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Universe expanding ??
    #23889741 - 12/03/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We all know that galaxies are moving away from each other and expanding.

What you might not know is that the expansion process isn't slowing down...... but actually accelerating !!

That right there and then dis validates Big Bang theory. Some mysterious force is pulling us apart!! :gethigh:


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: desant]
    #23890032 - 12/03/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The current theory is that Dark energy is responsible for the expansion.  Whatever that means.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23891829 - 12/03/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

they are now straying away from the belief that we are accelerating in light of having more data to analyze speed from.

http://phys.org/news/2016-10-universe-rateor.html


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: iateshaggy]
    #23897327 - 12/05/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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iateshaggy said:
they are now straying away from the belief that we are accelerating in light of having more data to analyze speed from.
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exactly a lot of the "new physics" not just string theory is not really testable
science has taken a strange turn in physics and Astronomy
meanwhile Biology a previously 'softer science' is the one making the more amazing discoveries
that have real consequences
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=CRISPR

CRISPR will change the world as we know it
add in more intelligent automation  and if 'we' survive
a bit longer, the world as we know it, will feel quite different

thanks for the link interesting article , iateshaggy
some scientists have never bought into the 'bigbang' ... it really smacks of theology

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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23897403 - 12/05/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23901081 - 12/06/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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thanks for the link interesting article , iateshaggy
some scientists have never bought into the 'bigbang' ... it really smacks of theology




personally i think big bang is only half the story.  i believe we also have another universe that moves through space time backwards and collapsing.  its point of impact would become our big bang.  to me it doesn't make sense that the big bang just happened.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: iateshaggy]
    #23916435 - 12/11/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Imagine having a prob accelerate faster then the galaxy can expand. What would be on the other side?


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: Chakanooga]
    #23919617 - 12/12/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Warp drive.

CRISPR and other biochemical stuff is pretty cool nowadays, what with everyone wanting to fix the big C. That leaves us with two more Cs to fix (cars, cake) before we get rid of the top three killers in the developed world.

But at the same time, some of the stuff physicists, and physical chemists, and computational people are doing is super cool. They're figuring out cheat codes to reality. I'd rather have a quantum linked particle computer that I can connect to from everywhere and a spaceship than a cancer cure. Maybe a CuO-nanohexagon doped battery anode in my phone that extends battery life 2x (happen to be writing a paper on). Cancer cure will extend my life five, maybe ten years, counting lying in bed, but I'd get a whole lot more living done if I could have some of the wilder dreams of physicists be a reality.

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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: Chakanooga]
    #23921521 - 12/13/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Chakanooga said:
Imagine having a prob accelerate faster then the galaxy can expand. What would be on the other side?




passing the speed of light = time travel.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23925789 - 12/14/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Eh is that a fact? cuz I wouldn't guess anyone could manipulate time by going faster then spacetime itself...maybe...


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: Chakanooga]
    #23925919 - 12/14/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

if you pass the speed of light it means that the light which you observe now actually moved there before.

lets say you pass the speed of light by the equivalent of a second, you're watching the light of a second ago.

Maybe in a couple thousand years... maybe more... maybe less... maybe never. :smile:


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: psilosalvia] * 1
    #23926052 - 12/14/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, that's right.  Light defines time.  If you think about it, everything in time exists based upon the propagation of light.  If you go faster than a light beam, you could create an effect before a cause.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23926129 - 12/14/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:mindexpanding:

Fuckin science.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: desant]
    #23930459 - 12/15/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Since no one knows.

I imagine one day after trillions of years of expansion the universe will slow down and begin to retract on itself creating a secondary big bag once all matter coalesces to a central point.

That or it'll keep expanding forever until true entropy is reached.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: sudly]
    #23933750 - 12/16/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well, if something like say a black hole could accelerate matter faster than light then the matter would be tossed backwards in time where it would end up back at the big bang.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: iateshaggy]
    #23939476 - 12/18/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There are three theories about what will happen, if everything eventually slows down and stops expanding it will be pulled back together by gravity into another singularity (Big Crunch)

Everything keeps expanding, all the stars die and everything cools off ( big freeze)

The expansion rate continues to grow exponentially via dark energy until eventually the expansion approaching light speed you would be able to see less and less of space since everything is moving away from everything else. Eventually everything you see would be red shifted until the point you couldn't see your own feet and all the atoms of everything in the universe are torn apart (big rip)

I like to believe in the first, the Big Crunch, because it would be followed by another Big Bang and everything reborn.  There could have been errors in the original expansion data.


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23939505 - 12/18/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Apparently gravity could be an emergent property in the same way as temperature is, and cosmic inflation could be disproven. :shrug:

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"His suggestion is that gravity isn't a fundamental force of nature at all, but rather an emergent phenomenon - just like temperature is an emergent phenomenon that arises from the movement of microscopic particles.

In other words, gravity is a side effect, not the cause, of what's happening in the Universe."





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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: sudly]
    #23941071 - 12/19/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When we first noticed the cosmic microwave background radiation that is how we concluded the universe is expanding as the light in all directions is uniformly moving away from us. It is shifting in spectrum which happens as light travels, it slowly loses energy. If it's moving away in all directions then that means if you were to go backwards in time it would all coalesce to a single point. That point is what we call the big bang. The big bang theory directly came from the observation that the universe is expanding so not only does the expansion validate it, but it would not exist without it. When you think about how little we know about the universe though it seems very premature to conclude we truly even are expanding much less that you can draw this current observation all the way back to the literal beginning of time.

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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23941339 - 12/19/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cosmic inflation could be falsified then :shrug:


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Re: Universe expanding ?? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23941648 - 12/19/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, that's right.  Light defines time.  If you think about it, everything in time exists based upon the propagation of light.  If you go faster than a light beam, you could create an effect before a cause.





i'm not a physicist by any means, but does light actually define time, or is it the largest (smallest) measurement we've been able to use/apply, across the board and with consistent results?


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