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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #23931452 - 12/16/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Every morning when I wake up I'm put-off that I'm still here so having a distraction even though I don't believe in anything, helps alleviate my desire to not exist.




i also struggle with that desire to not exist. existence often feels like such a burden.




Its a burden if you don't have love inside, love of God or divine love. Pray man, keep praying. God is what prayer is.



It's tough not feeling that divine spark. But yeah I keep doing what I can to "fake it till I make it" I'm happy more or less but deep down I have always felt empty and meaningless. Which I probably am.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Gibbering_wreck]
    #23931472 - 12/16/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My only problem with religion is that IME most religious people are close minded and ignorant.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23931782 - 12/16/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like when Abraham is asked by god to sacrifice his son Isaac as a burnt offering.  Abraham is about to knife Isaac to death when god says he was just testing him.
I'm reading the bible cover to cover again.  I haven't read it in eight years and this is my first time reading a king james version with the old english.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23932492 - 12/16/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

God - "Yo Abe, Kill your son dawg"

Abe - "...what?..."

God - " CMON MAN, it'll be metal as fuck, Satan has been pestering me, calling me a bitch, weak, etc..so I told him that you and I would ritually sacrifice our sons "

Abe - "o .. rly?.."

God - "yea dude, im like GOD"

Abe - "ok ..then.*raises knife*"

God - " JK LULZ "

Abe -  :pokerawe: 

God -  :iamderp:


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #23933768 - 12/16/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ideally, we'd do with religion what we've done with smallpox. That is, eradicate that shit from the face of the Earth except for a small vial buried in a bio-proof safe under 25,000 tons of concrete and steel guarded by 10th degree coral belts armed with automatic grenade launchers. That way, if we ever need that shit (like to take down a rogue planet of jingoistic space invaders) it's at our disposal.

Everything good from religion can be found elsewhere without its attendant problems. Inspiration and art? Meet the humanities. Solace and understanding. Let me introduce you to philosophy and spirituality. Stories to read on a cold winter's night? Hello, literature. Communion and compassion? Fuck that, I don't like people anyway...but, really, if you only hang around with people who read and believe in the same book that's 3,500 or 2,000 or 1,400 years old, that's just fucking weird. We don't have people forming communities based on their love of The Decameron or Troilus and Criseyde.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Bloto]
    #23934190 - 12/17/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ideally, we'd do with religion what we've done with smallpox. That is, eradicate that shit from the face of the Earth except for a small vial buried in a bio-proof safe under 25,000 tons of concrete and steel guarded by 10th degree coral belts armed with automatic grenade launchers. That way, if we ever need that shit (like to take down a rogue planet of jingoistic space invaders) it's at our disposal.

Everything good from religion can be found elsewhere without its attendant problems. Inspiration and art? Meet the humanities. Solace and understanding. Let me introduce you to philosophy and spirituality. Stories to read on a cold winter's night? Hello, literature. Communion and compassion? Fuck that, I don't like people anyway...but, really, if you only hang around with people who read and believe in the same book that's 3,500 or 2,000 or 1,400 years old, that's just fucking weird. We don't have people forming communities based on their love of The Decameron or Troilus and Criseyde.





A few good points but still can't tell me anything about this world, why it exists, where it is going and how to live in it without religion. You can call it a crutch if you like but its really more a crux and an axiom for being human on this earth. Without it i think we'd be robots or stick figure people. It can solve problems like why a person wakes up in the morning and asks why the fuck he exists instead of blowing his brains out. Plus it helps get through the hardship that there is here without problems or bitterness


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: SpiritualWarrior] * 1
    #23934715 - 12/17/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ideally, we'd do with religion what we've done with smallpox. That is, eradicate that shit from the face of the Earth except for a small vial buried in a bio-proof safe under 25,000 tons of concrete and steel guarded by 10th degree coral belts armed with automatic grenade launchers. That way, if we ever need that shit (like to take down a rogue planet of jingoistic space invaders) it's at our disposal.

Everything good from religion can be found elsewhere without its attendant problems. Inspiration and art? Meet the humanities. Solace and understanding. Let me introduce you to philosophy and spirituality. Stories to read on a cold winter's night? Hello, literature. Communion and compassion? Fuck that, I don't like people anyway...but, really, if you only hang around with people who read and believe in the same book that's 3,500 or 2,000 or 1,400 years old, that's just fucking weird. We don't have people forming communities based on their love of The Decameron or Troilus and Criseyde.





A few good points but still can't tell me anything about this world, why it exists, where it is going and how to live in it without religion. You can call it a crutch if you like but its really more a crux and an axiom for being human on this earth. Without it i think we'd be robots or stick figure people. It can solve problems like why a person wakes up in the morning and asks why the fuck he exists instead of blowing his brains out. Plus it helps get through the hardship that there is here without problems or bitterness




I'm glad religion gives you solace, man. And, honestly, so long as religion doesn't encroach on the rights and prerogatives of others, I don't really care about it in any practical sense. The problem, of course, is that it never keeps to itself. That's when the hairs on the back of my neck stick up. I can't buy beer on Sunday because of your imaginary friend? Fuck you. (Not you personally - I'm just making points here.)

Surely, though, you don't mean what you said about religion being the only thing that can "tell me anything about this world, why it exists, where it is going and how to live..." That's just silly.

The various disciplines of science have told us more about "this world" than religion could ever aspire to. You can chose to ignore it, but that doesn't change the fact science has identified, described, explained, and even summarized more about the universe than you or I could consume in 1,000 lifetimes.

"Why" questions, especially those so broad as "why the world exists," are admittedly more difficult but philosophy addresses it in context of the weak/strong anthropomorphic principle. That may prove the confines of how far we can understand "why." Or not. That's the beautiful thing about scientific theory - it's not beholden to what Jebus or Binky or L. Ron Hubbard said years ago - it craves more knowledge and adapts to conform.

Science also hypothesizes about where the world is going. It's pretty well settled the Earth (if we don't obliterate it before) will be consumed by the sun's expansion. Observations a few years ago showed the universe's rate of expansion is accelerating. From that, some have hypothesized the universe ends in a cold and impossibly distant expanse. If you mean where humans are going, please see the social sciences.

Lastly, how to live. The question presupposes an objective answer that likely isn't there. It's a personal choice, of course, and there are philosophical, spiritual, social, and practical sources for that. And I presume you don't strictly adhere to how the abrahamic scriptures say to live your life - if you do, you're a damned savage.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #23934796 - 12/17/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ideally, we'd do with religion what we've done with smallpox. That is, eradicate that shit from the face of the Earth except for a small vial buried in a bio-proof safe under 25,000 tons of concrete and steel guarded by 10th degree coral belts armed with automatic grenade launchers. That way, if we ever need that shit (like to take down a rogue planet of jingoistic space invaders) it's at our disposal.

Everything good from religion can be found elsewhere without its attendant problems. Inspiration and art? Meet the humanities. Solace and understanding. Let me introduce you to philosophy and spirituality. Stories to read on a cold winter's night? Hello, literature. Communion and compassion? Fuck that, I don't like people anyway...but, really, if you only hang around with people who read and believe in the same book that's 3,500 or 2,000 or 1,400 years old, that's just fucking weird. We don't have people forming communities based on their love of The Decameron or Troilus and Criseyde.





A few good points but still can't tell me anything about this world, why it exists, where it is going and how to live in it without religion. You can call it a crutch if you like but its really more a crux and an axiom for being human on this earth. Without it i think we'd be robots or stick figure people. It can solve problems like why a person wakes up in the morning and asks why the fuck he exists instead of blowing his brains out. Plus it helps get through the hardship that there is here without problems or bitterness





I'm against religion for so many different reasons, but the biggest one being that I think it teaches people to be ok with not understanding the world. 

And another thing I hate about religion is that it get's introduced to children at such an early age, essentially brainwashing them.  Children (or just people in fucking general) should be thought how to think, not what to think.  Imagine if it was against the law to introduce religion to someone before their 18th birthday.  What do you think would happen to religion then?  It would be gone within a generation or two at the most.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #23939150 - 12/18/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd argue that many concepts in religion like the Buddhist concept of no self, don't exactly go very far to relieve the average person's death anxiety.




I don't know if you really got the concept of no self too well... for me it shattered my death anxiety because I stopped identifying with my body and mind, which I know must die, and started identifying with consciousness, which I know to be eternal.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: viktor]
    #23939530 - 12/19/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd argue that many concepts in religion like the Buddhist concept of no self, don't exactly go very far to relieve the average person's death anxiety.




I don't know if you really got the concept of no self too well... for me it shattered my death anxiety because I stopped identifying with my body and mind, which I know must die, and started identifying with consciousness, which I know to be eternal.





Yes but the transition from being heavily identified with the body and the egoic mind, to identification with consciousness is what your average person finds frightening. Did you not find the switch from identifying with your body and mind to identifying with consciousness frightening? I can only speak for myself but I have found the shedding of the old self to be extremely distressing at times.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23939543 - 12/19/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm against religion for so many different reasons, but the biggest one being that I think it teaches people to be ok with not understanding the world. 




That's true. One of my favorite preachers, who goes by the name of Bertie Brits said that one of the worst things to happen to Christianity is that the church became stupid. The people who wrote the new testament were most likely at the forefront of understanding the world and the human psyche in their time. Now your average Christian is expected to shut out/ignore any information that conflicts with the "official story" his church gives, as though it is a political party rather than a spiritual teaching.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #23939597 - 12/19/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd argue that many concepts in religion like the Buddhist concept of no self, don't exactly go very far to relieve the average person's death anxiety.




I don't know if you really got the concept of no self too well... for me it shattered my death anxiety because I stopped identifying with my body and mind, which I know must die, and started identifying with consciousness, which I know to be eternal.





Yes but the transition from being heavily identified with the body and the egoic mind, to identification with consciousness is what your average person finds frightening. Did you not find the switch from identifying with your body and mind to identifying with consciousness frightening? I can only speak for myself but I have found the shedding of the old self to be extremely distressing at times.




Yes, I agree with you here and see what you mean. I think there is less anxiety in the long term - but, you are right, getting to that state requires confronting some massive truths, which is generally unsettling.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23939670 - 12/19/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

He he - that very thread is open in my other tab. Synchronicity?


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: viktor]
    #23948110 - 12/22/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23958016 - 12/26/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Theres humans looking to others to tell them what to believe.  They usually get done over.

Then theres humans who realise its a spiritual free for all and decide for themselves what to think.

Religion is just the ass that realises it and uses it to their personal advantage.  This is being replaced now by government though.  People always want someone else to tell them how to act and what to do. 

Thats how fasion and social status works.  It used to be ruled by religion but now everyone wants big brother to tell them instead.  Government has become the new religion.  Its all the same mind set though.  One of looking for a parental figure.

Others realise we are all soveriegn but don't use it for personal gain.  Thats why truth gets hidden.  If you don't want to gain from knowing we are all god/devil (one) then how can you tell anyone else thats looking for some group authority that it is in fact inside them already!?

At core the message of all the mahor religions was the same but it then gets twisted and corrupted by people that don't get the message completely.  Its about being 100% selfless and ego less because we are all the same being.  Only the thinking mind creates incorrect beliefs that seperate us. 

As soon as this happens people become afraid and eventually fight.  We've been collectively transcending this.  It is the plight of humans but a battle we all face internally.  It is something only the ape with the over thinking mind can create.  Other creatures do not do this because they have not deveolped the brain to the point we have now where the animal mind of ego and emotion and rational intelligence and knowing are battling it out.  It slowly gets less violent as we learn to accept what we are and take responsability.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23959651 - 12/27/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't be, sentience can't exist without matter.


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