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JohnnieYen
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scary DMT story
#23925704 - 12/14/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So last night I was smoking a joint when my roommate came home. I could tell right away he was under the influence of cocaine and alcohol. He has been on a self destructive path recently and uses cocaine as a means of escape. We were talking about his demons and he mentioned coming to an aya ceremony with a group I have been involved in for the past 3 years.
I thought maybe a DMT journey would give him some insight or maybe a reset. I offered and he accepted. So I got him to relax and prepared the hit. He took it and I left the room momentarily to put stuff away and give him some time alone.
Not even 20 seconds later I heard a bang, so I rushed upstairs and he had kicked the table over and was kind of flailing around. Not quite a seizure but jerky movements, also he was making choking sounds but still breathing. So I made sure his head was forward, monitored his breathing and made sure he didn't choke. After about 10 minutes he calmed down but was still out of it. He came to after 20 minutes and was pretty confused. I asked him if he remembered anything but he said he didn't. He wasn't mad, he actually thanked me but fuck, I almost called the ambulance when I thought he wasn't breathing.
I've done DMT quite a few times, as well as preparing it for friends and i've never seen a reaction like this. I know my own limits but I can't use my boundaries as a baseline for others. Never again will I give someone DMT that is drunk or high. I was hoping to give him some insight or lesson, but it was I who got the lesson that night.
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larry.fisherman
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Maybe he was reacting that way because he was in ego death and he was unsure of his body/got scared? The feeling of not being able to feel yourself breathing is not one that everyone is alwways going to be comfortable with. I've trripped hundreds of times and I still feel a little off about how it effects your breathing or heart rate.
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JohnnieYen
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he was not in his body, eyes rolled in the back of his head. I picked him up after he slid of the couch and he was total dead weight. I kept his head elevated and held his hand until he came out of it. I was hoping he would have some insights but he just blacked out. Was his first time on DMT
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teenagehippie
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You gave him DMT after him being on coke and alcohol?
Or a different night?
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JohnnieYen
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same night. In retrospect it was a horrible idea. But the fact that he was talking about his demons and wanting to change his life, I wanted to shake things up for him.
I think it was influenced by an experience I gave to my brother in law. He was stabbed 5 years prior and was always angry and bitter. Never had a significant relationship since the stabbing and wanted a change. He was drunk that night too (new years) and that experience changed him completely. He saw entities and guided him to see things in a new light. Found his now fiance a month later, changed jobs to one he loves and lost the anger and revenge seeking attitude. He still credits that night as a turning point in his life.
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MinnesnowtaNice
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Yea you shouldn't be combining cocaine and alcholhol to begin with.
I don't understand how someone could "leave the room" after a hit of DMT even a small one.
I can barely move when I do it.
Not surprising that happend you shouldn't mix a powerful hallucinogenic with cocaine. Ever lol
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JohnnieYen
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In my experience people who use cocaine combine it with alcohol every time. Alcohol is usually the trigger to get cocaine.
And I was the one who left the room momentarily. He was on the couch but when he went into spasms, he kicked over the small coffee table and was sliding off the couch.
And yes, first and last time dosing someone who was already heavily influenced. Even though my intentions were noble, the timing was wrong.
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Fucking shit man, I'm glad he's okay...
except for giving him the DMT all your course of action is actually exactly what you're supposed to do.. so props for that, don't take it for granted.. lot's of people wouldn't know what to do and freak out call an ambulance and just make everything worse.
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Yea you shouldn't be combining cocaine and alcholhol to begin with.
I don't understand how someone could "leave the room" after a hit of DMT even a small one.
I can barely move when I do it.
Not surprising that happend you shouldn't mix a powerful hallucinogenic with cocaine. Ever lol
As OP said he left the room, not his friend. I am generally pretty coherent, aware, and able until about 20-30mg or so, though maybe less if I held it in long enough to ghost it. I remember once I smoked about 30-40mg it seemed like (only time I didn't weigh it, but it was everything I had left). The tv was on and it kept skipping around and kind of talking to me/narrating my thoughts (very very weird and intriguing), no particular visuals that stood out, but it was kind of like reality was jumping around or something, it's hard to explain. Right during the peak though despite all that I stood up and walked over to do something on the computer, I can't remember what, but I was fully able to do w/e it was, I likely seemed a bit off if someone were to have interacted with me, though maybe not even.
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openmind
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JohnnieYen said: ....Not even 20 seconds later I heard a bang, so I rushed upstairs and he had kicked the table over and was kind of flailing around. Not quite a seizure but jerky movements, also he was making choking sounds but still breathing.....
I've experienced similar things one time, have witnessed this happen to others a couple times, and have heard a handful of stories of similar happenings over the years....
...when it happened to me, I pretty much blacked out immediately after I exhaled the hit (took around 60mg off a dab nail, got all 60mg into vapor and into my lungs with one single inhalation). I don't remember anything but tiny fragments of the experience, then when I slowly started to "came back" I noticed my body was rolling around and my legs & arms were flailing about in random movements with out my control, and all sorts of glossolalia and stuff was pouring out of my mouth with out my control.
People don't always remain seated, silent, and calm when it comes to smoked DMT .....
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Yea you shouldn't be combining cocaine and alcholhol to begin with.
Not surprising that happend you shouldn't mix a powerful hallucinogenic with cocaine. Ever lol
You got to be kidding about this. A good thing and a good thing make a good thing.
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Get Shwifty
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My friend requested to smoke DMT for the first time when he was fairly drunk.
He hated it, he just flailed around and yelled for help.
Don't mix heavy alcohol and psychedelics, pals.
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Re: scary DMT story [Re: openmind]
#23927928 - 12/14/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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openmind said:
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JohnnieYen said: ....Not even 20 seconds later I heard a bang, so I rushed upstairs and he had kicked the table over and was kind of flailing around. Not quite a seizure but jerky movements, also he was making choking sounds but still breathing.....
I've experienced similar things one time, have witnessed this happen to others a couple times, and have heard a handful of stories of similar happenings over the years....
...when it happened to me, I pretty much blacked out immediately after I exhaled the hit (took around 60mg off a dab nail, got all 60mg into vapor and into my lungs with one single inhalation). I don't remember anything but tiny fragments of the experience, then when I slowly started to "came back" I noticed my body was rolling around and my legs & arms were flailing about in random movements with out my control, and all sorts of glossolalia and stuff was pouring out of my mouth with out my control.
People don't always remain seated, silent, and calm when it comes to smoked DMT .....
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Yeah I've read a lot of stories about this happening and seen it happen to my girlfriend. Crazy shit.
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Re: scary DMT story [Re: Kinshino]
#23928028 - 12/14/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DMT forms an intense synergy with whichever substance you are consuming it with.
DMT and cocaine is one of the wildest combinations in my opinion. I have seen a friend freak out and I myself had an experience once where I literally couldn't talk for a half hour after the trip and it was one of the hardest trips I have had.
Also, uncontrollable movements/repeated sounds and words are by no means uncommon experiences on DMT.
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pineninja
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Get Shwifty said: My friend requested to smoke DMT for the first time when he was fairly drunk.
He hated it, he just flailed around and yelled for help.
Don't mix heavy alcohol and psychedelics, pals.
You only have to learn this lesson once.
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Stromrider
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I've quit giving people dmt all together. I've just had too many get weird on me.
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wolf8312
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Yeah I wouldnt give it to anyone either. At the end of the day if anything bad happens you are responsible. Why put yourself in that position?
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Re: scary DMT story [Re: wolf8312]
#23928208 - 12/15/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DMT after coke and booze? Really bad idea.
I'd be careful with that stuff offering it to others. I do believe in spreading the word, but the approach must be totally different.
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Yeah I think you handled the situation correctly all apart from the giving it to him while he was fucked up in the first place.
Never done DMT myself but I can imagine it doesn't mix particularly well with coke and alcohol, especially for someones first experience of it.
I can picture wanting to give in to hyperspace but being too busy pranging out at your intense heart rate and/or the spins to actually let go.
Also remember drugs are generally NEVER a one key fits-all sitation. Just because it worked out alright for your brother doesn't mean it's a tested method.
If he's still willing to explore his issues try a low dose of shrooms in a correct setting and approach the subject slowly. Hitting DMT and expecting to come out the other side a changed person for the better is naive.
Best of luck to yous.
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yogashaman21
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Don't mix heavy alcohol and psychedelics, pals.
I disagree. Usually my best experiences with cannabis herb are when I am heavily buzzed or drunk on alcohol; and cannabis is most definitely a strong psychedelic.
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JohnnieYen
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my friend is very experienced with mushrooms and drugs in general. He's 40 like me. But this was his first experience with DMT. Since the trip he has actually started to re evaluate his life and has texted me a few times thanking me for the wake up call. So maybe this might have a silver lining.
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Don't mix heavy alcohol and psychedelics, pals.
I disagree. Usually my best experiences with cannabis herb are when I am heavily buzzed or drunk on alcohol; and cannabis is most definitely a strong psychedelic.
Weed may be considered psychadelic in somenaspects, but it's not even close to the same level as a break through DMT trip. Being drunk and on cocaine is not a good idea with such a spiritual drug as DMT
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openmind
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Re: scary DMT story [Re: alexmir] 1
#23930232 - 12/15/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't mix heavy alcohol and psychedelics, pals.
I disagree. Usually my best experiences with cannabis herb are when I am heavily buzzed or drunk on alcohol; and cannabis is most definitely a strong psychedelic.
Weed may be considered psychadelic in somenaspects, but it's not even close to the same level as a break through DMT trip......
Yea I was going to say, I'm one of the few that does consider cannabis to be a mild psychedelic (at least with certain strains, or if taken orally)....but certainly no where near what I'd call a "strong psychedelic" .
yogashaman, if you consider cannabis to be a strong psychedelic, then what do you consider mushrooms, LSD, & DMT? Or do you put cannabis on par with those? Just trying to figure out what your definition of a "strong psychedelic" is, because this is the first time I've ever heard someone label cannnabis as such a thing. If you consider cannabis to be a potent psychedelic, then what do you consider to be a mild psychedelic?
I've smoked plenty of times whilst drinking over the years, and there's no particular "synergy" going on, the two together more or less just gets me "faded" and intoxicated, nothing special and certainly nothing psychedelic (though perhaps a bit dissociating)...If I smoke while heavily buzzed/intoxicated on alcohol, all that's going to happen is I'm going to get the spins, puke, then fall asleep.
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Stromrider said: I've quit giving people dmt all together. I've just had too many get weird on me.
I ran into this problem too but I think I maybe fixed the issue. I always set them up in a separate room and stress how important it is for them to remain alone and not come out until they are 100% comfortable to do so. This seems to have really helped.
Some of my friends will stay in the room for 10 mins. Some of them choose to remain in there for close to 30 mins. But so far none of them have come out weird when they decide to re-enter a social setting. And these have all been first-timers
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Why does being alone help you think? I always feel safer if I'm with someone and I find it helps to bounce thoughts off of to integrate and remember them as I come down.
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For me I always feel so emotionally vulnerable while on psychedelics which is one of the main reasons why I like to trip alone or with a very small circle of super close friends...4 people to be exact.
I dose pretty heavily so I'm not really able to talk much anyway.
Regarding the alone time on DMT, it always seemed that the people unfamiliar with it would try so hard to reinsert themselves back into a social setting after smoking it when they were clearly still fucked up. This is when the weirdness kicked in and would last for 5-10 mins.
Giving them their alone time seemed to allow them time to gather their thoughts to figure out what the fuck just happened, lose that vulnerability, and then return to the social setting with a "normal" headspace
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This sounds like the exact same story that I read over a month ago.
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