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Patlal
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23963187 - 12/28/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: I'll work for the DEA. I don't care. Money is money. The DEA isn't to blame. The laws are. I'll take that guaranteed government cash anytime.
Since u dont do illegal drugs, this actually makes sense.
Who said I dont do illegal drugs?
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Patlal]
#23963198 - 12/28/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I were offered a job at the DEA I would accept it...
Only because I know I would fail there drug tests. 
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Chakra Shock
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
#23963202 - 12/28/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Patlal]
#23963207 - 12/28/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol no fuckin way.
I will gladly sacrifice a pay cut if it means working at a place I actually like working at doing things that are meaningful to me.
I don't need to get rich, I need to able to live comfortably and make sure I can take care of my shit financially.
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23963617 - 12/28/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not too sure it was God who "made it this way"..
If I build you a car and hand over the keys it's you who are responsible for how you drive it and maintain it over time..
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Amanita86]
#23963798 - 12/28/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have quit jobs that i ethically disagree with before and would do it again. my industry is very easy come easy go, as long as you are competent and not a complete idiot it is very easy to get a job and income that is survivable on.
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The DEA could use me like this... If I was offered that job I would accept it in a heartbeat.
-------------------- 400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe. Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Wu-tang]
#23964517 - 12/29/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hell no i wont go!
-------------------- Im just a fictional character everything stated by me is purely fictional and simply lies, those who like me are liars who where bribed or blackmailed in some way Muahahaha
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liloldme
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: alfonseelrick]
#23964541 - 12/29/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The DEA I feel was created to keep competition for pharmaceuticals off the streets and to help incarcerate more people. I have been a government employee several times and it always sucks balls ahaha. I wish I knew about DMT when I was being piss tested regularly.
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topdog82
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23968123 - 12/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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topdog82 said: financial advisors? I see nothing wrong with being a lawyer. Or a financial advisor? I am curious as to how you see these as unethical?
Because a lot of those hippies were part of the anti-capitalist movement, remember? Working in finance making profit for the top 1% of institutions is supposed to be against the very core idea of anti-capitalism.
Also if you're a corporate attorney or a litigation attorney making money off suing people, then you're basically a sellout, aren't you?
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AllGreyThumbs said: I work at a place that is somewhat against my beliefs, including piss testing. I take their money and give them a half assed effort. They seem to love me because I am not retarded. Basically I do very little, but occasionally figure out something nobody else thought about and therefore must be a genius. I'd tell them that it might be because I have an open mind in part due to certain drugs, but I can't so I just play up the smart guy thing and take my money.
I also kind of feel bad about even participatin in human society or paying taxes. By doing anything at all I seem to be supporting the kind of things that enslave people and destroy our planet.
I'd love to live according to my principles but I have this body thing. Because I have a body I have physical needs, like food and health insurance. It's crazy I know, but living through an animal I kind of have to take care if it. Plus, limited resources and all that. Only so much to go around, so you have to compete economically if you want to do anything at all.
Basically I am a whore, but it isn't my fault. I blame God for making the game like this. In many case you have very little choice. You have to participate somehow, or you have nothing.
I mean in our culture we sell this idea of having choices and doing something we believe in. Yet if you look at most other times or places in human history you can see that the concept isn't universal. In North Korea or the middle ages they wouldn't even ask this kind of question. Born a peasant, always a peasant, unless the local lords needs something in which case you don't dare say, "no."
Basically I'm saying that almost every human being who has ever lived has had to do whatever was necessary to survive. Selling out and sucking the dick of whomever controls the resources is a part of being a human being. Very few people could say the never had to. So it is a problem with the system and not any kind of personal failing on our part.
Like I said, I blame god for putting us in a situation where often the only way to a decent life is by violating our principles. You can't fault people for actually wanting to live and do things, can you?
CrystalG; I guess I never really saw it like that. But both of these posts kind of answered the question. I gotta comprimise my ethics as little as possible but obviously my job comes first
To be clear, I would having to get fairly high clearance and I passed the drug tests and background checks. I have 0 criminal record or any reason to be a rebellious dick
I just have a huge hunch they would monitor me and my activity. not comfy about that at all
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
#23968126 - 12/30/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Be careful OP your looking to sell something you could never buy back.
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topdog82
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: liloldme]
#23968127 - 12/30/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chakra Shock said: How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.
This is my attitude right now. but if I cant get a more prestigious job offer in the next 9 months, then I am screwed completely. So the clock is ticking
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pirate-blues said: lol no fuckin way.
I will gladly sacrifice a pay cut if it means working at a place I actually like working at doing things that are meaningful to me.
I don't need to get rich, I need to able to live comfortably and make sure I can take care of my shit financially.
The thing is, I am using this current job as a backup plan. this attitude sounds great in theory but I have a tiny amount of cash in the bank saved. enough to get on my feet. but not enough to turn down this job on principal
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liloldme said: The DEA I feel was created to keep competition for pharmaceuticals off the streets and to help incarcerate more people. I have been a government employee several times and it always sucks balls ahaha. I wish I knew about DMT when I was being piss tested regularly.
which companies did you work for? If you aren't comfortable sharing that, could I message you about this?
How often did you get piss tested? I mean I trip fairly frequently and I would hate to give that up. I could just switch to completely to heavy DMT use
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
#23968152 - 12/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chakra Shock said: How has only one person even mentioned that ethics and values are more important than working a job which is strictly against your beliefs? Fuck that, man. Do what you love, no matter what.
this attitude sounds great in theory but I have a tiny amount of cash in the bank saved. enough to get on my feet. but not enough to turn down this job on principal
Then you have no principles, they dont come with a price tag. No one is flaying your skin or holding your daughters ransom.
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
#23968498 - 12/30/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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topdog82 said: CrystalG; I guess I never really saw it like that. But both of these posts kind of answered the question. I gotta comprimise my ethics as little as possible but obviously my job comes first
To be clear, I would having to get fairly high clearance and I passed the drug tests and background checks. I have 0 criminal record or any reason to be a rebellious dick
I just have a huge hunch they would monitor me and my activity. not comfy about that at all
For the record; to work for the DEA they won't just do a drug test and a standard background check. They will do an extensive and detailed background check to give you security clearance.
My S/O's family member works for the DEA, but he isn't even an agent. He's just a court transcriber for them. And for his background check, they even called people that he went to elementary school with! To ask what kind of person he is, what kind of history he has, etc.
Apparently this boy that he went to grade school with found him on Facebook and messaged him randomly out of the blue, to say, "Hey, you know the DEA called me asking about you?" They hadn't even spoken in over 20 years.
It's funny because what could the memory of an elementary school kid possibly say about somebody? Like "Ummmm yeah I remember Billy used to eat crayons... the blue one was his favorite..."
Like dude what the fuck... that's some serious background investigation. All it takes is for one person to say, "Um yeah, he used to smoke weed in high school" or some dumb shit for it to backfire on you.
Then of course, there's the polygraph exam that you have to take...
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badchad
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Crystal G]
#23968548 - 12/30/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It depends on what you're doing in the DEA. For example, the scientific positions aren't as rigorous, they'll do a drug test and basic background check, but that's normal for most of the federal government.
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: badchad]
#23968753 - 12/30/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think people misread the original post. I am not working for the DEA. that was just the original what if question. I am working for a government contractor. The issue here being that I am somewhat opposed to the work these guys do and I am also sort of an anti-authoritarian lol
And lmao I don't think they care if you did drugs. I think they care if you currently take drugs on a regular basis
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: topdog82]
#23968807 - 12/30/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh. If it's for a contractor position, then it's probably for a private company that is simply contracted with the government, and therefore if that's the case the background investigation will be pretty minimal.
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Crystal G



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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: badchad]
#23968814 - 12/30/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: It depends on what you're doing in the DEA. For example, the scientific positions aren't as rigorous, they'll do a drug test and basic background check, but that's normal for most of the federal government.
And exactly why would a court transcriber for the DEA need to have a perfectly immaculate and clean record?
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badchad
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Crystal G]
#23969039 - 12/30/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said:
And exactly why would a court transcriber for the DEA need to have a perfectly immaculate and clean record?
Because they may find themselves in a highly contentious court case, with access to highly confidential information (Since they'll need to transcribe it).
The janitors at DEA probably require a lower security clearance level. In the end, its a matter of perspective of how intrusive a background investigation is. A basic "public trust" federal position requires fingerprinting, divulging financial records, an in-person interview, and references. Is a yearly polygraph and drug testing that much more? Perhaps...
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Re: What if you got a job offer at the DEA? [Re: Crystal G]
#23969052 - 12/30/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know a lady that had a couple living in her neighborhood that were getting involved in some kind of something and part of their check was having their neighbors interviewed. "They" just went around the neighborhood asking people what they thought of the couple.. I thought that was rather 'thorough'..
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