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just_curious
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Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation?
#23932124 - 12/16/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, I brought some mushrooms to a buddy of mine today. Upon examining the mushrooms, he said, "You let them grow too long."
I said, "Yeah, the spores dropped"
He then proceeded to tell me that because of that, the mushrooms are less potent. That you need to harvest right before the veil breaks for more potent mushrooms. I told him that this is just speculation, and that people pick at certain times to prevent the spores from dropping, not because of potency issues. He couldn't get on board with that.
He also said "psilocybin starts to break down after 8 months." Once again, I told him that was speculation, and that no evidence points towards a specific time frame. It depends on a variety of issues, but can remain fine for a very, VERY long time depending on proper storage.
I just want to make sure I knew what I was talking about. This same guy told me that he grew a 550 gram mushroom that what the size of a lamp and the cap was as big as a lamp shade. So I don't think I'm in the wrong. But, the mushrooms I gave him I worked hard on and take pride in them. I don't want any shit talking on them, but also want to be sure I did the most I could possibly do for the little guys lol.
Edited by just_curious (12/16/16 02:01 PM)
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Mycolorado
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: just_curious]
#23932152 - 12/16/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like a know-it-all. How's his crop coming?
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mushboy
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: just_curious]
#23932155 - 12/16/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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you know better then your dumbass friend.
saying shrooms that dropped spores are less potent is like saying bald people die sooner.
maybe 8 months something degrades but ive never had any around long enough to know. i get hungry.
a shroom the size of a lamp? is your buddy tump?(no offense but that was a huge claim he made in that one thread so he gets called out for it)
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: just_curious]
#23932175 - 12/16/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you can answer your own question by looking at some of the grows people have posted on here. People almost always harvest after the caps have opened. Your buddy sounds like he just wants to seem like he knows a thing or two about a thing or two. When in fact he dosent.
I'm calling BS on that mushroom that's the size of a lamp. Sounds like your friend is also a fan of telling tall tales. If he was growing shrooms he would have his own already. If I had a shroom that big I would definitely have pictures being pulled up while I was telling the story. Tell him even if he did grow a mushroom that big that potency probably sucked and you'll harvest your shrooms whenever you damn well feel like it.
Also be careful what you say on here. Someone recently got banned for saying something along the lines of your last statement
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: just_curious]
#23932198 - 12/16/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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just_curious said: He then proceeded to tell me that because of that, the mushrooms are less potent.
It is common and accepted knowledge within this community that mushrooms tend to be less potent by weight once they are past the point of the veil breaking. However, letting them grow out until the spores drop certainly does not make a single mushroom less potent in and of itself.
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just_curious said: He also said "psilocybin starts to break down after 8 months."
This is bullshit. I personally know that properly dehydrated and vacu-sealed shrooms kept in the freezer will stay potent for years.
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just_curious said:This same guy told me that he grew a 550 gram mushroom that what the size of a lamp and the cap was as big as a lamp shade.
I would love to see a photo of this. The biggest fruits I've ever gotten were second and third flush PE, and were about the size of a land line phone receiver. Got one dehydrating right now as we speak
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: benis12]
#23932214 - 12/16/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You would dare sell this gift to others for the sake of MONEY?! The mushroom spirit will make you pay for this in the long run. You're doomed to a life of imprisonment because of your greed. You should be ashamed you foolish and stupid child.
I'm just kidding
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: benis12]
#23932218 - 12/16/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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benis12 said: I would love to see a photo of this. The biggest fruits I've ever gotten were second and third flush PE, and were about the size of a land line phone receiver. Got one dehydrating right now as we speak 
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benis12 said: I would love to see a photo of this.
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just_curious
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23932252 - 12/16/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: You would dare sell this gift to others for the sake of MONEY?! The mushroom spirit will make you pay for this in the long run. You're doomed to a life of imprisonment because of your greed. You should be ashamed you foolish and stupid child.
I'm just kidding
Eh....I think I'll be just fine. And I'm sure you'll get over it!
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tump
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: mushboy]
#23932280 - 12/16/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: you know better then your dumbass friend.
saying shrooms that dropped spores are less potent is like saying bald people die sooner.
maybe 8 months something degrades but ive never had any around long enough to know. i get hungry.
a shroom the size of a lamp? is your buddy tump?(no offense but that was a huge claim he made in that one thread so he gets called out for it)
Nope dont know that guy.
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: tump]
#23932287 - 12/16/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol.
i love ya tump. nice to see you got a cool avatar.
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Dactylium
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: tump]
#23932290 - 12/16/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The mushroom may continue getting larger after the cap opens without an increase in active content, making it less potent by weight. But that's really splitting hairs man.
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: just_curious]
#23932303 - 12/16/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybin does break down over time, especially if not stored properly. I've noticed year-old batches lose some of their magic. They were stored in zip-locks. Vacuum-sealed product lasts longer IME. I've eaten fully mature mushrooms and mushrooms with the veil still intact. In both instances I tripped balls, so pick em whenever you like. I prefer picking fruits when ripe. Just because. I used to cultivate with a guy like that.. a know-it-all douche. It wasn't till I went out on my own that I learned the correct way to do grow and actually enjoy the hobby. Fuck people like that. They suck the life out of everything.
Edited by WeavieWonder (12/16/16 12:08 PM)
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Tmethyl
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: Dactylium]
#23932353 - 12/16/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dactylium said: The mushroom may continue getting larger after the cap opens without an increase in active content, making it less potent by weight. But that's really splitting hairs man.
Well the mushroom getting larger doesn't mean it's gaining weight, it's inflating much like a balloon. A huge balloon weighs about the same as a deflated balloon. At a certain stage of a pins growth it stops gaining mass and just inflates/expands. So the real difference would be that 5grams of mature mushrooms will look like a massive dose, whereas 5grams of pins or mushrooms from a perfectly timed harvest, won't.
And 2 years ago I was able to dose on some mushrooms that were stored 10 years prior in a sealed glass container, they looked fine and were still potent. I tripped hard and they were 120 months old. 
Your friend takes speculation as fact.
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23932532 - 12/16/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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people are ignorant...
Once some one tried to tell me mushrooms that were tinted blue were stronger.
I tried to explain that the blue is just brushing after being picked. Couldn't convince the guy of shit!
Needless to say, every time I harvest I make sure to bruise the fruits before I dry them!
Moral of the story, everyone's a expert! Hahahahahahhaa
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23932548 - 12/16/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some study was done on liberty caps after 50 years and they still had comparable levels of actives to freshly dried. I've read it a few times on here. I'm just too lazy to go find it. Maybe later.
As for the potency thing, it's all speculation. Nobody has any proof. Some people say that since it's just water weight, once dehydrated it has the same mass as it would have if you picked earlier. Others believe that it's just genetics, and that good genetic mature specimens can easily destroy others with small pins. I've had a few 2g mature shrooms that knocked me down pretty damn well, and vice versa. 
If somebody says that shit all you gotta do is tell them to eat 7+ grams since they're so weak
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Re: Claims that I was told today. Any validity, or just speculation? [Re: Mad Season]
#23932596 - 12/16/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said: If somebody says that shit all you gotta do is tell them to eat 7+ grams since they're so weak 
They will feel the  and change their mind.
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