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How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)?
#23930819 - 12/15/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like reading people's stories so after voting on the poll tell me how you came about to said school of anarchism and also what people you've looked into to learn about said school.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: ghost914] 1
#23930841 - 12/15/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel like whenever anarchy exists, it is quickly followed by people in power who generally are worse than those who came before. At least, history tells us this. Anarchy as such does not seem possible in this world, given human proclivities. Perhaps in the distant future, when humans are more evolved and civil, it will be viable. It's not now.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23930870 - 12/15/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I feel like whenever anarchy exists, it is quickly followed by people in power who generally are worse than those who came before. At least, history tells us this. Anarchy as such does not seem possible in this world, given human proclivities. Perhaps in the distant future, when humans are more evolved and civil, it will be viable. It's not now.
"There is no road to despotism more sure or more to be dreaded than that which begins at anarchy." --Alexander Hamilton
You're definitely right, yet historically speaking every anarchism group were reactionary groups towards capitalism instead of strictly statism which create a said vacuum of power towards state communism. At this point capitalism was the invisible enemy so nothing was actually solved long term, this is why I'm an anarcho capitalist.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: ghost914]
#23930960 - 12/15/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's very fair.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: ghost914] 1
#23931162 - 12/15/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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STAL!
Needs modern-evolutionary synthesis thank you, that and Democratic Socialism, a Democracy of the people, a Representative Democracy.
But yeah greens/progressive revolution/renewable energy that's good too.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: sudly]
#23931720 - 12/16/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I voted for anarchism but I didn't turn to it after tripping. I got into it through anarcho-punk music. I still believe in the principle behind it, but think that a totally anarchic society is probably slightly optimistic. I really like the ideas of Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project https://www.thevenusproject.com/. This idea basically believes in an ecologically friendly resource-based economy instead of a capitalist monetary-based system.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23931762 - 12/16/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I feel like whenever anarchy exists, it is quickly followed by people in power who generally are worse than those who came before. At least, history tells us this. Anarchy as such does not seem possible in this world, given human proclivities. Perhaps in the distant future, when humans are more evolved and civil, it will be viable. It's not now.
"There is no road to despotism more sure or more to be dreaded than that which begins at anarchy." --Alexander Hamilton
The need for government will only increase as time progresses. Anarchy is a lifestyle, not a replacement for existing social structures and government. It's something people define themselves with rather than a realistic application to base society off of. It's a non-recognition of authority, but it's not an effective means of getting rid of authority figures overall.
Anarchism's existence is a reaction to government, authority and the status quo. Anarchy as an idea does not exist without those institutions firmly in place, but is not at all a viable alternative either. It's a wish rather than a possibility.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23931893 - 12/16/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well said.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: sudly]
#23931977 - 12/16/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: STAL!
Needs modern-evolutionary synthesis thank you, that and Democratic Socialism, a Democracy of the people, a Representative Democracy.
But yeah greens/progressive revolution/renewable energy that's good too.
I would but those aren't schools of anarchism.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: rogue_pixie]
#23931984 - 12/16/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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rogue_pixie said: I voted for anarchism but I didn't turn to it after tripping. I got into it through anarcho-punk music. I still believe in the principle behind it, but think that a totally anarchic society is probably slightly optimistic. I really like the ideas of Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project https://www.thevenusproject.com/. This idea basically believes in an ecologically friendly resource-based economy instead of a capitalist monetary-based system.
It's is but it's more likely to happen in the future the more people are informed on it.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23932016 - 12/16/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I feel like whenever anarchy exists, it is quickly followed by people in power who generally are worse than those who came before. At least, history tells us this. Anarchy as such does not seem possible in this world, given human proclivities. Perhaps in the distant future, when humans are more evolved and civil, it will be viable. It's not now.
"There is no road to despotism more sure or more to be dreaded than that which begins at anarchy." --Alexander Hamilton
The need for government will only increase as time progresses. Anarchy is a lifestyle, not a replacement for existing social structures and government. It's something people define themselves with rather than a realistic application to base society off of. It's a non-recognition of authority, but it's not an effective means of getting rid of authority figures overall.
Anarchism's existence is a reaction to government, authority and the status quo. Anarchy as an idea does not exist without those institutions firmly in place, but is not at all a viable alternative either. It's a wish rather than a possibility.
You're correct but the only reason it's needed because the government makes it so or makes it appear so. Anarchism may not happen but If we can replace the state with Capitalism as the governing entity and the people would be the regulators then that type of structure can stay stable. Anarchism and Anarcho capitalism are two different things, anarchism [without adjectives] believe in a pananarchism with mean open borders to different cultures and types of anarchism. Anarcho capitalism is privatize everything including borders, allow the people to regulate capitalism, and follow to non aggression principle. It's a lot more complex then how I state it but it can be doable, the more people that are informed the more likely it can happen in the future.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: ghost914]
#23932072 - 12/16/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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With free, unregulated markets, extreme laissez-faire capitalism, privatization (including borders), private regulation, etc., it sounds like anarcho-capitalism is an extremely conservative viewpoint. It's some kind of super-libertarianism, which seems pretty far right on the political spectrum. Would you agree?
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23932191 - 12/16/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: With free, unregulated markets, extreme laissez-faire capitalism, privatization (including borders), private regulation, etc., it sounds like anarcho-capitalism is an extremely conservative viewpoint. It's some kind of super-libertarianism, which seems pretty far right on the political spectrum. Would you agree?
Anarcho capitalism falls in line with conservatives, traditionalists, and right ideologies yet I'd never claim the to be true right ideologies. Yea I guess it's true libertarianism but many would disagree. There really is no social part of anarcho capitalism, it's just economically right but I usually argue any type of leftism would be a threat to capitalism.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23932293 - 12/16/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I feel like whenever anarchy exists, it is quickly followed by people in power who generally are worse than those who came before. At least, history tells us this. Anarchy as such does not seem possible in this world, given human proclivities. Perhaps in the distant future, when humans are more evolved and civil, it will be viable. It's not now.
"There is no road to despotism more sure or more to be dreaded than that which begins at anarchy." --Alexander Hamilton
I wonder if Trump will be hitting the Chinese etc. up for some tariffs. If so, Hamilton would have been proud. Apparently Donald is in favor of it, and is pretty much a Hamiltonian.
A school of anarchism and in particular anarchism-collectivism or pretty much all of the categories of the survey are BS. I therefore decline to participate, and will do my own thing instead. Why on earth would an anarchist tell you anything about what they are thinking. When you get the Molotov cocktail fire running up your leg, you will know.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23932599 - 12/16/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm a fan of Stoicism myself.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: LRG]
#23932635 - 12/16/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LRG said: I'm a fan of Stoicism myself.
It was quite odd a while back as I came within 10 seconds of being head on crushed in my little nissan nowhere to go nowhere to hid not even a ditch to ditch into just a guard rail on the right and the truck heading right at me, all I could think about was "this is really going to suck". However, it was less of a fear moment than just to realize that if this full loaded log truck driver didn't wake the fuck out of his not looking at the road I was toastie O'd. Thankfully as I slowed down and laid on the horn at the last moment he swerved away so hard I thought it was jackknife time.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: LunarEclipse] 2
#23932687 - 12/16/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was an anarchist from the age of 12, but after age 15 it never made any sense. socialist anarchy is impossible to implement, we just have to cooperate with whoever has power and make the best of it.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23933905 - 12/16/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: we just have to cooperate with whoever has power and make the best of it.
No we don't, you just got old and cowardly and sold out.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: viktor]
#23936397 - 12/17/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I think anarchy, I think punk kids throwing Molotov cocktails. Anarchy has a bad image and it won't be justifiable in the public eye until we can change that.
Personally, I don't think privatizing everything is a great idea, unless there is some sort of agreed consent that certain places should not be developed under any circumstances. Example: opening public lands and national parks for energy exploration and/or transportation.
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Re: How many of you turned to a school of anarchism after tripping(long term obviously)? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#23936521 - 12/17/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm totally with you on that, PT.
I just hope Obama designates the "Bear's Ears" on the Utah-Arizona border as a national monument before he leaves office. If he does that, it will be nearly impossible for Trump to reverse it, given the way the process works.
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