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fallinin
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Mushrooms not fruiting through soil
#23923838 - 12/13/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is my first time growing and I am using a commercial cubensis kit. I followed the instructions perfectly and saw good mycelium growth on top of the soil and it started to pin, then aborted.
I came to this board and heard about FAE, which the instructions said not to do, and I started to fan the mycelium and drilled quite a few holes. Immediately 3 mushrooms sprang up but no more. then another next week, and 2 more this week . They all sprang up from the sides and from the substrate layer instead of the casing soil layer. is there any reason for there being such a long time between the fruits and why there are so few? here's a pic of my tub

I recently bought a hygrometer to keep an eye on the humidity stays at 99% and hasn't gone down in the past 5 days and there are constant evaporation rings around the holes without any misting and 2-3 daily fannings. I read on another thread here it should be between 80-90% so I dont know if i should drill more holes to drop the humidity. the temperature stays around 22-25c (72-77f) which I'm pretty sure is fine
And then i noticed theses growths
  looking at the contamination forum I think they're Coprinus fruit bodies but it's hard to tell. and a little annoying they're growing better than my cubensis.
Does anyone have any tips on where to go from here? should i drill more holes to drop the humidity or just keep doing what I'm doing? and how should I best deal with this growth?
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: fallinin]
#23924132 - 12/13/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm betting it's dry. I see no condensation and you say they're only fruiting from the sides and sparingly. Give it a good misting and then just leave it alone for a week, don't fan it, don't mist it. If it is really dry you can dunk it. Did you stuff those holes yourself? Maybe they're not tight enough and it's getting too much FAE and drying out.
Edit: And those holes are not very well designed for good FAE. You should have a few at the bottom packed tightly to allow air in and then some looser at the top to exhaust. The difference in tightness and humidity creates the airflow. Condensation is not a must, but with all of those holes all over the place it's probably just too and/or the humidity is too low.
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fallinin
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: krypto2000]
#23924226 - 12/13/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I'm betting it's dry. I see no condensation and you say they're only fruiting from the sides and sparingly. Give it a good misting and then just leave it alone for a week, don't fan it, don't mist it. If it is really dry you can dunk it. Did you stuff those holes yourself? Maybe they're not tight enough and it's getting too much FAE and drying out.
Edit: And those holes are not very well designed for good FAE. You should have a few at the bottom packed tightly to allow air in and then some looser at the top to exhaust. The difference in tightness and humidity creates the airflow. Condensation is not a must, but with all of those holes all over the place it's probably just too and/or the humidity is too low.
Actually there's plenty of condensation on the actual mycelium. Only the area with the strange growth is dryish. The humidity is always at 99%
  I respread the dirt after plucking the first couple mushrooms and then the myc never grew through the soil afterwards.
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: fallinin]
#23924279 - 12/13/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't trust the humidity meter, but regardless if it's not humidity then I think you just need to be patient. That weird growth looks like pins to me, I can't tell though, they're very small.
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: fallinin]
#23924483 - 12/13/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fallinin said: And then i noticed theses growths
  looking at the contamination forum I think they're Coprinus fruit bodies but it's hard to tell. and a little annoying they're growing better than my cubensis.
Yeah coprinoids of some sort.. they're much more aggressive than cubensis. This isn't going to give you anything worth keeping onto at this point..
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: Mad Season]
#23949728 - 12/22/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Got another flush on the sides this week, and one that was hidden and split its cap under the dirt.


The caprinoids also have stopped growing and from what I've read online they're not harmful.
Should I wait another week and see if i get another flush or just toss the batch? Either way I'm going to try a the cake method next time.
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: fallinin]
#23949758 - 12/22/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unless it gets a harmful contaminant, stops fruiting, or you need the space I see no reason to toss it. Are you still misting? That casing layer looks really wet, almost like mud. I don't know if it's just the pic.
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: krypto2000]
#23949794 - 12/22/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That spot i dug out a little to let those fruits to grow to the side easier and it was moist but fluffy. Here's a wider shot

I'm still misting whenever it looks dry ( about every other day)
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: fallinin]
#23949802 - 12/22/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now that picture looks like the surface is almost totally dry. I'm not sure what to think. If your tub is dried out then that's why you haven't been getting many mushrooms, besides the obvious contamination. If the tub is dry they tend to put out a few big ones here and there, mostly around the edges, but not much.
edit: If it's been going for awhile it probably is dry. You could try dunking it, pour water all over it and let it soak for a couple of hours and then pour it off. It will definitely increase your chances of contamination, but it's relatively safe and if you're debating tossing it you don't have much to lose anyway. If you haven't gotten much out of the thing you might be surprised and end up getting 2-4 ounces in a flush based on the size of that tub.
Edited by krypto2000 (12/22/16 06:17 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: krypto2000]
#23949876 - 12/22/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll let these finish growing and then try pouring some distilled water over the top to soak in. I have enough for me and my SO after these and a spore syringe on the way so not much to lose if it gets contaminated
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: fallinin]
#23949907 - 12/22/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would use tap, distilled will draw nutrients out.
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Re: Mushrooms not fruiting through soil [Re: krypto2000]
#23950174 - 12/22/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I would use tap, distilled will draw nutrients out.
ya distilled is a no go. tap water
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