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I think I'm done with psychedelics
    #23929738 - 12/15/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I turned 40 this year, over the last 3 years I've noticed that my trips are "meh" at best. I don't indulge too much, average 5-6 times per year but they have lost their magic. I don't get epiphanies, insights or even great visuals (other than smoked DMT). This past year I've been part of aya and san pedro ceremonies (both high doses), 3-4 tab acid trips, shrooms (5 grams) and none of them have stood out.

I get more out of smoking a joint and meditating or just being by myself driving.
Since I am going through a divorce and relearning who I am I thought that psyches might give me some clarity but it has been the opposite. 2016 has been the most cloudy and depressing year of my life. Maybe the lesson is that I am done and can put the psychedelic chapter of my life to rest. It's been 20 years since my first shroom trip, back then every trip was full of wonder and magic. I've also introduced many to the wold of psyches and even turned some lives around. I took a 6 month break in 2015 to see if the magic would come back, but alas it did not.

With 2017 approaching I'm also looking at changing careers. Not happy at my current job which has been a blessing but right now feels like I'm shackled to this job for life. Looking forward to new relationships and experiences but I don't feel like psyches are going to play a part in this new chapter.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen] * 3
    #23929753 - 12/15/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well take a long break or quit them if you feel the need. Nothing wrong with extended breaks or quitting. I've had various health issues in the last few years so haven't tripped in a long while. I tend to trip a ton for years on end then stop for a few years then get back into it tripping several times a month for years. That has been my cycle since I started regardless of my age. I wish you luck in your career change and hope you find things you enjoy doing in your spare time!

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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #23929815 - 12/15/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What doses of shrooms do you been taking lately?


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics *DELETED* [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #23929833 - 12/15/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: Mateja]
    #23929834 - 12/15/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't dosed shrooms since july which was 5 grams cubensis. But it was very mild. They guy I split it with had a great trip.
I usually take between 3.5g - 7g, highest has been 14g.
the past 7-8 years I would only take them maybe 3 times a year.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: SomeoneWhoIsMe]
    #23929847 - 12/15/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe once they have taught you all of their magic, they stop working for you? I don't mean you stop getting the trip, it's still there, but just without the magical aspects. I don't know just some of my psilocybin induced philosophy Lol :grin:




That's the conclusion I've been leaning towards. The magic and wonder is gone, replaced by thought loops and discomfort. Any answers I would be looking for don't get answered, I just feel confused and uncomfortable.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #23929889 - 12/15/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I find psycadelics to be a spirit realm.  More of a mirror than a magic 8 ball.  Expectation yields poor results. 

Smoke weed and meditate if that works.  If sobriety works then do that too.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen] * 1
    #23929928 - 12/15/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think this level happens to all experienced trippers. You realized that it is not the drugs, yet were pushed by them to the realization. It's okay to not be enamoured anymore, if you feel the need then move on. Personally I'm 25 and at that point. The insights don't come the same as they used to. The wow factor is so much more dull. I still trip, but one day I know I'll move on. The only thing that produces the same level of intensity is upping the dose extremely. I mean my last trip was 100mg 4aco dmt and 50mg 4ho mipt. I tripped balls, had a DMT-like shroomy breakthrough with entities and a vast morphing geometric landscape. Was it newbie 'wow-factor' level? Not at all. But it was cool.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23929938 - 12/15/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hear you OP.  Some people just grow up and move on is all. :thumbup:


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass] * 3
    #23929971 - 12/15/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not 40, but I have reached this same sort of mindset but eventually worked through it.
For me the magic was lost at small or regular doses, there comes a time when you must take very large doses to get lost in the magic again.
I trip 1 or 2 times a year on average, but when I take a dose it's typically 10grams of mushrooms or 4x the normal LSD dose.
Trust me the magic will never be gone at these dose ranges.

But you do whats best for you of course.

It's nothing to do with "growing up", I never took psychedelics for fun.
I think of them in a Mckenna'esque way, Mushrooms are to psychonauts as a microscope is to a biologist.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #23929974 - 12/15/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Trust yourself.

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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: Tmethyl] * 1
    #23929997 - 12/15/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not 40, but I have reached this same sort of mindset but eventually worked through it.
For me the magic was lost at small or regular doses, there comes a time when you must take very large doses to get lost in the magic again.
I trip 1 or 2 times a year on average, but when I take a dose it's typically 10grams of mushrooms or 4x the normal LSD dose.
Trust me the magic will never be gone at these dose ranges.

But you do whats best for you of course. 

It's nothing to do with "growing up", I never took psychedelics for fun.
I think of them in a Mckenna'esque way, Mushrooms are to psychonauts as a microscope is to a biologist.





Actually it does.  "Mckenna esque"  Ha.  It is very much growing up.  I love normal consciousness and the clear lucidity it comes with, it is unmatched.  Psychedelics and their "promises" are just like a pastor selling water next to a river.  Unpopular opinion on the shroomery im sure.  But to each his own.  I use an actual microscope and telescope, and my mind.  Mushrooms are just for mind tricks, surely you either see through them, or you fall for them. A good test of your Current character is all.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23930075 - 12/15/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the responses guys. I think I'm going to take a full year devoid of any psyches, maybe more... perhaps indefinitely.

2017 is a year of big changes for me. I will be backpacking southeast asia by myself for the first time, with the goal of discovering myself again after the persona of being a husband and sole provider is now dead.

I really lost myself in the marriage, my only goal was making sure bills were paid and the wife and kids were happy. I really lost myself in that mentality and was probably a factor in why I wasn't happy. I had stopped playing drums, hanging out with friends that she didn't like, and putting myself last.

I used psyches in 2016 to try and figure out who I am and what I want in life, but I found only confusion and uncertainty. Working on myself in a sober mindset has given me more direction and answers


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen] * 1
    #23930154 - 12/15/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You need to pick up those sticks and bang them drums man. Be you, rediscover yourself. Psychedelic insights are great but it's all talk.. I think if you're not walking enough that your mind gets oversaturated with said talk. Walk it off lol. Tripping is fun but it's not living, nothing is wilder than that. I think if you spend enough time you will find what's right for you, and that's all anyone needs.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23930182 - 12/15/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks dude, your words ring true with me. I have rediscovered my love for drums and have been playing a ton in the last year. More in the last 4 months since I moved out and actually separated from my wife. Rather than living together in separate rooms.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #23930217 - 12/15/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Man All I can say is have you been listening to The Aristocrats?



Marco Minnemann is beast!

Go travel in Asia,  I did it a few years back and I got to be totally un self conscious and be alive again.  Something about not knowing the language is liberating to me, and learning it fresh while being in another country (japan/korea)  is the best of the best.  Life rules and is the ultimate trip.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23931118 - 12/15/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds more like you are going through a rough time with the divorce and such that at the moment its not a good time to be taking them. I seriously doubt though that you can reach an age where psychedelics no longer work anymore. If you were to suddenly start feeling good again I'm pretty sure the trips too would improve. If life sucks mushrooms suck too and X about one million!


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: wolf8312]
    #23931377 - 12/16/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno man.. I'm kinda having the opposite effect..

I'm 35 now, and holy shit... I mean, I've been doing psychs for 2 decades now, all sorts of em, at varying dosages, hundreds of trips under my belt blah blah blah...

but if anything, they just keep getting deeper and more profound... I don't do them nearly as often as I used to, like 2-3 trips a year, sometimes even less, sometimes a bit more.. but shit, 300-400 mics of LSD rips me a new spiritual asshole every single time, as does an 8th of mushrooms, doses I used to be able to keep it together on for the most part.. nowadays it takes a few days, even MONTHS to put my ego back together again after a solid trip on said doses.

low doses have lost their magic for sure I guess, in fact I find them kind of annoying more than anything...

the thought of another LSD trip gives me the heebie jeebies, I feel like the revelations about our reality I receive at this point are too much for my feeble little human mind to process.. I've had a bunch sittin around for ages that I just don't want to touch, yet 5-10 years ago I'd be trying my best not to drop it :lol: ... same with DMT, have a few grams that have been sittin around for a couple years now, I mostly just gift it to people who are seeking, one trip a year is more than enough as it just gets me too deep to even fathom doing it more than that :shrug:

I'm not ready to hang up the towel yet by any means, but I tend to tread a bit more lightly than I used to... or not do a deep dive as often anyway.


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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: wolf8312] * 1
    #23932390 - 12/16/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds more like you are going through a rough time with the divorce and such that at the moment its not a good time to be taking them. I seriously doubt though that you can reach an age where psychedelics no longer work anymore. If you were to suddenly start feeling good again I'm pretty sure the trips too would improve. If life sucks mushrooms suck too and X about one million!




My intention in my Aya and san pedro journeys were to get to the root of my unwillingness to let go of the relationship even though it wasn't making me my best self. To let go of attachment and resentment towards her.
But in those experiences I would just remember all the good times and my heart couldn't let go. Time apart and sober alone moments have given me more clarity than being under the influence.
I just recently had my first date since the separation so I know I've lost a lot of the resentment and feel comfortable moving on.

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Re: I think I'm done with psychedelics [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #23932574 - 12/16/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds to me like OP could be a bit depressed. These days news about psychedelics helping depression are everywhere, but I can imagine that for an experienced psychonaut the effects could be different. One symptom of depression is that the things that felt good in the past don't feel good anymore.

Taking time off and traveling could be the best thing to do.


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