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How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip
#23930679 - 12/15/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you are in a shrooms trip and you get it to much, if you want to stop the effect, how can one stop this? .... Thanks
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid] 4
#23930694 - 12/15/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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By waiting it out.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23930696 - 12/15/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid] 3
#23930725 - 12/15/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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U don't stop them, u give in to them.. U die.. U come back to life, Bada Bing bada boom, voila..
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: zZZz]
#23930753 - 12/15/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zZZz said: U don't stop them, u give in to them.. U die.. U come back to life, Bada Bing bada boom, voila..
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23930758 - 12/15/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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htconesandroid said: When you are in a shrooms trip and you get it to much, if you want to stop the effect, how can one stop this? .... Thanks
Someone must be having a bad trip 
Just chilllllll.
and maybe take some xanax
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: zZZz]
#23930761 - 12/15/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23930781 - 12/15/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i heard cutting your genitals off helps
only works once though
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#23930783 - 12/15/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: i heard cutting your genitals off helps
only works once though
You can always duct tape them back on.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid] 1
#23930785 - 12/15/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Benzos or trazadone tend to help, but really the only way to stop the effects entirely without risking things getting worse is to wait.
Wanting it to stop is a natural part of the shroom trip. That is how you know you took enough.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23930793 - 12/15/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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close yourself off from stimuli, and become a mushroom.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid] 1
#23930800 - 12/15/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deep breathing Change of scenery Positive music Positive movies work great, overwhelming stimuli Sex or masturbation Simple exercises like jogging or planks, if youre over the border dont fuck with weights Someone to talk to, dont talk too much, listen
Xanax if you're seriously off the handle and a danger to yourself or others, but I dont recommend it, bad trips have a way of improving and becoming very memorable in a good way, xanax will basically end the experience.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Repertoire89]
#23930805 - 12/15/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you spend the experience running from the experience, you will regret it. Notice your breath coming in. Notice your breath going out. Notice your breath coming in...notice your breath going out...
If it's a real psychedelic crisis, Xanax won't help, and if it's not, you don't need Xanax.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Repertoire89]
#23930807 - 12/15/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Benzos aree trip killers for me
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: djbluntmagic]
#23930808 - 12/15/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Indulging in a trip gone south can be a great experience, meditating on it or just immersing in it, but its not always a good time for that.
Sometimes its preferable to eat an orange and get your dick sucked
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Repertoire89]
#23930812 - 12/15/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Indulging in a trip gone south can be a great experience, meditating on it or just immersing in it, but its not always a good time for that.
Sometimes its preferable to eat an orange and get your dick sucked
That's the thing. It's not gone south. It's exactly what it's supposed to be.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: djbluntmagic]
#23930815 - 12/15/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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djbluntmagic said:
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Repertoire89 said: Indulging in a trip gone south can be a great experience, meditating on it or just immersing in it, but its not always a good time for that.
Sometimes its preferable to eat an orange and get your dick sucked
That's the thing. It's not gone south. It's exactly what it's supposed to be.
So you're having a good time and the cops come by to harassle you, they leave but now you're spinning. Indulge in the negativity? Nah, turn it around man.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23930817 - 12/15/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Last seen: 44 minutes, 26 seconds
Yeah hes probably tripping lol
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: djbluntmagic]
#23930821 - 12/15/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've always heard a good dose of benzos can put the brakes on a trip in a hurry but I've never tried it
Honestly tho bad trips are just a part of the territory, especially with shrooms, and as such if you're taking a hefty dose you should be prepared to deal with that possibility, have good positive tunage on hand, etc.
If bad trips are a problem for you then you should really just try to find some synthetic mescaline or extract your own from raw cactus.. Mescaline is purely good vibes IME and I think it would be damn near impossible to have a bad trip with that chem in the mix
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23930886 - 12/15/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have no experience with it at peak but I took benzos once on the come down of a trip which still probably had a good 2-3 hours left and it stopped dead, I mean the quickness that I went from still tripping to pretty much completely sober was just completely unnatural feeling. That was in my early days of psychedelics and had never heard people use them for bad trips or anything. I just wanted to create a gradual shift from tripping to benzo high so I could relax for an hour or so after coming down and go to sleep.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Shroomslip]
#23930936 - 12/15/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try laughing
I once saw a scary looking clown thing in my mind, my first reaction was to be slightly disturbed, then I smiled and it puffed into a harmless character and smiled back.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23930959 - 12/15/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to carry around etizolam when we would drop acid, there are times where i wish i wouldnt have used it and other times it was a god send. Like most of you say though; you buy the ticket, you take the ride.
But ya id imagine any benzo would knock out a psychadelic trip to baseline.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23930978 - 12/15/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Mandarinfish] 2
#23932800 - 12/16/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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rip op
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23933231 - 12/16/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pure will power. Master the trip
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: MkUltra117]
#23966214 - 12/29/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: rip op
Oh, he's alive. 13 day thread, 8 days last seen. He probably realized after 5 days, he don't need us no mo'.
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MkUltra117 said: But ya id imagine any benzo would knock out a psychadelic trip to baseline.
You can realize just how zombified xanax makes you on a low dose of mushrooms. I still enjoy the poison.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23966301 - 12/29/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23966336 - 12/29/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pretty surprised noone mentioned alcohol. I mean really? Noone mentioned alcohol?
Thats always been my go to for tough experiences.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
#23966405 - 12/29/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When your in your in....
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
#23966451 - 12/29/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Pretty surprised noone mentioned alcohol. I mean really? Noone mentioned alcohol?
Thats always been my go to for tough experiences.
Alcohol is usually not a good thing for someone in a bad mindset. Also i would have to drink A LOT to mellow out a trip.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#23966618 - 12/29/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alcohol rarely has any effect on me during the peak of a trip, and once youre past the peak the bad trips done
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Repertoire89]
#23966632 - 12/29/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have had quite the opposite experiences. Alcohol is like liquid courage for me, If im ever feeling like shit or anxious it works great. I couldnt imagine alcohol not stopping a bad trip if you down 6 good shots of vodka. Infact I have drank on mushrooms before, I remember the effects of the alcohol overpowering the mushrooms entirely and while im sure I was still tripping, I was drunk.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
#23966649 - 12/29/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just wait it out op. Benzos can calm you down a bit but you'll still have to ride it out in the end.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23966669 - 12/29/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My 'bad' trips have always been the most beneficial for me. It wasn't until I was on the fetal position in tears on my bedroom floor while on 4g of lemon tek'd shrooms that I got over my 8 years of chronic depression. I also went from crying in the fetal position to being happier than I could believe was physically and mentally possible.
But none of this really matters because
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23966674 - 12/29/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cannabis, singing, and drumming, it will not cancel the effect but it will bring about a much more positive head space.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: SARAtonin]
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Niffla]
#23967327 - 12/30/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go to the ocean or a pool, jump in and swim to exhaustion ... that will help.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: KauaiOrca] 4
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KauaiOrca said: Go to the ocean
says the guy who's an orca
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Niffla] 1
#23967340 - 12/30/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I bet he's out there waiting for OP to jump in so he can stuff his gullet with that fresh meat
There's a reason they call them killer whales
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Repertoire89]
#23967342 - 12/30/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: I bet he's out there waiting for OP to jump in so he can stuff his gullet with that fresh meat
There's a reason they call them killer whales
LOL!
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Repertoire89] 2
#23967347 - 12/30/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: I bet he's out there waiting for OP to jump in so he can stuff his gullet with that fresh meat
that's what it's going to look like
OP just straight up jumping into his mouth
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: Niffla]
#23967361 - 12/30/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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N - Tell the girl in your sig she can ride on my dorsal fin if she'd like.
BTW, great sex can also be a good way to bring down the effects of a difficult trip. Gotta be the right girl, of course.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23967364 - 12/30/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Benzos, alcohol, maybe seroquel last resort. Benzos.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
#23967447 - 12/30/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Benzos if you want to calm down, seroquel if you want the trip to stop.
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Re: How can stop the effect of shrooms when you have a bad trip [Re: htconesandroid]
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htconesandroid said: When you are in a shrooms trip and you get it to much, if you want to stop the effect, how can one stop this? .... Thanks
You take more mushrooms
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