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ShroominMoomin
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1st mushroom experience, microdosing
#23929598 - 12/15/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have never done any psychedelics before but wanted to try them out after finding out about possible benefits for anxiety and depression. I was going to do about 1-1.25 grams by myself, but the planned time for them went away so I decided to try microdosing instead.
So I measured 0.2 grams of cubensis and made a cup of lemon flavoured green tea with a bit of honey. Taste was fine and I drank it in about 15 minutes. After about 20-30 minutes started to feel the effects. Sudden nausea hit and I had to vomit a little. This helped and I didn’t feel nauseous anymore. I decided to meditate for 15 minutes and focus on the sensations. Body started to feel anxious and restless.
I laid down after meditating because I didn’t feel like I could do anything productive. Felt a bit spaced out, mind started to race and run around in circles. I tried to just be present and not get caught in thought loops. Warm and more pleasant bodily sensations came on top of the anxious feelings. Mind constantly wanted to jump around and create new visions, like what can happen in between being awake and sleeping. I didn’t want to get too much caught on thoughts I deemed unproductive, but then again I wanted to just go with the flow. Occasionally I saw slight closed-eye colours if I focused on seeing rather than thinking or feeling the body. After a while the rise plateaued and the restlessness subsided a bit.
The whole thing lasted about 3 hours. For the rest of the day I was jittery, like after drinking too much coffee. Also my mind was a bit foggy, like on a hangover or just after waking from deep sleep.
Seems like I’m very sensitive to shrooms. Felt like I had a mini trip. I’m glad I didn’t start with a larger dose.
BACKGROUND: I’ve struggled with depression, social/generalized anxiety and low self-esteem for most of my life. I smoked weed heavily in my late teens, early twenties. It was fun for a while but I had to stop due to severe anxiety and paranoia. I haven’t smoked any in 15 years. I always put on a front and don’t let anyone see any weakness or my true self, anything that could be viewed negatively against me. I’ve made progress through meditation but there are still big barriers to overcome. I think this microdose trip showed me that I have a very hard time letting go of control even when I’m by myself.
Maybe a larger dose would nudge me over the edge, but I could be up for a difficult ride if I can’t let go completely.
I’ll try another microdose next week but this time perhaps with a slightly smaller dose or eat it whole for a slower come up.
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WhoManBeing
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Clear your mind from any pre meditated thoughts and go into the experience to experience the experience. It is of light, a light experience at that.
.2g is of such a small dose so much placebo effect be playing in my mind if to consume such. What's wrong with spending the afternoon turned on by a full serving of the magic mushroom?
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: ShroominMoomin] 1
#23929672 - 12/15/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This makes no sense to me at all. It'd be like someone saying "I wanted to drink some wine, for health benefits, I did not want to feel any effect from it. So I lashed down what I thought was a small glass, got a bit drunk, puked up all over the place, had to lie down, got fuck all done that day. Next time I might try just slightly less, or maybe not drink the exact same amount so fast."
Never heard of anybody doing the lemon tek for microdosing.
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ShroominMoomin
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: blackout]
#23929692 - 12/15/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what would you suggest?
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WhoManBeing
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: blackout]
#23929705 - 12/15/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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blackout said: This makes no sense to me at all. It'd be like someone saying "I wanted to drink some wine, for health benefits, I did not want to feel any effect from it. So I lashed down what I thought was a small glass, got a bit drunk, puked up all over the place, had to lie down, got fuck all done that day. Next time I might try just slightly less, or maybe not drink the exact same amount so fast."
Never heard of anybody doing the lemon tek for microdosing.
Well said.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23929721 - 12/15/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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WhoManBeing said:
.2g is of such a small dose so much placebo effect be playing in my mind if to consume such.
I have a feeling placebo played a big role in what the OP experienced.
0.2g of cubensis is a very low dose...That is an actual micro-dose, the sort of dose people micro-dose with and then go to work or class and go about their day as usual since that dose is below the threshold, such a dose isn't going to produce any sort of trip or any sort of perceptible/pronounced effects . If you fed 0.2g of dry cubensis to a bunch of random people off the street with out telling them what it is that they took, I doubt any of them would feel a thing .
I certainly don't believe 0.2g is anywhere near enough to make one nauseated (not to mention if it was taken in a tea), or make one feel anxious and restless, or throw one into though loops like the OP mentioned. I'm not saying the OP didn't experience those things, but it was likely placebo playing a big role in all of that because a minuscule piece of a mushroom isn't going to catalyze such.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: openmind]
#23929763 - 12/15/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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openmind said:
I have a feeling placebo played a big role in what the OP experienced.
0.2g of cubensis is a very low dose...That is an actual micro-dose, the sort of dose people micro-dose with and then go to work or class and go about their day as usual since that dose is below the threshold, such a dose isn't going to produce any sort of trip or any sort of perceptible/pronounced effects . If you fed 0.2g of dry cubensis to a bunch of random people off the street with out telling them what it is that they took, I doubt any of them would feel a thing .
I certainly don't believe 0.2g is anywhere near enough to make one nauseated (not to mention if it was taken in a tea), or make one feel anxious and restless, or throw one into though loops like the OP mentioned. I'm not saying the OP didn't experience those things, but it was likely placebo playing a big role in all of that because a minuscule piece of a mushroom isn't going to catalyze such.
-OM
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From what I've read, people can have different sensitivities to the substance and there's variability in potency as well. It could be placebo too, I mean I was only expecting slight, barely noticeable effects but of course a new and exciting thing can play tricks on you.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: openmind]
#23929774 - 12/15/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShroominMoomin said:
I’ll try another microdose next week but this time perhaps with a slightly smaller dose or eat it whole for a slower come up.
Smaller!?... 
Taking 0.2g is already below the threshold, that's below the minimum dose that's needed to produce a "mild trip"...
I really do feel that what ever you experienced when you took that 0.2g wasn't from the mushroom, it was all placebo.
Micro-doses won't make a person trip, and so it doesn't produce a "come up" .
If you're looking to have an actual mild trip, I'd say start with 1.25g to 1.5g and go up from there (even 1.25g should be very mild, no visuals, mostly just a stoning effect/buzz in the body and a slight change in head space).
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: ShroominMoomin] 1
#23929800 - 12/15/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I once ate .2g and felt very anxious and restless for about 4 hours. Other times I've eaten similar amounts and felt great, other times barely felt anything at all. Maybe they were just potent shrooms or perhaps OP is just sensitive.
In my experience I feel like there's a threshold you have to cross and below that it can actually cause more anxiety, it's a weird half in half out kind of feeling. You don't feel enough to accept what is going on, nor do you get any real enjoyable effects either because it's so low, yet you just feel slightly off and your mind can stress out over it. Often times I feel anxiety when coming up on a normal sized dose, it's a common effect, and then when I peak or perhaps right after the peak I feel a great relief and get in the groove of things. With a small dose you never actually peak, it's like a come up and then nothing, you just get stressed but there is no release.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: openmind]
#23929818 - 12/15/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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openmind said:
Smaller!?... 
Taking 0.2g is already below the threshold, that's below the minimum dose that's needed to produce a "mild trip"...
I really do feel that what ever you experienced when you took that 0.2g wasn't from the mushroom, it was all placebo.
Micro-doses won't make a person trip, and so it doesn't produce a "come up" .
If you're looking to have an actual mild trip, I'd say start with 1.25g to 1.5g and go up from there (even 1.25g should be very mild, no visuals, mostly just a stoning effect/buzz in the body and a slight change in head space).
-OM
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Yea that's what all the resources said as well, 0.2 g is a low microdose. But I wouldn't count out that I have high sensitivity, reading on Erowid it seems to be a thing, although rare. If it's placebo, a few tries might shake it off when I get used to doing it.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: krypto2000]
#23929837 - 12/15/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I once ate .2g and felt very anxious and restless for about 4 hours. Other times I've eaten similar amounts and felt great, other times barely felt anything at all. Maybe they were just potent shrooms or perhaps OP is just sensitive.
In my experience I feel like there's a threshold you have to cross and below that it can actually cause more anxiety, it's a weird half in half out kind of feeling. You don't feel enough to accept what is going on, nor do you get any real enjoyable effects either because it's so low, yet you just feel slightly off and your mind can stress out over it. Often times I feel anxiety when coming up on a normal sized dose, it's a common effect, and then when I peak or perhaps right after the peak I feel a great relief and get in the groove of things. With a small dose you never actually peak, it's like a come up and then nothing, you just get stressed but there is no release.
Great to hear at least someone has had a similar experience.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: krypto2000]
#23929861 - 12/15/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I once ate .2g and felt very anxious and restless for about 4 hours. Other times I've eaten similar amounts and felt great, other times barely felt anything at all. Maybe they were just potent shrooms or perhaps OP is just sensitive.
Relatively potent mushrooms and a person being somewhat sensitive could be part of it ....but I still think some placebo and it being a "new and exciting thing" played a big part of what the OP experienced.
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In my experience I feel like there's a threshold you have to cross and below that it can actually cause more anxiety....
I feel the same way actually...but I won't get any sort of noticeable effects, or those strong enough to catalyze anxiety, from 0.2g . It's mostly dosages of around 1.5g to 2.5g of cubensis that can sometimes leave me in that weird anxious place. Anything below 1g isn't going to do much for me, I may feel a mild buzz around 0.75g to 1g but it won't produce psychedelic effects nor anxiety, and below that I don't think I'd feel a thing and I don't think most people would either....and I do feel that I'm rather sensitive to most psychedelics/herbs/drugs .
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Often times I feel anxiety when coming up on a normal sized dose, it's a common effect, and then when I peak or perhaps right after the peak I feel a great relief and get in the groove of things.....
Same here too....
I almost always get some anxiety and almost depressed feels during the come up, then once things peak & plateau out it's the absolute contrary of that...It's always right during or after the peak and I can feel it happen rather quickly, within 30 seconds to a minute or two I can feel the demeanor of the trip change and get into the groove & flow.
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Smaller doses just leave you with that horrid come up, jittery, anxiety feeling. Take a real dose and just go with the flow it will be a much better experience for you.
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ShroominMoomin said: So what would you suggest?
If you want to microdose again I would be taking 1/4 or at most 1/2 the last dose and certainly not doing it with lemon.
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ShroominMoomin said: Yea that's what all the resources said as well, 0.2 g is a low microdose.
Did any say to do the lemon tek with it. If you read up about it you will see people see significant increases in effect from it.
I have certainly experienced effects from what registered as 0.2g on my scales. Mine only goes in 0.1g increments and I know it displays less than it should. I was trying to microdose and was not doing lemon tek. I am pretty confident it was not placebo as I actually forgot I had taken it until it hit.
Many scales will show greater inaccuracies at low weights. To test your own you could weigh 10 individual things which are 0.2g, combine them all and weigh again and see how close it is to 2.0g. This should NOT be powders, it should be either mushrooms again or something which is like them, like little bits of stray or twigs. Many will weigh out small bits of mushroom and not powder, if you add powder until it just registers 0.2g then it will be close. if putting on random bits of shrooms it could have been near 0.25g.
I had complaints from 3 people about the strength of the batch I experience effects with just 0.2g. One guy only had 0.5g and said it was too much. The grains were consolidated for a long time which some have reported can create dramatic increases in potency.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: blackout]
#23930191 - 12/15/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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He said he made it with lemon falvoured green tea, not an actual lemon. I doubt there was any acid in the tea, it was probably just some lemon rind or some kind of flavoring.
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: blackout]
#23932507 - 12/16/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShroominMoomin said: So what would you suggest?
If you want to microdose again I would be taking 1/4 or at most 1/2 the last dose and certainly not doing it with lemon.
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ShroominMoomin said: Yea that's what all the resources said as well, 0.2 g is a low microdose.
Did any say to do the lemon tek with it. If you read up about it you will see people see significant increases in effect from it.
I have certainly experienced effects from what registered as 0.2g on my scales. Mine only goes in 0.1g increments and I know it displays less than it should. I was trying to microdose and was not doing lemon tek. I am pretty confident it was not placebo as I actually forgot I had taken it until it hit.
Many scales will show greater inaccuracies at low weights. To test your own you could weigh 10 individual things which are 0.2g, combine them all and weigh again and see how close it is to 2.0g. This should NOT be powders, it should be either mushrooms again or something which is like them, like little bits of stray or twigs. Many will weigh out small bits of mushroom and not powder, if you add powder until it just registers 0.2g then it will be close. if putting on random bits of shrooms it could have been near 0.25g.
I had complaints from 3 people about the strength of the batch I experience effects with just 0.2g. One guy only had 0.5g and said it was too much. The grains were consolidated for a long time which some have reported can create dramatic increases in potency.
No I don't think any said to do lemon tek, but regular tea seemed to be fine. My scale only has 0.1g increments too, so it could've been a bit over 0.2g.
If I next time eat mushroom bits instead of tea, would you suggest eating them on an empty stomach or with food?
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: krypto2000]
#23932510 - 12/16/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: He said he made it with lemon falvoured green tea, not an actual lemon. I doubt there was any acid in the tea, it was probably just some lemon rind or some kind of flavoring.
That is correct, only lemon flavour, not actual lemon. I'll try just eating the shroom bits next time for slower come up.
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def agree that .2 is a legit microdose, i feel as if i have a reverse tolerance nowadays to most psychedelics. trip on buddy
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Re: 1st mushroom experience, microdosing [Re: raulg45bdn]
#23932976 - 12/16/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The effects you will get with microdosing are very different from "effective", "high" or "heroic" doses.
Imo, anxiety and depression fall somewhere between de "effective" and "high" category.
However, good luck, please report back results with whatever path you take.
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i took .3 and had visuals of wavy shadows and a nice bodily high felt really good but i was a lot more functional that an average dose and was able to do more. Just felt super great !!
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