to be at least semi-coherent on 30+ grams and I don't black out. I hope to experiment more soon and report back.
It's just different for each person and their physiology.
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krypto2000 said: Try smoking some pure psilocin and dmt will likely pale in comparison.
Holy fuck that sounds incredible. Teach me! haha
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23935829 - 12/17/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have noticed over the years that an 8th does is not as hard to handle as it was in the beginning. In my early days I was a dumb fuck and took right about a half oz. I had a "controlled" freak out. It was very tough but some how I kept telling myself "I did this to myself with drugs and it will end soon". Fucked up part was it was traumatic enough that, at that very moment, that it only lasted a few hours. While puking I saw some strange "cartoon" turtle. Shook my head and it went away. I saw rivers of tie dies color flowing on the walls, was really wood grained paneling walls. Furniture warped out of shape, very much so.
As for now, well tonight will be taking a 5g dose. Since some of you have taken Lucy, how strong would 200-250ug be if I am good in the 5g range on shrooms. I scored some and they are supposed to be 120ug each. I have never done Lucy and want to have a strong trip but one I can handle.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: Hobbyist]
#23935862 - 12/17/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hobbyist said: While I don't know how it works when you white out on mushrooms, the way I understand it is that when you black out on alcohol your mind simply stops creating memories for a while. If that's the same mechanism at work you wouldn't have any memories for even your subconscious to interpret or use.
It's not the same mechanism, but the next day the result is the same. I agree with fractaloctopus that the substances are polar opposites, but that doesn't mean a whole lot when taking them to the extreme. Cold is the opposite of hot, but if you are too hot or too cold your cells die just the same. While blackout drunk you are still conscious but memories are not created. Memories should still being created while whited out on mushrooms, but if you're not conscious then there are no memories to create.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23935874 - 12/17/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sharing my thoughts on the matter because I constantly see people post on here with the same lines about "Oh well over X dose is just pointless. I don't see the point at all." Well, I do see a point. I believe that there are benefits from having an experience even if you are not consciously aware of or able to put said experience into words because you still had the experience.
I agree. There are benefits to heroic doses.
Just because most of you go catatonic and fetal doesn't mean we all do.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23935910 - 12/17/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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A heroic dose is 5-7 grams, maybe more, but well under the threshold we are talking about here. That's a big difference from a dose that is guaranteed to make you black out and experience nothing. Or whiting if you prefer to give it that marketing spin and claim it's somehow different.
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Re: 30-60grams of magic mushrooms??? how is that? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23935917 - 12/17/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fractaloctopus said: Well since we're talking McKenna here, he always quite vehemently said that the personal experience is the only one that matters. Everything else is just hearsay and simply does not apply to you in any truly meaningful way.
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So... What one person says is a waste or "doesn't make sense" simply does not make sense or apply to me or anyone else for that matter.
And? Who cares? I wouldn't have brought it up if I didn't agree with him. You just disregarded logic as well, we always speak in pragmatic terms that's what we have to do as humans. Sure there may not be limits on things but as human beings we have to put limits on things or else nothing will work. Obviously there's no such thing as reality but if we acted accordingly to that all the time 24/7 nothing will ever get done and it wont do us any good, we have to act as if it's real. Thanks to our biological filters however that's a very easy thing to do, after all that is what your biology is designed for.
Killing and torturing innocent children may not be morally wrong since at the end of the day there is no such thing as objective morality but I think most of us can agree on where that act stands on the scale of morality because we can relate on these things. Your logic is just regressing into an argument that doesn't make you look the least bit objective or sensible. I don't really care if McKenna's words do or don't apply to you because it applies to me therefore I can say it and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
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I've had intense trips where I was cognizant of the experience the whole time. They were profound and meaningful. And now, can I remember every detail? No. Absolutely not. Unless you have a photographic memory, that just isn't possible. (Keep that in mind as I continue.) I have also had heavy dose trips where I have "whited out" for 2-3 hours and to be honest, those trips are far more meaningful for me. No, I can't specifically recall what happened in those "missing" hours. Even if I could I know that I wouldn't be able to put the experience into words to relay the experience to anyone else. But, going back to McKenna, why would I? My experiences have no real meaning to you or anyone else other than base entertainment. BUT that have an enormous meaning to me and the thing is that while my "mind" stopped being able to comprehend what was happening to me because of its inherent need to put labels on everything, I still had the experience. The "memories" of it are still within my being and have had a tremendous impact upon me.
First off no one said anything about remembering anything and second off why would you? Your experiences have no real meaning to anyone else? Where's your evidence for this, sorry but I call total BS. You have no evidence or even any good reasons why that would be true. Sounds selfish if anything. People like coming to a consensus, you clearly don't but that's you not me or anyone else. I do agree though that powerful trips still leave a powerful impact that you can't quite put in words and don't have to but you just know it internally. This is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when you want to make sense of your experience or relay it to others and that's something I very heavily agree with McKenna on being able to relay your experiences back and coming to some kind of consensus with others who have had similar experiences. That's how science works.
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While McKenna did have a point about cutting the dose back to be able to consciously remember the experience, I think that he was also missing the point about the deeper levels of experience that are most definitely occurring beyond the conscious mind. Being unable to recall an experience does not negate the impact it had upon your being. There are literally millions of experiences that we have throughout our lives that we cannot specifically recall, but they still have a huge impact on who we are today.
Again I have no idea why you keep bringing up remembering the experience. Sounds like you misunderstood quite a bit. I said unenglishable not "unmemorable".
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It's not about being able to write out an amazing trip report. It's about having the experience and the aftereffects thereof.
It's not about writing out an amazing trip report it's about being able to make sense of what you experienced. It's about understanding your trip and being able to explain the main lessons and themes not every or even most details that's impossible.
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As we all know, the higher the dose, typically the more intense the experience. This simply does not change just because the rather limited human mind can't comprehend the experience.
Yeah okay it really seems you have greatly misinterpreted everything I said before.
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