My experience with morning glory seeds. Its a bit lengthy because I see a ton of misinformation about these seeds. They DO work, but cold water extraction isnt as easy as some would have you believe(probably because of chemicals found in tap water).
I have been craving a real psychadelic experience for quite some time. I wanted magic mushrooms but it wasnt until recently that I knew how to acquire them safely. In my time I tried a low dosage of amanita muscaria with a minor effect.
As time went on I eventually purchased MGS (heavenly blue, no coating confirmed. iamshaman.com) I tried cold water extraction 3 times with 500 seeds every time. I only got a mild euphoria out of this once. Every other time it was as if I never did anything. So one day I said, screw it, I'm doing it the old fashioned way. What an interesting experience it turned out to be! So I grinded about 250 with my teeth (and began to DESPISE how they taste... At first it was fine and kind of "good") and the other 250 I grinded in a coffee grinder and mixed it with some water and chugged it (because the flavor was just too awful to deal with) on an empty stomach as soon as I woke up
The come up was... well... Pretty awful(think about all the bad stories of nausea and then pretend people are down playing it and you'll be about half way to the truth). I really questioned what the fuck I just did. I didn't have any psychadelic feelings, I just wanted to puke for a while but I always had a phobia of it, so I wouldnt let myself. After about 20 minutes I got up and threw the left over seeds I had away.
Eventually I started feeling weak and couldn't keep my balance. This is how I am when I'm drunk too (I don't drink very often because of it). At about the 40-60 minute mark I finally said phobia or no phobia, I'm puking (this phobia no longer exists now lol) and the psychadelic experience began. My oh my. It made it all worth it.
After vomiting I no longer felt nausea but I couldn't walk around without losing my balance, so I laid down and INTENSE euphoria kicked it. I have never felt this happy in my entire existence. I was playing with my blanket and if I had light shine through it, it felt like I was looking into space or another dimension. Everything was so beautiful. Life was great. Music was so much more intense than it ever was. Marijuana does this too, but not like this. Oh boy, not like this at all. Music felt like it was 4 dimensional. I can't explain it any better than that. It felt other worldly, every note felt like its own masterpiece of a song.
Eventually the intense euphoria stopped and I became mostly neutral/slightly in a good mood. I started getting hungry and was going to walk to the store(and probably fall over in the process). But I started laughing my ass off because there's no way I wouldn't start thinking out loud and someone would definitely think I was talking to a wall, and I'd end up in a nut house. So I made potatos in the microwave and couldn't eat them because they were too dry (pineapple would work perfectly for a MGS trip IMO). I started thinking about nature and plant intelligence. I felt like the potato was trying to tell me it feels pain as well as animals, but it sort of understands why people dont eat animals. I know this sounds crazy. I also felt like the seeds I ate really didnt want to be eaten because they are seeds and its like killing a child. Yup, Im aware of how ridiculous this sounds. This is why I didn't try to leave my apartment haha
While I was cutting the potatos I thought about how people commit suicide (I was not feeling suicidal, but I was simply feeling phiosophical). I thought, life is sort of like endless suffering. Why do people deal with it? The thought came to mind that you sort of have to make life the way you want it, and if a person kills themself, they're just going to be reborn and have to learn the same lessons over again from scratch.
I started noting how strange this substance is, and how strange everything is. I started thinking about logic and how bizarre it is, and how true and false are sort of meaningless. True can be false or true(in mathematics the statement "True or False" equals true, and if you look at the statement True Or False, true can be infinite recursion showing True or False no matter how many levels deep you go. False can be true in a weird way by the statment False And True. Same recursion applies) Around this time I started going into another state of mind. A spiritual one. This was not a light dose. I started repeating the words "we're not quite there yet... I want it..." over and over. I may have repeated this for upwards of 1.5 hrs to 2 while laying down or on my knees. I started staring into nothing and making very strange hand gestures and faces. I would get up and pace, almost menacingly while repeating this mantra.
I asked myself why suffering exists, and why anything exists in the universe. The mantra keeps being said from time to time. Eventually I visualize the universe. I refer to it as "The All" (just like in hermetics) and the All is perfect. It has everything that is phyical, every abstract concept etc. All things exist here as one, perfectly. Since "The All" is literally everything that could ever possibly exist, one of the things that exists is suffering / misunderstanding. This is where the physical universe we live in exists. It is jealous of the rest of the all, and assumes it can figure out everything on its own. So it starts by saying "We're not quite there yet" this forces the misunderstanding morph into something new because the old way didn't match the all, and then it convinces its self that this new form is actually everything the all is in a bout of ego driven pride that eventually collapses, because it isnt true. At any given moment, the misunderstanding does in fact find bits and pieces of the all, but it never has "all" of it. So "We're not quite there yet(The feeling of not being good enough), I want it(the feeling of demanding what you want, and living with an illusion as a means to having it)." In my mind this explained biological evolution and the formation of the physical universe (star formation and destruction, planet formation and destruction etc). It represented life and death as an endless cycle.
It eventually became personal. "We're not quite there yet", on a personal level represented running away from something, or rejecting something in life. "I want it" represented the false self. The ego driven expectations that one has for themselves. In my mind they were refered to as demons(not necessarily evil, hard to explain unless you study older religions). I started to realize I'm running away from my own life and that I am being sort of egotistical, and that I feel like I am too good to be around most people I know (though I didn't realize this until the trip). But I also started to feel that life sort of became meaningless. I began to feel like maybe a lie is worth living(I want it). Even if things arent perfect in my life I'd rather attach myself to a lie than keep running away from everything and feeling empty. I was starting to get scared but sort of nihilistic thoughts, but it went away after a while and became more of a self-acceptance sort of thing and I tried to find a balance between rejecting certain things in life, and accepting them instead of always rejecting everything like I currently do. I went into a state of mind of thinking about everything in terms of pure recursion (or fractal thinking, if you prefer) and I wondered if "the all" was even real or if it just represented the feeling of ego driven desire to attach oneself to an illusion. Its impossible to know, but everything about life felt infinite in this time. Every thought can be endlessly explored, and can result in one asking the same question over and over(infinite regress is one such example). I was thinking about what it would be like to simply accept things for what they are. This train of thought was explored because it was merely the opposite of how I live my life, it represents a person who blindly accepts everything life gives them, and assumes that it is always true. This was seen as equally bad and can lead to being dominated in life. The middle path was truly shown to me at this time. It made it seem like there are only 3 things in life. You, a rejection of the thing you experience at this time, and acceptance of the thing you experience at this time. A nuanced approach to acceptance/rejection will lead to a happier life.
The slow comedown started here. I was getting very obvious visuals, waviness was there. I started to feel like vomiting again, but I couldnt even though I tried. After a while I started getting scared thinking that I was never going to get sober again. but I was reminded of videos by psychedsubstance and neurosoup that this sort of feeling can happen. So I calmed myself down and reminded myself that the trip WILL end eventually. I eventually vomitted after a few more hours and then I felt mostly normal but still under its influence slightly. I went to bed then I woke up and felt weak. Definitely a hang over, but also because I didnt eat anything at all the day prior. So I went outside, and it was the first time it snowed here this year. It was really beautiful, and I was very happily walking to the store to buy the fruit I craved so much the day before. I probably bought $50 worth of fruit (it was a glorious feast!). The trip lasted a good 12-13 hours and the hang over lasted about 2 days. This is not to be taken lightly. It made me a happier person. A lot of growth happened here. But I dont think I'll ever use this substance again because I really dont think these seeds "want" to be eaten. This just basically means the nausea was too much and at times I felt like I was literally crazy. Too much of the experience cannot be put in words. It was beyond weird (but amazing) but I tried my best here.
TLDR:
Cold water extraction didnt work for me, gave up and ate them (seeds were not treated with that coating that is found at many stores) Very few visuals Huge euphoria at first, music becomes amazing (better than weed) Deep thoughts regarding the nature of the universe, for me it was similar to gnosticism (didnt know that at the time) Lasts all day Vomiting and nausea is overwhelming. Hard to walk or keep balance Fractal/infinite thinking 2 day hangover, next day didnt have enough energy or strength to be very active.
Not for the faint at heart. Ive heard native americans thought the nausea and such was part of the experience to keep the weak out of the spirit realm. Makes sense to me. If you want to try it, take friday off work, and prepare to recover sat-sun
Edited by Hyper (01/10/17 10:00 PM)
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