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What if you got a job offer at the DEA?
    #23929142 - 12/15/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What if you got a job offer at Monsanto? The DEA? The NSA? the CIA?

If you are a republican, what if you got an offer for a left wing fucktard?
If you are democratic, what if you got an offer for a right wing idiot like bill o'reilly?

If you are atheist, what if you got a job working for the pope?

Whatever degree/field you are in, what if you got a job offer than paid well but basically stood against a lot of what you believed in?
If you have no degree, what if you got a job in something that interested you but was against what you stand for?

I ask this because I am in my early twenties and basically am getting great receptivity from places that sort of stand against what I believe in. They pay better than the other places I am looking at. I may take the job but grudgingly do so

Right now, my main goal in life is;
1) earn as much as possible and save up. Start investing into assets and establish passive income
2) everything else is off secondary interest

I am hoping a better paying job comes up in something I actually like but right now I have little money to my name. Some money. I am not broke. But definitely a noticeable difference in salary

It feels like I am whoring myself out to "the man" for better pay. I don't like that. Thoughts?

EDIT: I would most likely be taking drug tests regularly for this. I don't like that aspect either. I plan on rolling 3-5 times a year and tripping 5-10 times a year for the foreseeable future. I am saving up for some MXE and maybe ket. Those are the only drugs I use somewhat regularly


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82] * 5
    #23929291 - 12/15/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The DEA is everything wrong with this country its the last remaining force of government oppression since the times when we had jim crow laws. America is said to be a land of freedom or the land of the free but since Richard Nixon this has not been true. I find it sad that our country claims to be about freedom but at the same time has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

The United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's total population yet it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of what our country has become when they found america they founded it with intent for freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. The drug laws are direct violations of this idea that we can be free from retarded idiots who push thier ideas as "right" the kind of people who say you must obey my ideas on what's right and wrong or face jail. Our founding fathers would be ashamed at the current state of our country. The DEA is somewhat like the KKK they just want to scare people into obeying their retarded policies. If the DEA at all cared about this country, freedom, and public health they would end prohibition. The DEA has been doing the same thing over and over since it got started and drug use has been on the rise not the down fall. Its insanity to think it will ever acomplish anything
"The war is being waged by a large number of unrelated interests, by millions of people, and it is being fought largely within the United States. It is the first full-scale instance of American citizens fighting American citizens in a battle fought on domestic soil in over a century. The last conflict of this size was the 1861 Civil War, or the War between the States, which consumed our energies and wealth, and destroyed so many of our youth in that four year period. But our present war has been underway now for well over a decade, and there is no victory in sight. The intensity and costs have been continuously increasing, and the suffering and damage from it is without precedent." Alexander Shulgin, TiHKAL


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23929300 - 12/15/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just do what you have to do til you can do what you want to do. I'm going into health care and can't wait to reverse the damage people have done to themselves including the damage I've done by working jobs that don't respects man and earth. Namely the food industry.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Shiithead]
    #23929620 - 12/15/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would only bust stupid people honestly
people that didn't stop dealing when something bad happened


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Konyap]
    #23929663 - 12/15/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on the specifics of the job.  Usually though, they'll only pay marginally better than other, similar positions.  So if I were against it, no.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: badchad]
    #23930363 - 12/15/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23930366 - 12/15/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would take the money and do secret government shit.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82] * 2
    #23930378 - 12/15/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would't take a job which contradicted my values, its bad enough to feel indifferent about work and you can make money without becoming a hypocrite


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23930691 - 12/15/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

topdog82 said:
What if you got a job offer at Monsanto? The DEA? The NSA? the CIA?

If you are a republican, what if you got an offer for a left wing fucktard?
If you are democratic, what if you got an offer for a right wing idiot like bill o'reilly?

If you are atheist, what if you got a job working for the pope?

Whatever degree/field you are in, what if you got a job offer than paid well but basically stood against a lot of what you believed in?
If you have no degree, what if you got a job in something that interested you but was against what you stand for?

I ask this because I am in my early twenties and basically am getting great receptivity from places that sort of stand against what I believe in. They pay better than the other places I am looking at. I may take the job but grudgingly do so

Right now, my main goal in life is;
1) earn as much as possible and save up. Start investing into assets and establish passive income
2) everything else is off secondary interest

I am hoping a better paying job comes up in something I actually like but right now I have little money to my name. Some money. I am not broke. But definitely a noticeable difference in salary

It feels like I am whoring myself out to "the man" for better pay. I don't like that. Thoughts?

EDIT: I would most likely be taking drug tests regularly for this. I don't like that aspect either. I plan on rolling 3-5 times a year and tripping 5-10 times a year for the foreseeable future. I am saving up for some MXE and maybe ket. Those are the only drugs I use somewhat regularly




I wouldnt work for the DEA for a million dollars a year...

All of those other things, possibly, if they pay really good.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #23932337 - 12/16/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I got busy with work and applying to new places

I think people got caught up in the thread title

What I was asking was more along the lines of;
would you take up a job that contradicted your values slightly? And to what degree would it have to be against what you believed in for you to say "fuck that!"

I wouldn't do the DEA, but I am getting a nicely paid and a relocation pay to move to a suburb for a govt job. I don't like the idea of working for the govt and I don't like the idea of taking drug tests all the time. I like my area and I like drugs lol. If they took a hair sample they would find opium, vicodin, codeine, coke, acid, molly, and weed. Luckily they only did urine sample. But signing up for this would basically mean buying one of those big plastic dicks that people use for drug tests


I hate that idea to begin with


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23932380 - 12/16/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you're federal, it should say the requirements on the USAjobs website.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: badchad]
    #23962295 - 12/28/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I want my fucking money now.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23962308 - 12/28/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would Snowden them.

The most damage is done from the inside.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #23962315 - 12/28/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck the DEA and fuck the police :fuckthepolice:

I wouldnt work for them for a billion a year, cause i know deep down its againist my beliefs.

that being said, it would be pretty cool working for the CIA or FBI. They deal with some more interesting cases and I *might* have a shot at seeing some aliens at Area 51 or learning some hidden secrets about the US government or other govs and whatnot.

but being a city cop? nah fuck that.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23962430 - 12/28/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

topdog82 said:
What if you got a job offer at Monsanto? The DEA? The NSA? the CIA?

If you are a republican, what if you got an offer for a left wing fucktard?
If you are democratic, what if you got an offer for a right wing idiot like bill o'reilly?

If you are atheist, what if you got a job working for the pope?

Whatever degree/field you are in, what if you got a job offer than paid well but basically stood against a lot of what you believed in?
If you have no degree, what if you got a job in something that interested you but was against what you stand for?

I ask this because I am in my early twenties and basically am getting great receptivity from places that sort of stand against what I believe in. They pay better than the other places I am looking at. I may take the job but grudgingly do so





People talk in hypotheticals like this, but this is actually a reality. All those hippies in the 1960's that protested that were all about anti-capitalism and everything ended up becoming attorneys and financial advisors.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23962638 - 12/28/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

topdog82 said:
What if you got a job offer at Monsanto? The DEA? The NSA? the CIA?

If you are a republican, what if you got an offer for a left wing fucktard?
If you are democratic, what if you got an offer for a right wing idiot like bill o'reilly?

If you are atheist, what if you got a job working for the pope?

Whatever degree/field you are in, what if you got a job offer than paid well but basically stood against a lot of what you believed in?
If you have no degree, what if you got a job in something that interested you but was against what you stand for?

I ask this because I am in my early twenties and basically am getting great receptivity from places that sort of stand against what I believe in. They pay better than the other places I am looking at. I may take the job but grudgingly do so





People talk in hypotheticals like this, but this is actually a reality. All those hippies in the 1960's that protested that were all about anti-capitalism and everything ended up becoming attorneys and financial advisors.



financial advisors? I see nothing wrong with being a lawyer. Or a financial advisor? I am curious as to how you see these as unethical?

Ie  I semi see drug dealing as unethical for example. It CAN be unethical if you are pressuring women to give you head for crack/coke/heroin/meth. but as long as you aren't taking advantage of your customers its perfectly fine


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23962652 - 12/28/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'll work for the DEA. I don't care. Money is money. The DEA isn't to blame. The laws are. I'll take that guaranteed government cash anytime.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23962722 - 12/28/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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financial advisors? I see nothing wrong with being a lawyer. Or a financial advisor? I am curious as to how you see these as unethical?




Because a lot of those hippies were part of the anti-capitalist movement, remember? Working in finance making profit for the top 1% of institutions is supposed to be against the very core idea of anti-capitalism.

Also if you're a corporate attorney or a litigation attorney making money off suing people, then you're basically a sellout, aren't you?


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Patlal]
    #23962738 - 12/28/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I work at a place that is somewhat against my beliefs, including piss testing.  I take their money and give them a half assed effort.  They seem to love me because I am not retarded.  Basically I do very little, but occasionally figure out something nobody else thought about and therefore must be a genius.  I'd tell them that it might be because I have an open mind in part due to certain drugs, but I can't so I just play up the smart guy thing and take my money.

I also kind of feel bad about even participatin in human society or paying taxes.  By doing anything at all I seem to be supporting the kind of things that enslave people and destroy our planet.

I'd love to live according to my principles but I have this body thing.  Because I have a body I have physical needs, like food and health insurance.  It's crazy I know, but living through an animal I kind of have to take care if it.  Plus, limited resources and all that.  Only so much to go around, so you have to compete economically if you want to do anything at all.

Basically I am a whore, but it isn't my fault.  I blame God for making the game like this.  In many case you have very little choice.  You have to participate somehow, or you have nothing.

I mean in our culture we sell this idea of having choices and doing something we believe in. Yet if you look at most other times or places in human history you can see that the concept isn't universal.  In North Korea or the middle ages they wouldn't even ask this kind of question.  Born a peasant, always a peasant, unless the local lords needs something in which case you don't dare say, "no."

Basically I'm saying that almost every human being who has ever lived has had to do whatever was necessary to survive.  Selling out and sucking the dick of whomever controls the resources is a part of being a human being.  Very few people could say the never had to.  So it is a problem with the system and not any kind of personal failing on our part.

Like I said, I blame god for putting us in a situation where often the only way to a decent life is by violating our principles.  You can't fault people for actually wanting to live and do things, can you?


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Patlal]
    #23963104 - 12/28/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll work for the DEA. I don't care. Money is money. The DEA isn't to blame. The laws are. I'll take that guaranteed government cash anytime.




Since u dont do illegal drugs, this actually makes sense.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23963187 - 12/28/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
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Patlal said:
I'll work for the DEA. I don't care. Money is money. The DEA isn't to blame. The laws are. I'll take that guaranteed government cash anytime.




Since u dont do illegal drugs, this actually makes sense.




Who said I dont do illegal drugs?


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Patlal]
    #23963198 - 12/28/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If I were offered a job at the DEA I would accept it...

Only because I know I would fail there drug tests.  :trollhide:


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23963202 - 12/28/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Patlal]
    #23963207 - 12/28/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

lol no fuckin way.


I will gladly sacrifice a pay cut if it means working at a place I actually like working at doing things that are meaningful to me.


I don't need to get rich, I need to able to live comfortably and make sure I can take care of my shit financially.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23963617 - 12/28/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not too sure it was God who "made it this way"..

If I build you a car and hand over the keys it's you who are responsible for how you drive it and maintain it over time..


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Amanita86]
    #23963798 - 12/28/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i have quit jobs that i ethically disagree with before and would do it again. my industry is very easy come easy go, as long as you are competent and not a complete idiot it is very easy to get a job and income that is survivable on.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23963968 - 12/28/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The DEA could use me like this...
If I was offered that job I would accept it in a heartbeat.


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Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.:callingbullshit:


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Wu-tang]
    #23964517 - 12/29/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hell no i wont go!


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: alfonseelrick]
    #23964541 - 12/29/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The DEA I feel was created to keep competition for pharmaceuticals off the streets and to help incarcerate more people. I have been a government employee several times and it always sucks balls ahaha. I wish I knew about DMT when I was being piss tested regularly.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23968123 - 12/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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financial advisors? I see nothing wrong with being a lawyer. Or a financial advisor? I am curious as to how you see these as unethical?




Because a lot of those hippies were part of the anti-capitalist movement, remember? Working in finance making profit for the top 1% of institutions is supposed to be against the very core idea of anti-capitalism.

Also if you're a corporate attorney or a litigation attorney making money off suing people, then you're basically a sellout, aren't you?



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I work at a place that is somewhat against my beliefs, including piss testing.  I take their money and give them a half assed effort.  They seem to love me because I am not retarded.  Basically I do very little, but occasionally figure out something nobody else thought about and therefore must be a genius.  I'd tell them that it might be because I have an open mind in part due to certain drugs, but I can't so I just play up the smart guy thing and take my money.

I also kind of feel bad about even participatin in human society or paying taxes.  By doing anything at all I seem to be supporting the kind of things that enslave people and destroy our planet.

I'd love to live according to my principles but I have this body thing.  Because I have a body I have physical needs, like food and health insurance.  It's crazy I know, but living through an animal I kind of have to take care if it.  Plus, limited resources and all that.  Only so much to go around, so you have to compete economically if you want to do anything at all.

Basically I am a whore, but it isn't my fault.  I blame God for making the game like this.  In many case you have very little choice.  You have to participate somehow, or you have nothing.

I mean in our culture we sell this idea of having choices and doing something we believe in. Yet if you look at most other times or places in human history you can see that the concept isn't universal.  In North Korea or the middle ages they wouldn't even ask this kind of question.  Born a peasant, always a peasant, unless the local lords needs something in which case you don't dare say, "no."

Basically I'm saying that almost every human being who has ever lived has had to do whatever was necessary to survive.  Selling out and sucking the dick of whomever controls the resources is a part of being a human being.  Very few people could say the never had to.  So it is a problem with the system and not any kind of personal failing on our part.

Like I said, I blame god for putting us in a situation where often the only way to a decent life is by violating our principles.  You can't fault people for actually wanting to live and do things, can you?



CrystalG; I guess I never really saw it like that. But both of these posts kind of answered the question. I gotta comprimise my ethics as little as possible but obviously my job comes first

To be clear, I would having to get fairly high clearance and I passed the drug tests and background checks. I have 0 criminal record or any reason to be a rebellious dick

I just have a huge hunch they would monitor me and my activity. not comfy about that at all


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23968126 - 12/30/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Be careful OP your looking to sell something you could never buy back.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: liloldme]
    #23968127 - 12/30/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.



This is my attitude right now. but if I cant get a more prestigious job offer in the next 9 months, then I am screwed completely. So the clock is ticking
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lol no fuckin way.


I will gladly sacrifice a pay cut if it means working at a place I actually like working at doing things that are meaningful to me.


I don't need to get rich, I need to able to live comfortably and make sure I can take care of my shit financially.



The thing is, I am using this current job as a backup plan. this attitude sounds great in theory but I have a tiny amount of cash in the bank saved. enough to get on my feet. but not enough to turn down this job on principal
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The DEA I feel was created to keep competition for pharmaceuticals off the streets and to help incarcerate more people. I have been a government employee several times and it always sucks balls ahaha. I wish I knew about DMT when I was being piss tested regularly.



which companies did you work for? If you aren't comfortable sharing that, could I message you about this?

How often did you get piss tested? I mean I trip fairly frequently and I would hate to give that up. I could just switch to completely to heavy DMT use


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23968152 - 12/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.




this attitude sounds great in theory but I have a tiny amount of cash in the bank saved. enough to get on my feet. but not enough to turn down this job on principal




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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23968498 - 12/30/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CrystalG; I guess I never really saw it like that. But both of these posts kind of answered the question. I gotta comprimise my ethics as little as possible but obviously my job comes first

To be clear, I would having to get fairly high clearance and I passed the drug tests and background checks. I have 0 criminal record or any reason to be a rebellious dick

I just have a huge hunch they would monitor me and my activity. not comfy about that at all




For the record; to work for the DEA they won't just do a drug test and a standard background check. They will do an extensive and detailed background check to give you security clearance.

My S/O's family member works for the DEA, but he isn't even an agent. He's just a court transcriber for them. And for his background check, they even called people that he went to elementary school with! To ask what kind of person he is, what kind of history he has, etc.

Apparently this boy that he went to grade school with found him on Facebook and messaged him randomly out of the blue, to say, "Hey, you know the DEA called me asking about you?" They hadn't even spoken in over 20 years.

It's funny because what could the memory of an elementary school kid possibly say about somebody? Like "Ummmm yeah I remember Billy used to eat crayons... the blue one was his favorite..." :lol:

Like dude what the fuck... that's some serious background investigation. All it takes is for one person to say, "Um yeah, he used to smoke weed in high school" or some dumb shit for it to backfire on you.

Then of course, there's the polygraph exam that you have to take...


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23968548 - 12/30/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It depends on what you're doing in the DEA.  For example, the scientific positions aren't as rigorous, they'll do a drug test and basic background check, but that's normal for most of the federal government.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: badchad]
    #23968753 - 12/30/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think people misread the original post. I am not working for the DEA. that was just the original what if question. I am working for a government contractor. The issue here being that I am somewhat opposed to the work these guys do and I am also sort of an anti-authoritarian lol

And lmao I don't think they care if you did drugs. I think they care if you currently take drugs on a regular basis


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
    #23968807 - 12/30/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh. If it's for a contractor position, then it's probably for a private company that is simply contracted with the government, and therefore if that's the case the background investigation will be pretty minimal.


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: badchad]
    #23968814 - 12/30/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It depends on what you're doing in the DEA.  For example, the scientific positions aren't as rigorous, they'll do a drug test and basic background check, but that's normal for most of the federal government.




And exactly why would a court transcriber for the DEA need to have a perfectly immaculate and clean record?


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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23969039 - 12/30/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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And exactly why would a court transcriber for the DEA need to have a perfectly immaculate and clean record?




Because they may find themselves in a highly contentious court case, with access to highly confidential information (Since they'll need to transcribe it).

The janitors at DEA probably require a lower security clearance level. In the end, its a matter of perspective of how intrusive a background investigation is.  A basic "public trust" federal position requires fingerprinting, divulging financial records, an in-person interview, and references.  Is a yearly polygraph and drug testing that much more?  Perhaps...


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    #23969052 - 12/30/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know a lady that had a couple living in her neighborhood that were getting involved in some kind of something and part of their check was having their neighbors interviewed.  "They" just went around the neighborhood asking people what they thought of the couple..  I thought that was rather 'thorough'..


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    #23969351 - 12/30/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.



This is my attitude right now. but if I cant get a more prestigious job offer in the next 9 months, then I am screwed completely. So the clock is ticking
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lol no fuckin way.


I will gladly sacrifice a pay cut if it means working at a place I actually like working at doing things that are meaningful to me.


I don't need to get rich, I need to able to live comfortably and make sure I can take care of my shit financially.



The thing is, I am using this current job as a backup plan. this attitude sounds great in theory but I have a tiny amount of cash in the bank saved. enough to get on my feet. but not enough to turn down this job on principal







Dude, you do what you need to in order to make a living.


I am fortunate enough that I don't have to worry about such a thing right now - however, my job title at a different company would be making more than I do currently - I work in the nonprofit industry and even though my company is very different from many other non-profits and my wage is competitive and livable - I could be making more at a different company - the other benefits of the job and just the opportunity to be apart of a company that is growing exponentially while it's still in the early stages, the meaningful nature of my work...it all is worth the pay cut.

In 5 years, perhaps I'll revisit it, but at the moment I am entirely happy with the job and am okay with the fact that I'm making 15k under what I could be right now. Not everyone has this luxury, not everyone has the luxury of not having to provide for anyone other than themselves. My attitude will ALWAYS default to 'we do what we have to'. I'm just lucky and I answered the question with that perspective.


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    #23976158 - 01/02/17 01:19 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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In 5 years, perhaps I'll revisit it, but at the moment I am entirely happy with the job and am okay with the fact that I'm making 15k under what I could be right now. Not everyone has this luxury, not everyone has the luxury of not having to provide for anyone other than themselves. My attitude will ALWAYS default to 'we do what we have to'. I'm just lucky and I answered the question with that perspective.



I mean ya. This job sets me up for grad school, my next job, etc.

It is what it is. I will just have to move on with life and take it. I am given fairly ethical work. I have a clean criminal history. I don't smoke weed and the only drugs I still use clear your system in a day or two and have no addictive potential


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    #23976176 - 01/02/17 01:25 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I'd do the same thing I did the first time.


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