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What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms?
    #23924668 - 12/13/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes I get pretty anxious on shrooms, should I mess with DMT?


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Lucid Dreamer]
    #23924691 - 12/14/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say they are both equally likely. The bad trip depends on you not the substance. SOme people might like dmt better and have better trips on that, others might prefer mushrooms.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23924704 - 12/14/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Different for everyone, smoking DMT is like being shot in between the eyes, comparatively to taking Mushrooms. Oral DMT/Mushrooms are usually a loving, blissfully guided experience to ego dissolution, DMT is chaotic, overwhelmingly intense and fast. I prefer oral routes for obvious reasons
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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23924708 - 12/14/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Bad shroom trip lasts longer.
Dmt anxiousness is powerful but momentary.
Each is at the mercy of your headspace, only do it when you think you can.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23924820 - 12/14/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bad shroom trip lasts longer.
Dmt anxiousness is powerful but momentary.
Each is at the mercy of your headspace, only do it when you think you can.




Agreed.. You don't even have time to have a bad DMT trip to be honest..

I must be one of the lucky ones because I have never once had a bad trip or a trip I didn't feel like I was somewhat in control of..


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23924825 - 12/14/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It can happen. Control can be a double edge sword ime yes if in happy place and with a strong mind you can "control" even deep trips, but to go real deep you need to make yourself vulnerable and be prepared to allow loss of control. Just imo.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23924933 - 12/14/16 03:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You can have a bad trip sober, it's called fear/panic, so it can happen on both though arguably sometimes not when you break through.

Now, you can resolve fear by going within and embracing and feeling all your suppressed trauma and finding out who you really are (infinite non-personal blissful awareness), eastern religions teach on this also.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23925157 - 12/14/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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DMT is like being shot in between the eyes



a meltdown, bad mushroom trip is like being strung up by your feet and being bled out drop by drop to death, the duration of mushrooms (vs. smoked DMT) can make it "a worse trip' i'd think.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #23925163 - 12/14/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The realism of DMT is very consistent compared to shrooms, in that sense a bad trip is more often more intense than what mushrooms would deliver, in which a bad trip is usually more to do with your headspace. I would actually say a bad trip with DMT is worse because smoked DMT doesn't have a euphoric element. Atleast with shrooms you might be hit with a wave and move on, DMT is straight terror until it's over, which can feel like just as much time as a mushroom trip.. I can't speak for oral DMT though, and if I could I guarantee it would make a bad shroom trip it's bitch.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23925192 - 12/14/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Both are pretty rough, psychedelics. Thats the tryptamine experience bro. They are both harsher than LSD or LSA ime.

DMT is more overwhelming but impersonal imo if that makes sense. Shrooms are more personal. They make me scared of life aswell as physically uncomfortable and overwhelmed

DMT is mostly just very very overwhelming and its pretty uncomfortable too.

So to sum it up shrooms are overwhelming, scary and uncomfortable

DMT is mostly overhwelming and its a bit uncomfortable.

By uncomfortable i mean the body load by overwhelming i mean the amount of energy you feel. They are related for sure but i differentiate between them because i feel like thats the best explanation.

I hope you understand what i mean.

If you want a smoorh ridr id recomend lysergamides. LSD is great. I like the scary, overwhelming tryptamines though they are more meaningful. Not to say that LSD is not meaningful or that you cant have a rough trip on it.

Ive never broken through on DMT though so i bet it is less overwhelming and more profound once you break through.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23925242 - 12/14/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have hard to handle shroom trips at least half of the time if not more. And I've never had a "bad" dmt trip. I've been terribly overwhelmed multiple times.

The shroom trip lasts longer if it's bad
But dmt has the ability to make you think just your trapped in another dimension for eternity


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23926423 - 12/14/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The realism of DMT is very consistent compared to shrooms, in that sense a bad trip is more often more intense than what mushrooms would deliver, in which a bad trip is usually more to do with your headspace. I would actually say a bad trip with DMT is worse because smoked DMT doesn't have a euphoric element. Atleast with shrooms you might be hit with a wave and move on, DMT is straight terror until it's over, which can feel like just as much time as a mushroom trip.. I can't speak for oral DMT though, and if I could I guarantee it would make a bad shroom trip it's bitch.



I get euphoric feeling on smoked dmt.:shrug:.... caveat is I've only ever had difficult moments,  never wholly bad trips.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23926438 - 12/14/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The dmt I got was good and I never had a problem.  Make sure you get good dmt.  Ask the dealer if you feel like it.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23926470 - 12/14/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Are we talking dealer dmt and dealer shrooms? Cause dealer shrooms are intense.
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Both are pretty rough, psychedelics. Thats the tryptamine experience bro. They are both harsher than LSD or LSA ime.

DMT is more overwhelming but impersonal imo if that makes sense. Shrooms are more personal. They make me scared of life aswell as physically uncomfortable and overwhelmed

DMT is mostly just very very overwhelming and its pretty uncomfortable too.

So to sum it up shrooms are overwhelming, scary and uncomfortable

DMT is mostly overhwelming and its a bit uncomfortable.

By uncomfortable i mean the body load by overwhelming i mean the amount of energy you feel. They are related for sure but i differentiate between them because i feel like thats the best explanation.

I hope you understand what i mean.

If you want a smoorh ridr id recomend lysergamides. LSD is great. I like the scary, overwhelming tryptamines though they are more meaningful. Not to say that LSD is not meaningful or that you cant have a rough trip on it.

Ive never broken through on DMT though so i bet it is less overwhelming and more profound once you break through.




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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23926473 - 12/14/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23926630 - 12/14/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shrooms have always been comfortable for me, even in higher doses, they are always euphoric, blissful and guided journeys. Bad mushrooms trips aren't nearly as bad as a bad DMT trip imo. I've only had bad experiences with DMT, and has been the opposite of mushrooms for me anything but comfortable, unguided, overwhelming and chaotic. I've tried to break through but I can't seem to surrender to its overwhelming intensity, I always get trapped in fear. Even @ 5mg :lol:


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23926655 - 12/14/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You've just got to take the ride, knowing that it's safe and you will come out on the other side.
Dmt can freak you the fuck out if you try and keep your eyes open shit just doesn't make sense....if you close your eyes you're  transported to a place where confusion no longer exists. That fear is unwarranted and Is holding you back from a wonderful experience and one that you can step into and out off so quickly that makes shrooms ime seem like much more of a commitment.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #23926756 - 12/14/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Knowing that it's safe when you feel like you're dying is a hard thing to do. I had my eyes shut on 40mg and began to go through a portal but the body load was too overwhelmingly intense and unenjoyable fight or flight response triggers, even at 5mg it's just as bad. I simply can't break through unless I vape 60+mg to override my fight or flight response? I thought 40 would do, but it left me with a terrorizing hellish experience that will make me fearful to return for a good few years :lol:


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23926805 - 12/14/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tis a pity.... we all have our kryptonite.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23926837 - 12/14/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23926869 - 12/14/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Surrendering to death is different on smoked DMT.. than it is on Mushrooms where you can't even feel yourself die, if you can you are bombarded in Love and Bliss - it takes a proper mindstate with DMT, because it happens so instantly and isn't guided in anyway, you have to guide yourself. It takes skill, I most likely will return to DMT at some point for a breakthrough, but for now, I learn from my mistakes, and know what I'm getting into next time I await its call. Really just the loss of breath, and heart rate is what threw me off - next blast I will be expecting to let go of these things, it takes a preparation that you can't be prepared for before trying it, and sadly I was caught off guard and panicked. I am better prepared now, and won't give into fear next blast. I know I will be ok.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23926902 - 12/14/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its always going to be rather shocking when going from zero too 100 and ime it's always seemed more gentle when over the peak from either L or shroom trips ie going from 50 to 100. After your first good experience on it you will never look back.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #23926912 - 12/14/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly my plan, I know what happens now, so my mindstate is much better, it would have to be the tail end of a Mushroom or L trip. Or on a day im feeling particularly in tune, like I said, who knows when that will be. :lol:


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23926914 - 12/14/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"it takes a preparation that you can't be prepared for before trying it," this.:thumbup:


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23926922 - 12/14/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I will also focus more inwards, it seems it would make sense to follow the visuals as a guide kind of, and focus on breath.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23926944 - 12/14/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just relax, just relax, just relax the first 20 30 seconds is the most difficult bit, depending on dose this is the smashing through layers part, it takes a while to settle Into  the realm into which you are thrust. Try and want to hold the experience instead of wanting it over.....like you said you have to want it.


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23927446 - 12/14/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Knowing that it's safe when you feel like you're dying is a hard thing to do. I had my eyes shut on 40mg and began to go through a portal but the body load was too overwhelmingly intense and unenjoyable fight or flight response triggers, even at 5mg it's just as bad. I simply can't break through unless I vape 60+mg to override my fight or flight response? I thought 40 would do, but it left me with a terrorizing hellish experience that will make me fearful to return for a good few years :lol:





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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #23927547 - 12/14/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I cant have bad trips if I tried. Its getting rarer and rarer any dose of psychedelics freaks me out. I started using magic mushrooms at the age of 13 and since then have tried multiple heroic dosages of mushrooms as well as regular doses of LSD mushrooms DMT mescaline salvia and LSA. I have only ever experienced negative effects with mushrooms and that's only from my very first dose. It really is about how well you know the effects of psychedelics because the negative stuff is only negative because it is frightening mostly because it seems so unreal you get these thoughts that you've died or are stuck or something but I've done enough now that I learned to just grit my teeth and proceed with the trip. The real key for high doses is to sort of meditate and try and be absent of thought. Its really the running thoughts that cause bad trips now I cant have bad trips anymore because I've learned to be absent of thought when peaking :frown:. I actually enjoy the occasional bad trip throwing mind off the deep end is always fun.
However DMT has never giving me a bad trip just one bad experience where I was flipped off before entering hyperspace it was weird I saw a middle finger come spiraling out of the wall then I broke through into a light beam based reality.  To this day that trip bothered me I cant figure out why I was flipped off my theory is because when I freebased my DMT I added a NP solvent and slept with the jars (to keep them warm for max DMT) but I think me sleeping with my DMT and warming it with my body heat might have made it angry somehow :shrug: at least that's the only reasonable explanation for why it flipped me off(I also used ancient salt for it because it was a ATB and I used Himalayan pink salt which is millions and millions of years old) I figured it make the DMT more cool but it had the opposite effect.
LSD has never given me a bad trip its my utmost favorite entheogen. I find LSD to be much more mellow but in other ways much more powerful than shrooms. LSD is almost predictable shrooms rarely are. If it wasn't for LSD I never would have been able to stop smoking weed for my year of probation it really did help. LSD makes me contemplate my life in ways I would never understand without LSD. Last friday I did 300mg of MDMA with 6 tabs of very weak LSD and I started thinking about my use of cannabis and I started thinking about all the money I was wasting and I started thinking about quitting weed. I found it ironic that LSD and MDMA could make me think about things in a new light because he government refuses to accept that they have medical value even though I found it to be shedding light into areas of my life and it made me think about things in a different perspective. I didn't stop smoking weed but I think I might. I kept thinking to myself "god it would be funny to do all these drugs and then quit drugs it would fuck up there theory on addiction and the drug scheduling. I pictured it and I wanted it to be true not because I don't like weed (I do) but because I could actually tell the DEA to go fuck itself for a minute. How funny would that be doing LSD MDMA and it makes me quit weed they would have nothing to bitch about and it would ruin their policy. The more I thought about it the more I wanted to quit weed after all they complain about weed and if LSD and MDMA made me just stop doing it then they would have nothing to complain about. Im actually going to stop smoking weed for a little bit because of that. Im not going to smoke anymore weed for probably a month. This might be how we can finally get it legalized. And they can't talk shit if MDMA and LSD causes me stop smoking weed then obviously MDMA and LSD can be used to fight addiction and they can stop being such a bunch of dicktards about it. 
Anyhow bad trips are most common with high doses just dont do a super high dose and you should be fine. Sorry for rambling a bit  :iloveyou:


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: Wu-tang]
    #23927755 - 12/14/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: pineninja]
    #23933258 - 12/16/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think its solely on the person and mindset of oneself


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: tripo3]
    #23933581 - 12/16/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone is different. As for me I never have a bad trip no matter what it is. I used to always make sure I was in a good state of mind. But now 20 years later I find that tripping also helps when I am depressed, even during the times I feel like no hope in my life is left and am very suicidal. All experiences I have had are positive, even if something during a trip did seem hairy at the time it has always helped and I learned from it.

I've tripped with people who had bad trips back in the day and that sucks. You try to keep your shit together well enough to take care of someone else and nothing you do can help them. That is why I pretty much fly solo now


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Re: What's more likely to cause a bad trip, Dmt or Shrooms? [Re: tripo3]
    #23933585 - 12/16/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont buy it.  Bad trips?  Why because you came into contact with fear or maybe even terror?


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