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mushboy
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: pacmanbreed]
#23926048 - 12/14/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yah. the pp5 containers are nice but dont last forever. unlike glass.
but after a serious cultivation run trying to move with 100+ glass quart jars is a bitch.
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AK1000
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23926155 - 12/14/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: What is the advantage of these PP5-Jars compared to the glass ones?
I can imagine that the jar lid and the threads of the plastic ones could be damaged after a while.
I've PC'd the plastic ones many many times and they dont break. One of them cracked cause I squeezed it unusually hard for no reason. It's a massive difference in weight when you have a PC full of glass jars versus plastic.
But by far, the biggest advantage is that the mouth tapers wider than the bottom so the substrate will LITERALLY just slide out when you want to harvest and you just cut them off.
It will look like this:

Rather than this:

That way when you want to have a second flush, you put the substrate back in easily, and dunk it in water for a couple hours and then you get another flush.
The other MAJOR advantage is that the plastic lids are just ONE piece. When you have a jar that's colonized and you want it to fruit, you could just unscrew the lid and it will allow gas exchange to occur. The glass mason jars, the lids and rings are separate pieces. If you unscrew the ring, the lid stays closed over it, so that's why people modify their metal lids.
The other benefit is that they are stackable on top of each other and slide within each other when not in use.
Also, I hear that side-pinning is a lot less common with the plastic ones. Plus they're reasonable in price. Stuff like that.
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23926188 - 12/14/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah ok thank you for your answer. So most of the advantages are more for jar cultivation, when spawning to mono anyway there aren't so many advantages
And I only use one-part metal lids anyway
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23926249 - 12/14/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great post man, this kind of posts really contribute to this site.
Btw 90% alcohol does not work with germs, 65-70% works better AND you'll have more of if you dilute it .)
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Tira]
#23928073 - 12/14/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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One more tip I'd like to add is that when you Pressure Cook bottles... their lids are loose and you need to tighten them after so that they don't get contaminated.
So what I do is when the pressure in the PC has gone down to 0psi BUT STILL REALLY HOT, I will wear gloves and immediately open the lid of the PC and twist the bottles shut. The fact that everything is still very very hot will reduce the chance of anything surviving anyway while the lids are briefly cracked like that.
I put them immediately into my SAB.
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23928089 - 12/14/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never tried these bottles. Not having to mess with pasteurization sounds nice but the amount of pressure cooking I'd have to do in place seems intense
Going to try these sometime
Edited by Intelligentxfruit2 (12/15/16 12:06 AM)
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Intelligentxfruit2]
#23928229 - 12/15/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The risk of contamns getting in while the agar is still really hot is not that high. I always just take the bottles out of the PC with gloves and screw the lid tight.
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Dactylium
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23928250 - 12/15/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah bacteria aren't going to defy gravity and ninja their way around the threads. Maybe if you do something like open your pressure cooker before it cools off ya might could have issue-problems. Bottles look like a lot of fun. I've got a whole bunch of them in the closet waiting for me to get some cultures going.
Quality post my dude
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enlightenment
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23928260 - 12/15/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always tighten my agar bottles before I PC them. Never had a broken bottle yet. The glass of the bottles is very thick. I used the same bottles for over 2500 dishes.

How I do agar
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: enlightenment]
#23928271 - 12/15/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I also have these bottles, same size too they are great
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Junior Fungus
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Dactylium]
#23928275 - 12/15/16 02:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dactylium said: Maybe if you do something like open your pressure cooker before it cools off ya might could have issue-problems.
Is it a southern US thing to say might could? It's very amusing. A friend of mine says that a lot. There's something else she says too but I can't remember. .. She's from south carolina. Or is it north carolina...
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Dactylium
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Junior Fungus]
#23928279 - 12/15/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's totally a bible-belt thing. I'm Canadian born but grew up down here so I use the phrases ironically. I'm a huge fan of "irregardless"
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Junior Fungus
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Dactylium]
#23928285 - 12/15/16 02:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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❤️ much love, my fellow Canadian mushroom lover
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KauaiOrca
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Junior Fungus]
#23928345 - 12/15/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some of the most important things I've learned from all of my limited efforts is:
1) A good clean LC of a good culture is worth its weight in gold 2) It's not easy to get a good clean LC (you gotta follow the steps the right way) 3) Pins from clusters onto agar is the easiest path to a strong producing culture 4) Violet's method of farming contam free pins invitro on RGS from spores is easy for beginners (anyone can do this) as you don't need dozens and dozens of agar plates to find success.
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Edited by KauaiOrca (12/15/16 06:49 AM)
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Kenetic
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23928581 - 12/15/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adding could after might is redundant. Not a southern thing. Nam talking aboot?
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Dactylium
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23929635 - 12/15/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: 4) Violet's method of farming contam free pins invitro on RGS from spores is easy for beginners (anyone can do this) as you don't need dozens and dozens of agar plates to find success.
>spores >contam free Pick one.
You don't even need dozens of plates to clean up a culture and wait for it to pin off of the agar. Agar is so fucking easy, I honestly can't comprehend why someone would avoid using it.
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Dactylium]
#23929708 - 12/15/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use a lot of plates sometimes. Between trying new varieties or obtaining some monocultures from ms (which I still havent done despite how "easy" it sounds) or just cloning, I easily go through 40+ plates a week. I have put some stuff on hold though cause Im moving. Sucks cause one month of nothing puts me two months behind lol.
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KauaiOrca
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Dactylium]
#23929715 - 12/15/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dactylium said:
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KauaiOrca said: 4) Violet's method of farming contam free pins invitro on RGS from spores is easy for beginners (anyone can do this) as you don't need dozens and dozens of agar plates to find success.
>spores >contam free Pick one.
You don't even need dozens of plates to clean up a culture and wait for it to pin off of the agar. Agar is so fucking easy, I honestly can't comprehend why someone would avoid using it.
That was actually my point. That getting cleanest possible pins, then putting on Agar is a lot easier than doing a bunch of plates to get isolates and testing them each individually. Agar is easy ... up to a point. I've seen some growers that have 50 plates testing at once. That's not easy.
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Dactylium
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23930179 - 12/15/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh well yeah, if you take the pins from the RGS and clean it up on agar I don't see an issue with this method.
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Dactylium]
#23930186 - 12/15/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Testing fifty plates is worth it in the long run.
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