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Offlinesunshine
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I'm concerned about the existence of religion
    #23930282 - 12/15/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

wouldn't it be better without religion?


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23930287 - 12/15/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yes


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: SomeoneWhoIsMe]
    #23930305 - 12/15/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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yes




Amen

I just finished Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion.  A wonderful book that makes a pretty strong case for a "yes" to your question, OP


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23930320 - 12/15/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Once people became conscious of death, one of the first things they come up with are religious beliefs to make sense of it. It's no coincidence that virtually every tribe has gods.  It's death anxiety relief, always has been, always will be.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23930328 - 12/15/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its a problem of Men, not religion.
Just like drugs can fuck up someone, so to can religion, so to can politics.  My point? Its the individual where it starts no? 

Even if religion was not around, some other type of cult would arise and so the cycle would begin and the issues would be similar but under a different system.

Civilization is a necessary evil if you dont want to live out in the wild -  and religion played a huge role in helping civilization come about along with politics.

Things will change over time, in 1,000 years things wont even resemble today.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23930412 - 12/15/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Religion is another form of control just like governments. With government, you do things a certain way or you go to jail, with religion, you do things a certain way or you go to hell. Notice the similarities. I know it's not always hell, but it could be being born to a lower caste next life or a number of different punishments.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: thebug76]
    #23930433 - 12/15/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just don't want to be punished is all.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23930699 - 12/15/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Or it could be just reaping what you sow.  Like cheating on your girlfriend and feeling terrible guilt over it - which is painful ie suffering ie. hell.  SO be a good Dog and only fuck 1 sheep ok.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23930849 - 12/15/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Religion is just an expression of human culture, it's not good or bad in of itself. Its actually a complex topic and can't be over simplified in my opinion. There is a lot of spiritual knowledge and wisdom in religion and of course religion is also used to control and manipulate people.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Huskies]
    #23930861 - 12/15/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Huskies said:
Once people became conscious of death, one of the first things they come up with are religious beliefs to make sense of it. It's no coincidence that virtually every tribe has gods.  It's death anxiety relief, always has been, always will be.




The gods govern life as well as death, so I don't think that's accurate. Religion can be just as much about living a good life as having a good death, furthermore I'd argue that many concepts in religion like the Buddhist concept of no self, don't exactly go very far to relieve the average person's death anxiety. Most people don't like to hear that they are not what they think are.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23930927 - 12/15/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I consider myself spiritual, but not religious. I don't think there is any punishment or reward after this body dies, just another purpose and reuse of the energy that makes up our essence, soul, spirit, or whatever you want to call it.

I do believe there's a higher power. I don't think human consciousness could've evolved to the intelligence level it has without it, but I think it is just the source energy and not a "god" per say. Although, I guess a god would be a good a name as any to call it. I don't believe it came to earth in a human body or that it had a child with a virgin.

Back then, sex out of wedlock was punishable by death, so of course they said it was a miracle baby, wouldn't you.
Go read Romans chapter 1 verses 1-5. It plainly says that jesus had a human bloodline and only became the son of god through the resurrection. Yet christians die for the belief that he was in all ways gods child with contradictory info in the very book they take up their way of life in.

In other words, religion is all about wordplay and stopping people from doing things that a certain group doesn't like. And that's all religions. "Oh God doesn't like sinners and smoking that herb is a sin". Come on, give me a break.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: thebug76] * 1
    #23930979 - 12/15/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like the idea that smoking herb is a sin is a modern idea that has nothing to do with the spiritual teachings of Jesus and Christianity. You could make just as strong an argument that herb is a gift from God as a sin. But our modern culture has both grown to fear nature, as well as fallen deep into addiction. So now herb became associated with druggies and addiction, rather than its inherent spiritual and medicinal properties. If we lived in a healthy society than could enjoy herb without abusing it, there would be a totally different perception of it.

Its a lot like tobacco. Native americans saw tobacco as sacred but our society abuses it so we think its bad and we teach our children its bad. What if we taught our children tobacco was a sacred gift from nature meant to be enjoyed responsibly and instead of mass producing cigarettes we smoked natural tobacco on special occasions? Kds would then grow up respecting tobacco and knowing how to use it, rather than either avoiding it or becoming addicted to it.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion *DELETED* [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23931005 - 12/15/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion *DELETED* [Re: Gibbering_wreck]
    #23931012 - 12/15/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Gibbering_wreck]
    #23931031 - 12/15/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Religion is scary.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23931088 - 12/15/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The herb thing was just an example. I could've just as easily said " oh god doesn't like sinners and sex without his blessing of marriage is a sin", or anything else that's considered a sin.

I just smoked some kickass bud and religion is a touchy point for me, so I apologize in advance for the following wall of text. Don't worry, I'm not ass in it, I just giving detailed answer to OP's original question in essay form. I hope none of y'all are English professors cause I didn't even proofread or change out words to sound more professional and educated like they like.

There were many, many gospels written, yet only 4 were allowed in the bible. ( I know I'm talking mostly about Christianity, but the same concepts apply to almost all religions) Jesus had a supposed half-brother whom Joseph was actually the father with Mary being the mother, Thomas. He wrote a gospel stating that he sat beside Jesus and his gospel was only the words of Jesus and not his own (Thomas's).
It wasn't allowed in the bible because of one single verse that says "The kingdom of God cannot be found in buildings of wood and stone for it is within yourself".

A bunch weren't allowed in because of one common trait, They talk about Jesus and Mary Magdeline being married and having children. The 4 that did (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) all claim that she was a whore who Jesus saved and brought in as one of his desciples. My question here is why, with so many more stating she was his wife than otherwise, would they choose that story instead?  Best answer: Jesus needed to be more than human to keep the foundation of christianity stable.

Christianity, Muslim, and islam all worship the same god by the way.

Some religions have a single God, and some have many gods with a primary god or trio of gods. They all have a few things in common too like: a hierarchy, whether it be God>Cherubs>Archangels>Angels or Primary God>brothers or top group>lesser gods>demi-gods, and a flood story, check out The Epic of Gilgamesh (the oldest writing ever found), and the gods/angels always came from the sky, even in Christianity, an all-powerful God couldn't just materialize, he "came down" from the "heavens". Check out the original meaning of the word heaven, not what religion has turned it into.

I'm not saying it would be better if religion didn't exist, it provides morality better than anything, but I think all schools should require religion and mythology classes that teach all beliefs, not just one. Then everyone would understand why other religions believe and do things they do. It's all they've known from birth, and not just the current generation, but for many generations. It's been ingrained in cultures for hundreds or thousands of years. They can't help thinking the way they do.

I have a strong Christian background. It was all I knew until I went back to college late in life (35yrs old then) and I chose as many religion and mythology classes as I could because they were easy A', but I learned a lot and then the next time I ate mushrooms, I'm not even going to get into the revelations I had, that's a 6 page report by itself.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: sunshine]
    #23931120 - 12/15/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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wouldn't it be better without religion?







If you were to expunge religion from the face of the earth, you would need to have proper leaders step up to the plate for people to follow, because people are always looking for someone to follow.  These leaders would have to be fair, and not try to take advantage of those that trusted them, this might be hard to find with the way many people are though, you give some people the smallest shred of power and they turn into Stalin overnight.

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Dogma sucks but going through the motions feels good. I'm antitheist but I enjoy the ceremony of "religion" it's like make believe for adults. Feels good to use your imagination



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Every morning when I wake up I'm put-off that I'm still here so having a distraction even though I don't believe in anything, helps alleviate my desire to not exist.





I disagree.

You can find other things to distract yourself with, things that will actually benefit yourself, and possibly the people around you, it seems counterproductive to distract yourself with outdated beliefs.

You should create your own ceremonies to alleviate your worries, I find that doing 100-200 pushups before I get out of the house in the morning is my ritual, my ceremony, and I am working on the temple of Fennario, building the temple walls of flesh and sinew.



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I just don't want to be punished is all.





Yet you punish yourself by thinking such a way, which just makes this reality harder for you to deal with because you worry about being judged for being human, just use your mind, approach each situation from a standpoint of logic and reason, you don't need imaginary friends to tell you how to live your life, to remind you it's not OK to murder someone, if you do then you're weak.

I think mankind should work towards bettering ourselves without religions, this way we become truly strong, and we create strong men and women who have been forged in the fires of rational thought.  Imaginary friends are not going to fly us to other planets, imaginary friends are not going to take us to the depths of the oceans, people of flesh and blood engineer the things we need to explore such places, so lets put our resources in the things we can see, the things we can feel, the things which are real, and in doing so a brighter future might be had by the next generation, a future not sunk in the mire of religious zealotry and ignorance.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Lucis]
    #23931159 - 12/15/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying it would be better if religion didn't exist, it provides morality better than anything, but I think all schools should require religion and mythology classes that teach all beliefs, not just one. Then everyone would understand why other religions believe and do things they do. It's all they've known from birth, and not just the current generation, but for many generations. It's been ingrained in cultures for hundreds or thousands of years. They can't help thinking the way they do.




I agree not only should kids be taught about religion (religion is actually one of the most important topics in human history as it is a powerful force in the shaping of culture yet I was taught virtually nothing about religion in school, not even the basics) kids should also be taught basic life skills, like how to eat right, how to cope with depression and other mental problems, how to think for themselves, and how to relate with other people in a healthy manner. If we taught our kids these things, the world would completely change in a generation. I believe it is a conspiracy that we dont teach things, because no person in their right mind could possibly object to teachings kids these things and yet its almost never done.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Gibbering_wreck]
    #23931165 - 12/15/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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NHshroomerLR said:
Every morning when I wake up I'm put-off that I'm still here so having a distraction even though I don't believe in anything, helps alleviate my desire to not exist.




i also struggle with that desire to not exist. existence often feels like such a burden.


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Re: I'm concerned about the existence of religion [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23931308 - 12/16/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Peyote Road said:
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NHshroomerLR said:
Every morning when I wake up I'm put-off that I'm still here so having a distraction even though I don't believe in anything, helps alleviate my desire to not exist.




i also struggle with that desire to not exist. existence often feels like such a burden.




Its a burden if you don't have love inside, love of God or divine love. Pray man, keep praying. God is what prayer is.


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