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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23927483 - 12/14/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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America has the highest tax rate in the world, but don't let facts get in the way of your little fantasy





I'm sorry, but that's just complete and utter bullshit. 


1.  Aruba  58.95%
2.  Sweden  56.6%
3.  Denmark  55.38
4.  Holland 52%
5.  Belgium  50%
6.  Austria  50%
7.  Japan  50%
8.  United Kingdom  50%
9.  Finland  49.2%
10.  Ireland  48%

In the United States, the richest of the rich pay 39.6% to the federal government and applicable state taxes, which they ALL have accountants to get out of since we have the most ludicrous tax code in the world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates


Furthermore, taxes in the United States are currently at their lowest rate since the Truman administration.

But I guess because Trump said it, it must be true.  :facepalm:


NO MORE BULLSHIT




We were discussing "corporate tax rates" which yes the US has the highest in the world,

Sorry I forgot liberals have barely second grade reading comprehension

For two, why the fuck should anyone even have to come close to giving over half their income in taxes to govt? That's insulting

Fuck socialism

America just rejected YOUR BULLSHIT


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927484 - 12/14/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My mom paid almost 50% income tax.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23927488 - 12/14/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My mom paid almost 50% income tax.




That's disgusting,

Most Americans I know work very hard, the idea we have to give half to govt infuriates me


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
    #23927498 - 12/14/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

As I look back at the thread, it's not at all clear you were talking about the corporate tax.  Sudly mentioned income taxes and bank taxes.  So, I dunno.

Moreover, I was not advocating that higher tax rates are a good or necessary thing, as you weirdly interpreted.  I wasn't listing those rates because I support them; I was listing them to show that we do not in fact have the highest taxes in the world.

That's enough of a waste of my time.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927500 - 12/14/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That is what she said.  She was in a higher tax bracket with no kids at home.  Got double taxed because her employer was in another area than her residence.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23927580 - 12/14/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That is what she said.  She was in a higher tax bracket with no kids at home.  Got double taxed because her employer was in another area than her residence.




I've heard of this where live as well, people who come to work habe to pay tax in this state as well as the one they reside in.

Thats total BS, either tax them in one state or the other, how is taxing them in both even remotely fair?


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23927624 - 12/14/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's not like they get a whole lot of services where they work.

Thank the geniuses that plan for all of us.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23928622 - 12/15/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It's not like they get a whole lot of services where they work.

Thank the geniuses that plan for all of us.




This is true, they use services where they work And where they reside.

So traveling out of state for work is punished

More proof the govt wants us dependent rather than self sufficient,

Why the fuck do people keep voting for big govt,?


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23928688 - 12/15/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why do people constantly want to piss off the super rich? They gave you jobs, they gave you products, they gave you tax money, they gave you innovation and somehow they should not be left alone.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: Patlal]
    #23928769 - 12/15/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We do not have a lot of choices for what we vote for.  We elect people that never fully work in our favor.  I am just getting more politically aware and most of it takes research cause the news doesn't share much at all.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23928858 - 12/15/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So it would be like USSR?

Yeah fuck that, fuck communism, and fuck people that push this retarded shit




But but.. free money? Single mother victimhood? &&& participation ribbons.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23929962 - 12/15/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why does anyone even respond to that 'hostiletroll'..
I don't know what he's responded but it seems as silly as ever.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23930031 - 12/15/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My mom paid almost 50% income tax.




That's disgusting,

Most Americans I know work very hard, the idea we have to give half to govt infuriates me




If you are familiar with the history of Rome, it is actually amazing what they paid for taxes. 2 days was their taxes. Compare that to the horse shit we have here.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: sudly]
    #23930035 - 12/15/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why does anyone even respond to that 'hostiletroll'..
I don't know what he's responded but it seems as silly as ever.




Probably a case of your low testosterone and iQ. Wait wut?


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23930070 - 12/15/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do people constantly want to piss off the super rich? They gave you jobs, they gave you products, they gave you tax money, they gave you innovation and somehow they should not be left alone.



No rich equals no poor. That's why.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: pineninja] * 2
    #23930087 - 12/15/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Because the rich often abuse their power.
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"Over the last 25 years there has been a massive transfer of wealth in the US from the middle class of America to the top 1/10th of 1%.
In other words the middle class has shrunk and trillions of dollars have gone to the top one tenth of 1%. - Bernie Sanders




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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: sudly]
    #23930572 - 12/15/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Because the rich often abuse their power.
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"Over the last 25 years there has been a massive transfer of wealth in the US from the middle class of America to the top 1/10th of 1%.
In other words the middle class has shrunk and trillions of dollars have gone to the top one tenth of 1%. - Bernie Sanders







Bernice thinks that taxing the rich will make poor people rich

Kindergarteners know better

You and him can go pound sand


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23935040 - 12/17/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Because the rich often abuse their power.
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"Over the last 25 years there has been a massive transfer of wealth in the US from the middle class of America to the top 1/10th of 1%.
In other words the middle class has shrunk and trillions of dollars have gone to the top one tenth of 1%. - Bernie Sanders







Bernice thinks that taxing the rich will make poor people rich

Kindergarteners know better

You and him can go pound sand




Some skank was ranting about the rich should have a 99% tax. Clearly, she has no understanding of economics.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23935185 - 12/17/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do people constantly want to piss off the super rich? They gave you jobs, they gave you products, they gave you tax money, they gave you innovation and somehow they should not be left alone.




i love the goods and services that businesses provide. but american businesses do not contribute nearly enough to the society that allows them to exist. while it's true that businesses provide jobs, most of those jobs are are insufficient in providing workers the means to climb the economic ladder, which, by the way, i'll add is the point of working. as far as taxes go, large corporations are taxed on a very small portion of their wealth due to loopholes in our policies that they put there. that's great for business elites, who get to keep that money that would otherwise be taxed, but not so great for everyone else.

to op's point - i believe that we will eventually move past capitalism into something like pure communism. for now though, i think we could have a form of capitalism that prioritizes the planet and a vast majority of its people over the interest of a handful of business elites. what's more, we're going to have to change our priorities or else we could be facing a prolonged period of civil unrest and terror at the global level (providing that we don't utterly ruin the environment along the way).

perhaps more importantly, we would also do well to abandon the assumption that our society requires winners and losers in order to be just. to me, that is a more fundamental and more perplexing problem than our current distribution of wealth. why do we have losers at all? i get why a few people want to hoard all of the money. but the fact that anyone in america - a country with unprecedented wealth - has to worry about having clean water to drink, food to eat and a roof over their heads is absolutely mind blowing. doing away with applying this ridiculous law of the jungle to the most vulnerable human beings in our society would be another huge step in the right direction, and it's a step that we're going to have to eventually take anyway if we are to ever move past capitalism.

and to the doubters who think capitalism will reign forever, i have two words for you: space colonization. capitalism in its current form is just not going to work with establishing entire populations on other worlds within our solar system. it won't even get us off the ground.


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Re: The Zeitgeist movement. [Re: millzy]
    #23935279 - 12/17/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do people constantly want to piss off the super rich? They gave you jobs, they gave you products, they gave you tax money, they gave you innovation and somehow they should not be left alone.




i love the goods and services that businesses provide. but american businesses do not contribute nearly enough to the society that allows them to exist. while it's true that businesses provide jobs, most of those jobs are are insufficient in providing workers the means to climb the economic ladder, which, by the way, i'll add is the point of working. as far as taxes go, large corporations are taxed on a very small portion of their wealth due to loopholes in our policies that they put there. that's great for business elites, who get to keep that money that would otherwise be taxed, but not so great for everyone else.





99.7% of business in America are small or medium sized. They get taxed 35% by the government. The loopholes affect the gigantic corporation which is 0.3%. If you cut the corporate taxxe rate, these smallbusinesses will actually be able to hire the help they desperately need to grow. The owner can't every everything with a handful of employees if he wants to become a bigger business one day. The government is crushing entrepreneurs and business owners.

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perhaps more importantly, we would also do well to abandon the assumption that our society requires winners and losers in order to be just. to me, that is a more fundamental and more perplexing problem than our current distribution of wealth. why do we have losers at all?




Society doesn't need losers, you're right. Losers happen because some people go after the win. If someone is chasing something and you don't, you're making yourself a loser. Don't blame the guy trying to make his dreams come true. There's no such thing as equality or fairness even when forced upon people.


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